Omg Lmao!!

[HumanLathe]

Arrow springs is selling a boro punty for $6.00 HAHAHHAHAHA :fired: :fired:

I know they use the boro in flameworking softglass but gimme a break !!

http://www.arrowsprings.com/html/holding_tools.html

[ShttrdSpctrm]

dam thats funny. i wonder if people buy them for that much. im gonna start sellin tapered ends. hahhahahahahahahaha

[glassblowingBiker]

hell yeh me toooo

[newmexicomagma]

u gotta be kidding me? i bet they havent sold one set.

[mer]

dude, i'm rich. i have like 10 jars of those on my bench. are they worth more if they come with a quarter inch of stringer on the end?

i'm gonna buy the moon. you're all invited to my moon party.

[LFC]

WTF that is the dumbest thing I haver ever seen, The people I know who make soft glass murrine still add clear to the end of there boro punties so that the murrine sticks to it they only use boro punties because they are less likely to shock our bend.

[phab]

....i actually saw a glass site from a link here that was selling leather elbow pads.

[ech]

You would be surprised what you can get these Gold Guilded Soccer Mom softglass bead ninnies to buy.

[Pilgrim]

hey, I'm selling predug post hole. and glass fencing nails....

[ACE]

i'm gonna buy the moon. you're all invited to my moon party.

dood. please let me come the moon party.

[harpentuan]

Are they selling quartz pontils to Boro workers for the same price hike?

[UmaJulz]

You would be surprised what you can get these Gold Guilded Soccer Mom softglass bead ninnies to buy.

Gold Guilded, huh? Guess I must be hanging with the wrong crowd- oh and Soccer Moms too, eh? Hmmm, guess I missed my calling...

man, you have a way with words...

[PyroChixRock]

You would be surprised what you can get these Gold Guilded Soccer Mom softglass bead ninnies to buy.

You do realize that this forum is called the "MELTING POT" for a reason right? We have pipemakers, soft glass blowers, glassblowers, lampworkers, bead girls (and boys), marble makers, people who fuse, stained glass people, and quartz people here. (sorry if i forgot you lol) We like it this way, and don't like you being offensive about any particular group of people being here. :twitch:

[ech]

Gold Guilded, huh? Guess I must be hanging with the wrong crowd- oh and Soccer Moms too, eh? Hmmm, guess I missed my calling...

man, you have a way with words...

I got that phrase from a lady at a bead show who was using it to describe the hobbyists that generally frequent those shows and pay exhorbitant prices for stuff. So actually I didn't come up with it.

Wow I got an infraction over this...seems like I get singled out all the time, other people say all kinds of shit on this board and no one says anything to anyone but me. I mean I've never seen anyone get an infraction over something like this. I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut for a while. Oh well, whatever.

[seadal]

Burn. It looks like you pissed one of them off.

[smutboy420]

You would be surprised what you can get these Gold Guilded Soccer Mom softglass bead ninnies to buy.


Mostly Only if your willing to take advantage of them or if your in the right clic. <-----Both of wich smutboy is not. (tho there are a few I would totaly let take advantage of me anyday. ya' gigity gigity.)

But man 6 bucks for a punty. Thats not a rip off thats rape. Or where they asking for it? No wait $6 thats rape. And shipping to oh boy.

I can't belive some of the rape that goes on in soft glass and beginers supplies. soft or boro.
Yet if your make good products and are not a rip off. And happen to go by the screen name smutboy they are scared they are going to be the first person I'm going to throw my good name away for and rip them off. LOL

I can only recall a single sale of a item to single bead maker that only does soft glass. Any other cool beader that has ever even inquired about any thing also happen to be ones I see on all the boards and here.

So places like that have to be reling on fresh victoms. Because any one that gets out ofton catches on and quicky learns were to go for what ever difrent thing they need.

I would hate it if a majority of my customer base had to ask what a punty is or how is it used. Just shoot me please. Besides I would suck at trying to sell $6 puntis when i'd be like "you don't need that just use a rod of boro."

[smutboy420]

You do realize that this forum is called the "MELTING POT" for a reason right? We have pipemakers, soft glass blowers, glassblowers, lampworkers, bead girls (and boys), marble makers, people who fuse, stained glass people, and quartz people here. (sorry if i forgot you lol) We like it this way, and don't like you being offensive about any particular group of people being here. :twitch:

I got to say because this is the melting pot that I don't ever see many "Gold Guilded Soccer Mom softglass bead ninnies" on this board ever.

I do see lots of bead makers from time to time and some might happen to be socor moms, some not. But chances are if you see them here they are at least open minded about learning about other areas of glass. Thus the "gold guilded' any things. are not realy here. or will they ever be. Cause just coming here is proof of open midededness to other forms of glass exsisting.
even if some one don't come ofton if they are even willing to if needed puts them in the "non gold gilded" class. Weather they be beaders, fusers, Slumpers, Even furnace glass and cold workers.

[PyroChixRock]

well said sweetheart! :D

[Udai Hussien]

I got that phrase from a lady at a bead show who was using it to describe the hobbyists that generally frequent those shows and pay exhorbitant prices for stuff. So actually I didn't come up with it.

Wow I got an infraction over this...seems like I get singled out all the time, other people say all kinds of shit on this board and no one says anything to anyone but me. I mean I've never seen anyone get an infraction over something like this. I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut for a while. Oh well, whatever.

Im not going to lie, I thought that shit was funny as hell

[richsantaclaus]

ech - I did take offense to your comment at first BUT you have your right to your opinion I guess. But maybe you should consider sending to your friends in a private email and NOT posting it here on the general board.

It's like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater when there is no fire. You have your right to speak but have more common sense when you do and take into consideration others feelings when you post demeaning words.

[ACE]

from what i've seen the bead ladies are the sweetest folks i've meet on here so far!

i've heard people say things before that i certainly wouldn't repeat.

just a thought....

[smutboy420]

Most of em are. And I find most that can chill here are pretty cool.

Besides its not the bead LADIES. Its the bead DUDES you got to keep and eye on. There really working an angle thinking they have an in with all the hot bead ladies. ;-) LOL LOL J/K you can't always fault a guy for trying.

[Conchis]

Well did you notice that these "puntys" are 1/2' in diameter...that's right a full half foot in diameter.....ya gotta admit.....for a 6 bucks two 6" diameter rods that are 8" long isn't that bad...and heck....it'd take ya a while to melt through that bad boy. Course....finding your piece at the end of the rod might be a bit tough as well.

[gotglass?]

yeah you don't want the BLM mad at you...... you might wake up to find the severed head of your torch lying next to you in your bed:dieslaugh

[Mike_Aurelius]

If you read the description, $6.00 is for a pair........not saying it's a good price, but at $3.00 each for a 12 mm rod, that's not too far off, considering that each one has had some labor put into it.

[ShttrdSpctrm]

Well did you notice that these "puntys" are 1/2' in diameter...that's right a full half foot in diameter......

no i didn't notice. just went back and looked, half foot in diameter, but only eight inches long. seems kinda big and short , what the hell would u use those to punty upto? six inches in diameter , who can spin that thing, its huge

[Greymatter Glass]

I think there are soccar mom soft glass bead makers - and then there _ARE_ Gold Fuilded Soccar Mom Soft glass Bead Ninnies. Calling someone out by name as the later may be grounds for an insult - but let's face it... there are plenty of holier than thou housewives whos husbands are doctors or something and all they do is ninny about making crappy little beads.

the thing is, they're "too good" for forums and they just don't have the time ti "waste" on the Internet.... so I doubt you'll find one here to even offend.

i think by the shear fact that a part time hobbiest bead maker even participates here sort of exempts them from the whole gold guilded ninny thing.

To me that implies that they are so full of themselves that they've put themselves above us, and think of anyone not like them as lesser.

of course, the same can be said of pipe makers, or widget makers.

I agree that these closeted ninny lamoers probably would pay just about anything for a tool if and when their only supplier introduces a "new" over priced tool. (because they're too important to waste time finding someone else, or looking into reality)

It's a good thing we have the GLDG because we can save a lot of these people the hassle. I'd happily give some 12mm punties to someoen visiting our shop. but the only way to know about us is to get out there....

there are just SOOOOO many bead makers that sit at home in a little bubble with a cindy jenkins book, a hot head, and some rods they bought at Hobby Lobby. They don't have a CLUE when they're doing something wrong OR right.... but if they don't really care and they just like smearing glass around and looking at the fire i say let them be.

they'll find their way here eventually or they wont. by the time they do they'll no longer be gold guilded ninnies.

That's 3¢, I wan't a penny back damnit.

-Doug

[AlivELampworK]

You would be surprised what you can get these Gold Guilded Soccer Mom softglass bead ninnies to buy.

:twitch:


Gold Guilded, huh? Guess I must be hanging with the wrong crowd- oh and Soccer Moms too, eh? Hmmm, guess I missed my calling...

man, you have a way with words...

haha julz.


You do realize that this forum is called the "MELTING POT" for a reason right? We have pipemakers, soft glass blowers, glassblowers, lampworkers, bead girls (and boys), marble makers, people who fuse, stained glass people, and quartz people here. (sorry if i forgot you lol) We like it this way, and don't like you being offensive about any particular group of people being here. :twitch:

thank you misha. well put!


yeah you don't want the BLM mad at you...... you might wake up to find the severed head of your torch lying next to you in your bed:dieslaugh

see, don't mess with the BLM. :crazy:

[paintingwithglass]

Arrow springs is selling a boro punty for $6.00 HAHAHHAHAHA :fired: :fired:

I know they use the boro in flameworking softglass but gimme a break !!

http://www.arrowsprings.com/html/holding_tools.html

Interesting...:)
If you look at Arrow Springs boro clear...it is $2.65 per rod for 11 mm, $3.54 for 1/2 inch...that is for 48 inches...a person could make 4-6 pairs of punties.

The Arrow Springs boro punties are for the novice. The person that does not know off mandrel work/boro/etc. While some beadmakers just want one pair of boro punties and some beadmakers are on small torches, ie. hotheads, where it would take a long time to melt the boro and point the ends...could be done but so many hothead users are told that they can NOT melt boro on their torch so many would not even try to attempt it.

Arrow Springs must have had a lot of requests to add these to their catalog.

[paintingwithglass]

WTF that is the dumbest thing I haver ever seen, The people I know who make soft glass murrine still add clear to the end of there boro punties so that the murrine sticks to it they only use boro punties because they are less likely to shock our bend.

Softglass murrine artists are more advanced than the population these boro punties are targeting.

Adding clear is an understatement...we add as much clear on each end that equals the length of the murrine...the clear allows (1) a transition between boro and softglass so that the boro does not embed itself into the murrine and/or thermal shock the murrine (very important if you have 20 hours into a murrine) (2) a better concise pull (3) more useable murrine to slice

Heck...I have a gigantic pile of boro punties for when I create murrine...some pointed..some flat...some with marias...so depends on the stage of murrine I am working on. I use the boro punties because they are more stable (less thermal shocking and less likely to melt)...some murrini I have to use a raging flame to get the core of the murrine heated and hot enough for pulling...if I used softglass as punties the punties would melt away and I would lose the entire piece.

:D

[paintingwithglass]

yeah you don't want the BLM mad at you...... you might wake up to find the severed head of your torch lying next to you in your bed:dieslaugh

:rollin

[skip]

If you were offended by echs statement you need to lighten up or grow some skin.

This is not wet canvas.

[Greymatter Glass]

AMEN BROTHER SKIP!

TESTIFY!

Seriously...

like...

come on.

[beadaddicts]

I got to say because this is the melting pot that I don't ever see many "Gold Guilded Soccer Mom softglass bead ninnies" on this board ever.

I do see lots of bead makers from time to time and some might happen to be socor moms, some not. But chances are if you see them here they are at least open minded about learning about other areas of glass. Thus the "gold guilded' any things. are not realy here. or will they ever be. Cause just coming here is proof of open midededness to other forms of glass exsisting.
even if some one don't come ofton if they are even willing to if needed puts them in the "non gold gilded" class. Weather they be beaders, fusers, Slumpers, Even furnace glass and cold workers.




:blowkiss: Great post, Smutboy. And good for you for proving that you're as openminded as most of us "soft glass bead ninnies"


from what i've seen the bead ladies are the sweetest folks i've meet on here so far!



Thanks, Chica!


Most of em are. And I find most that can chill here are pretty cool.

Besides its not the bead LADIES. Its the bead DUDES you got to keep and eye on. There really working an angle thinking they have an in with all the hot bead ladies. ;-) LOL LOL J/K you can't always fault a guy for trying.

hehehe....ya'll wouldn't keep calling us bead LADIES if you heard most of our conversations!!:dieslaugh


I think there are soccar mom soft glass bead makers - and then there _ARE_ Gold Fuilded Soccar Mom Soft glass Bead Ninnies. Calling someone out by name as the later may be grounds for an insult - but let's face it... there are plenty of holier than thou housewives whos husbands are doctors or something and all they do is ninny about making crappy little beads.

the thing is, they're "too good" for forums and they just don't have the time ti "waste" on the Internet.... so I doubt you'll find one here to even offend.

i think by the shear fact that a part time hobbiest bead maker even participates here sort of exempts them from the whole gold guilded ninny thing.
To me that implies that they are so full of themselves that they've put themselves above us, and think of anyone not like them as lesser. of course, the same can be said of pipe makers, or widget makers.

I agree that these closeted ninny lamoers probably would pay just about anything for a tool if and when their only supplier introduces a "new" over priced tool. (because they're too important to waste time finding someone else, or looking into reality)

It's a good thing we have the GLDG because we can save a lot of these people the hassle. I'd happily give some 12mm punties to someoen visiting our shop. but the only way to know about us is to get out there....

there are just SOOOOO many bead makers that sit at home in a little bubble with a cindy jenkins book, a hot head, and some rods they bought at Hobby Lobby. They don't have a CLUE when they're doing something wrong OR right.... but if they don't really care and they just like smearing glass around and looking at the fire i say let them be.

they'll find their way here eventually or they wont. by the time they do they'll no longer be gold guilded ninnies.

That's 3¢, I wan't a penny back damnit.

-Doug

Ya know....I actually agree with part of your post. But the areas I bolded are just the most judgemental bullshit crap I've ever read!

Could it be possible that the reason you don't see that beadmaking ninnie on the forums might be because she's a single mom, working two jobs to support the kids her deadbeat ex-husband won't help her with? Or it could be that he's a bead dude who knows exactly what kind of reception he'd get from you macho boro boys.

And to turn your own words back around on you......To me that implies that they are so full of themselves that they've put themselves above us, and think of anyone not like them as lesser.

Very few beadmakers will EVER expect you guys to show any respect for their art....and that's what it is....art. But most of us would appreciate you NOT assuming that you know anything at all about us.


If you were offended by echs statement you need to lighten up or grow some skin.

This is not wet canvas.

Which is precisely why most of us hang out here and not there. I think I've got like 20 posts at wet canvas. And I wasn't offended by echs statement....in fact I laughed my ass off! Mostly because it says a lot more about him and the peeps that defend that kind of closemindedness than it does the bead ninnies who welcome any opportunity to learn from people whose art forms are so different from ours.

[Phoenix]

I laughed, I've got the soccer games and kids- I also support my family and don't see any gold guilding (though, if someone is offering...)

I guess I've unintentionally said enough things in my life I think I'd rather let those whose feelings are hurt speak up- and I'll giggle- no harm no foul that way- everyone gets their say

And boro punties sure arent' the only thing people can price up for the time it takes to cut them- mandrels anyone?

[Phoenix]

I personally still prefer BLM :-)

[paintingwithglass]

I wasn't insulted at all (I laughed at Ech's post (I do not feel he should have an infraction either))

until I read Dwaine's last post...now I am insulted :rude:

[PyroChixRock]

I've learned a lot about glass from these girls. If you've never made a bead on a mandrel try it out, it's not as easy as these pro's make it look. I respect beads as another art form made of glass, just as I do pipes.

[PyroChixRock]

dwaine asked me to delete his last post, fay. ;)

and i guess i'll reverse ech's infraction. :twitch:

[beadaddicts]

Dang....I missed it! Sucks having to work for a living! Bwahahahaa!

[paintingwithglass]

dwaine asked me to delete his last post, fay. ;)

and i guess i'll reverse ech's infraction. :twitch:

:D

[Glacier_Arts_Studio]

i'm sure glad i didn't come up with some smart ass comment for this thread...:dieslaugh

:chilling:

[PyroChixRock]

Pretty soon I'm going to get jumped into the B.L.M. (Bead lady mafia) at Bead Camp. A week of hanging out with the BLM, they are going to have to let me join, right? :lol

[PyroChixRock]

uh oh, no one's saying anything. maybe they won't let me join after all!? *giggles*

[ShttrdSpctrm]

i'm sure glad i didn't come up with some smart ass comment for this thread...:dieslaugh

:chilling:

ya me too. im just glad to see that everyones workin it out. i hope everyone got a good laugh, i sure did. :D i have tried making beads on a mandrel, not that easy. GO BLM

[Swampy]

Dwaine you are a gentleman at heart.

much respect

[Greymatter Glass]

careful with the infractions or I'll start handing them out.... like candy. :devilish:

and beadaddicts, I think you misunderstood my post. I don't have anything against bead makers, in general.

The subject of this thread happens to be bead makers, but the same can be said of pipe makers, or any other artist or craftsperson or professional or any type.

there are people who put themselves in a bubble and convince themslevs they're better than everyone else around them, and therefore don't see the point in forums, and have no desire to share or learn. I dislike those people. I don't mean to imply that everyone who just doesn't have the time falls into the gold-guilded soccar mom bead ninny catagorey....

there are Bead makers, who come in a variety of shapes, sizes, lifestyles, and ego. most of you from the bead area fit into this catagorey. I know most of us on this side fully repsect and appreciate what you all bring to the GLDG, and i'm not being critical of you personally, or as a group, except in a postive manner if I can be.

There are bead ninnys - male and female - who are the hobbiest bead makers who earn the slightly disrespectful title of ninny mainly for their additudes that beads are superior to any other glass art and stare down their noses at pipe makers. This is an OLD conflict, and it's rare to see it come up here as most everyone here that's NOT a pipe makers understand and respect those roots of this community.

Then you have the Gold Guilded Bead Ninnies Society of America incorporated - I really don't know what being a soccar mom has to do with it, so that's out....it's a business whose sole mission is to be a negative force and bring down the quality of the community as a whole. these are the ones who stomp around bead shows and think everyone needs to look up to them, and do as they say because they're the divas of bead divas. You know a few of them I'm sure. They shun forums such as ours because we don't tow their line or put up with their bullshit. if they bother to come around at all it's just for self promotion, and never to share or converse.

All arts have these types, but this thread is about bead ninnies, not ceramic ninnies, or car ninnies, or food ninnies....


Unless someone is calling YOU a ninny i don't think you need to worry about it.... we've all got plenty of cred here against ninniship.



but it's funny how beadmakers respnd to it...

it's like their own personal N word.

-Doug

[Udai Hussien]

I wasn't insulted at all (I laughed at Ech's post (I do not feel he should have an infraction either))

until I read Dwaine's last post...now I am insulted :rude:Im insulted more, that you are insulted.

[beadaddicts]

and beadaddicts, I think you misunderstood my post. I don't have anything against bead makers, in general.


All arts have these types, but this thread is about bead ninnies, not ceramic ninnies, or car ninnies, or food ninnies....


Unless someone is calling YOU a ninny i don't think you need to worry about it.... we've all got plenty of cred here against ninniship.



but it's funny how beadmakers respnd to it...

it's like their own personal N word.

-Doug


Bwahahaha! Thanks for clarifying, Doug. I guess maybe I'm just a little touchy about it because I WAS one of those ninnies! The first two years I made beads, I had no clue there was any such thing as a glass forum of any kind! Stumbling on LE opened up a new world for me, when I found out there were more glass ho's out there besides me! LOL!

And coming over here has been a major blessing. I am NOT one of those beadmakers who turns her nose up at pipemakers. Or marble makers, or scientific glassworkers. Anyone who works glass because they LOVE glass has my respect. Hell....I wish I had the skills and equipment to make pipes. I think the wellmade ones are some of the most awesome glass art out there.

And I didn't mean to step on any toes either. It just really bothers me when I see anyone making generalizations about ANY group of people. Its just another example of biggotry. Are there beadmakers out there that I don't particularly like? Hell yeah! Are there some that I probably would have never made an effort to get to know if it weren't for the forums? Hell yeah. Has opening my mind to the different cultures and lifestyles and talents in our community expanded my mind and improved my life? A big ol' Hell Yeah. So my point was that it could happen even more if we all didn't butt heads over preconceived notions that have nothing to do with reality.

So I guess that was my long-winded way of saying sorry I jumped down your throat! :dieslaugh

[beadaddicts]

Pretty soon I'm going to get jumped into the B.L.M. (Bead lady mafia) at Bead Camp. A week of hanging out with the BLM, they are going to have to let me join, right? :lol

Oh shit! Did I forget to send your membership card?????????????:o:

[Shadow]

Just wait until I start converting some of you into the SEED BEAD MAFIA!!!!

[Shadow]

Seriously...

I love this forum... opened my eyes to a totally new world of glass... absolutely gorgeous.

While not really a beadmaker yet.... haven't touched a torch in months (I know someone is going to beat me with a wet noodle for that one) I still love glass. Weather it is beads, marbles, paperweights or pipes, I love to see it all (wishing I could have all of it but perhaps some day)

So I watch, and perhaps sometime I will have the oportunity to try some of the stuff out that you talk about.
In the mean time, about anything you want to know about little beads, let me know!!

BTW I laughed at these posts!!! :lol

[paintingwithglass]

Im insulted more, that you are insulted.

No worries Dwaine!! :)

I was probably the only one that read it before you had your post deleted.

[Breed]

i thought generalizations were one of the basics of humor?

[UmaJulz]

JFC, I thought the subject of the thread was how ArrowSprings is ripping off unsuspecting glassworkers with overpriced basic materials... hmm. Didn't think it was really directed at bead makers at all initially, that was ech's contribution.

I personally wasn't offended by the bead ninnie aspect of ech's post- hell, if I'm offended by something you'll know it. I make beads, but I sure as fuck am not a ninnie, so I know he wasn't talking about me. I just resent the implication that bead makers were being equated with the oft disdainful image of Soccer Moms and/or are Gold Guilded-having more money than sense, and are therefore guillible enough to fall for the AS overpricing bullshit. That's all it was to me, but it looks like some people took it differently.

So you all ran with it, and it sure was entertaining and rather enlightening to hear all your varying perspectives! Glad ech didn't get an infraction- not really worth all that, now was it?

Take it easy :chilling:

[HumanLathe]

JFC, I thought the subject of the thread was how ArrowSprings is ripping off unsuspecting glassworkers with overpriced basic materials... hmm. Didn't think it was really directed at bead makers at all initially


Jeeze at least some one saw that hahah, "OMG LMAO","Arrow springs is selling a boro punty for $6.00 HAHAHHAHAHA ". I guess this just shows sometimes people may only catch the heated parts of the actual thread rather than respond to what the thread was titled, but in a way you can also see if there was a conversation going on, the topic might sway a bit throughout the pages that unfold. But to say , " the original topic was about bead ladies is just incorrect.:D

[UmaJulz]

yeah, that is just f'uh up man... :chilling:


I am soooo laughing my ass off over this, even though I know that a lot of people aren't...so soo sooorrryy!

[AlivELampworK]

I am NOT one of those beadmakers who turns her nose up at pipemakers. Or marble makers, or scientific glassworkers. Anyone who works glass because they LOVE glass has my respect.


i think thats how most of the bead ladies that hang out on this forum feel. but there are beadmakers who think they are better than everyone.. just how it is in any other form of glassworking. or anything for that matter.

thank you for including the scientific glassworker. ;)


I make beads, but I sure as fuck am not a ninnie, so I know he wasn't talking about me. I just resent the implication that bead makers were being equated with the oft disdainful image of Soccer Moms and/or are Gold Guilded-having more money than sense, and are therefore guillible enough to fall for the AS overpricing bullshit. That's all it was to me, but it looks like some people took it differently.

julz i love you. lol well said!

[UmaJulz]

Ali, you're a sweetheart, and you kick ass with glass!

Can't wait to meet you at one of these events, one of these days.

[Chase Designs]

Bead Ninnie LMAO!

[Micah Evans]

well, one thing I know....you beaders sure do know how to use the ol quote button now don't ya?

nice to see more and more of ya come out from the shadows

[Suz]

....i actually saw a glass site from a link here that was selling leather elbow pads.
They are for the Creation Station armrests - they are not as 'random' as they appear.

[Pilgrim]

lol

[Suz]

Bwahahaha
And I didn't mean to step on any toes either. It just really bothers me when I see anyone making generalizations about ANY group of people. Its just another example of biggotry. Are there beadmakers out there that I don't particularly like? Hell yeah! Are there some that I probably would have never made an effort to get to know if it weren't for the forums? Hell yeah. Has opening my mind to the different cultures and lifestyles and talents in our community expanded my mind and improved my life? A big ol' Hell Yeah. So my point was that it could happen even more if we all didn't butt heads over preconceived notions that have nothing to do with reality.

So I guess that was my long-winded way of saying sorry I jumped down your throat! :dieslaugh
yes, its the generalisations that are annoying... I would imagine most beadmakers dont fit into a nice little mould that you can classify that easily.

[Suz]

well, one thing I know....you beaders sure do know how to use the ol quote button now don't ya?

nice to see more and more of ya come out from the shadows
nothing like calling us ninnies to get us out of the woodwork :D

[newmexicomagma]

THEYRE EVERYWHERE!!!!:help:

[phab]

They are for the Creation Station armrests - they are not as 'random' as they appear.


....yeah well im waiting for that D.O.T. approved glass blowers helmet to hit the market. cant ever be too safe.

[AlivELampworK]

LOL! this is ridiculous! you guys are funny.

[Mr. Whale dick]

hehehe....ya'll wouldn't keep calling us bead LADIES if you heard most of our conversations!!


so bead whores then????:bouncy:


(sorry i had to, to good of a chance to pass up)

[Udai Hussien]

....yeah well im waiting for that D.O.T. approved glass blowers helmet to hit the market. cant ever be too safe.

we are still working on them, here is our model sporting our prototype

[phab]

...haha yeah lookin good. im thinking of just a wee bit more protection, those darn hotheads can put out some blazing radiant heat.

http://clivedavis.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/helmet.jpg

[AlivELampworK]

aw snap! a burn to the hothead! haha

[Danjeezy]

Is it me or do beadmakers look down on pipemakers (in general)? Obviously there are exceptions (angie-beadaddicts) for example but I sware I have recieved the ole nose in the air attitude several times and its not like I strictly make pipes or anything. I do find it kind of amusing that beadmakers rarely post on this forum (unless insulted apparently) but do hang around to soak up all the useful info. Obviously, the reverse could be stated as well (that pipemakers look down on beadmakers,hence the ninnys comment) but personally I would like to see people being judged on their character and not what glass object they make. People deserve the respect that they give in return. I'm sick of pipemakers being the punching bag of the glass community. If this truly is a melting pot of a forum then I think we should see people from all walks of the glass community contributing to the discussion. Please dont get offended from my post, as this is not my intention, but rather I am just trying to get some issues raised and dialogue flowing.

[PyroChixRock]

a bunch of these girls DO contribute, all over this forum. Pay closer attention. They aren't here just soaking up information.

[Shadow]

Well I do feel strange reading your posts actually. You talk about all sorts of boro stuff , techniques, colors, spoons, pipes.... etc... and you know what??

I get lost looking up the things you talk about. One of these days, I will know more about the hard glass and hang out with you guys more, when i can contribute sensibily to the conversation. I do know that you would not intentionally make my uncomfortable, But I might annoy you with all of my questions :D

[HumanLathe]

Well I do feel strange reading your posts actually. You talk about all sorts of boro stuff , techniques, colors, spoons, pipes.... etc... and you know what??

I get lost looking up the things you talk about. One of these days, I will know more about the hard glass and hang out with you guys more, when i can contribute sensibily to the conversation. I do know that you would not intentionally make my uncomfortable, But I might annoy you with all of my questions :D


Well I commend you for using the search button :chilling:

[HumanLathe]

I mean I know most retarded pipers wont use the search button they are too stoned and lazy to find out for them selves they wold rather have someone waste there time telling them something that has been explained 500 times

[beadaddicts]

so bead whores then????:bouncy:


(sorry i had to, to good of a chance to pass up)

Not the slam you might seem to think....refer to my "glass ho's" comment earlier!! Most of us glass ho's started out (and still remain) bead ho's at heart. And hey....if that's what it takes to peak someone's interest in glass, that's a good thing, right? Chances are, I would have never purchased any of the marbles or sculptural pieces that I've collected in the last couple of years if I hadn't fallen in love with lampwork beads first.


Is it me or do beadmakers look down on pipemakers (in general)? Obviously there are exceptions (angie-beadaddicts) for example but I sware I have recieved the ole nose in the air attitude several times and its not like I strictly make pipes or anything. I do find it kind of amusing that beadmakers rarely post on this forum (unless insulted apparently) but do hang around to soak up all the useful info. Obviously, the reverse could be stated as well (that pipemakers look down on beadmakers,hence the ninnys comment) but personally I would like to see people being judged on their character and not what glass object they make. People deserve the respect that they give in return. I'm sick of pipemakers being the punching bag of the glass community. If this truly is a melting pot of a forum then I think we should see people from all walks of the glass community contributing to the discussion. Please dont get offended from my post, as this is not my intention, but rather I am just trying to get some issues raised and dialogue flowing.

Well, I don't know about beadmakers looking down their noses at pipemakers. Certainly not in the crowd I hang out in, but I tend to avoid people like that in general, so maybe I just naturally steer away from anyone who would. To me, nice pipes are art. But to me, most of my beads aren't. There are two kinds of lampworkers.....artists and beadmakers. And I know perfectly well which kind I am. I see some of the work that is out there, and realize pretty quickly that I have never had a truly original thought in my life. And that's fine. The world needs both types. I sell a ton of beads, but I don't think anyone will ever mistake any of my pieces for a Jen Geldard or Kimberly Affleck or Trey Cornette. Then again, most of the clients that I cater to can't afford to pay for one of their beads, when they are perfectly comfortable purchasing a complete set of mine to make jewelry to wear or sell. Does is bother me that some of the big name beadmakers probably look down their noses at what I do? Not really. I've found my niche, and I respect my own work, so I don't necessarily look for that kind of validation from anyone else. Well, except for the mafia posse, and that's because I can trust them to tell me the truth when I'm asking for opinions about something I've made.

As for rarely posting on the forum before now, I'll fess up to being as guilty as the next bead lady of that. Wanna know why? Some of you guys can be a scary bunch! LOL! Not scary personally.....but intimidating. While you assume we are looking down at you, what you fail to realize is that some of us are so blown away by what you do, its a little daunting to jump into your threads and ask questions about things, when often times we're greeted like a bunch of first graders that haven't mastered the alphabet yet. If you really want to earn respect from peers in the glass community, don't assume that our questions and/or comments are stupid. They may be made or asked out of ignorance, but I thought the only stupid questions were the ones that were never asked. I'd love to learn more about what you guys do, but I don't wanna be talked down to in the process, anymore than you want to feel like I disrespect your art.

As for the comment in bold.....I couldn't have said that better myself.
And I'm personally thrilled to see so many people weighing in on this, and I really appreciate the thoughts and opinions, and the respectful manner in which the they are being expressed. Maybe now we won't be so apprehensive about venturing out of our little bead haven. Thanks for making us feel more welcome!! :bouncy: :blowkiss: :bouncy:

[UmaJulz]

Dan, I see by the number of posts that you have racked up, that you have been here for a while *cough* Did any of the 'bead people' here actually make any disparaging comments about you or your work here, on this forum? Are you speaking about a specific incident, or is this about "beadmakers" in general, that you might have seen in passing?

Well, Hon (you won't be offended if I call you Hon, will you? I call everyone Hon), we (the beadmakers that I know on this forum) do actually have a lot of respect for glass workers of all kinds, or else we wouldn't be here in the Melting Pot at all. We have a lot of respect for craftsmanship, skill, and artistic ability- regardless of the subject matter or form. You might not see many of the ladies out here on the outer realm because we have plenty to keep us busy elsewhere.*hint=private room* Although we are a curious bunch, not everyone feels completely comfy out here, and may not comment as they are passing through. Doesn't mean they don't like you - Hell, they may not even understand wtf you are talking about cuz your language can be quite a bit different than 'standard bead speak' LOL.

Now, about that thing about looking down the nose at each other- consider that in most segments of society there will be those who take a safety break regularly, and those who don't. Some people appreciate the importance of a break, and some don't think you should ever take a break. Just work, work, work. Of course those attitudes would also be reflected in the glass community as a whole. It is a large community with a lot of different views- don't be silly and start pigeon-holing people into the "us" and "them" thing. You read Misha's earlier post, didn't you?

You might find that there are a lot more open minded beadmakers out there than you previously thought. Some of them might even blow boro too, making sculptures and marbles, etc!

So, don't get upset, but how's the dialogue flowing for you now? Hmmmm? Cuz, really, I think we have been down this road before.

[beadaddicts]

I mean I know most retarded pipers wont use the search button they are too stoned and lazy to find out for them selves they wold rather have someone waste there time telling them something that has been explained 500 times

Now Matt.....there we go talking in generalizations again!! Shame on you!!:bangHead:

[UmaJulz]

Hey Angie! You are rockin' tonight! Nice post, great comments. Excellent dialogue, isn't it?

[beadaddicts]

Wow, Julz.....we took Danjeezy's post in two entirely different ways! I thought he was asking some really interesting questions. For one thing, I never realized that pipemakers thought beadmakers looked down on them! That was an eye opener for me. I always felt it was the other way around. If we don't ever have these discussions, stuff like that is never gonna change. I'm kinda diggin' hearing some of this from a different perspective than mine. Sorta having a "duh" moment.

[beadaddicts]

Hey Angie! You are rockin' tonight! Nice post, great comments. Excellent dialogue, isn't it?

Hell yeah! I'm not really sure why I haven't been out here more before now!!:dieslaugh

[beadaddicts]

And nobody's even yelled at me yet!! Bwahahahaha!

[UmaJulz]

Now, I don't think that was a generalization Ang, he was referring to a specific segment of society, right? Lazy and stoned! So, which one am I? Cheers!

[UmaJulz]

Maybe I have been hanging out here too much lately... *wince* I thought he sounded a little whiney... think I need to edit? :o:

However, nobody better yell at you- no reason to. You have been entirely up front and clear in your comments-very constructive. Intelligence is appreciated out here too!

[mer]

I sell a ton of beads, but I don't think anyone will ever mistake any of my pieces for a Jen Geldard or Kimberly Affleck or Trey Cornette.

i just googled these three. they are making some really cool stuff. i hadn't ever heard of them before. i like making beads but i'm just figuring it out on my own slowly between pipe orders. those guys made me want to run out to the shop and roll beads for a the whole weekend.

and you guys think you don't have anything to say here. teach me something else. please.

peace, m

[UmaJulz]

You've got the best part going for you ever, mer- curiosity and a willingness to learn. That is cool, way cool.

[beadaddicts]

Mermonkey.....those were just three examples off the top of my head. Its amazing what some beadmakers can do. To make such detail on such a small scale requires a tremendous amount of control over the glass. Couple that with the fact that the melting point and stress point of softglass is so low, and it blows my mind that some of their creations emerge from the kiln in one piece.

You should really cruise throught the gallery at LE once in awhile. There truly are as many artists in the beadmaking community as there are in the glassblowing community. Of course there are also hacks just looking to turn a buck in both.

[beadaddicts]

You've got the best part going for you ever, mer- curiosity and a willingness to learn. That is cool, way cool.

Yep.....WAY, way cool.

[β]

From the brief time i spent over at wet canvas, I always had great interactions with the bead ladys. I got more of the feeling of respect about how the pipers and such could handle the large amounts of glass and size of the torches(no comment..). And as UmaJulz said, there will always be people who don't EVER think about taking a safety break, but there is still respect for the flameworking.

[mer]

You should really cruise throught the gallery at LE once in awhile. There truly are as many artists in the beadmaking community as there are in the glassblowing community. Of course there are also hacks just looking to turn a buck in both.

i don't mean to be daft but i don't know what LE is. hook me up?

[Shadow]

You know we ALL have something to teach each other... for instance want to learn to do a simple seed bead stitch??

Here you go.... (disclaimer there might be a few typo's in there somewhere)

[Shadow]

Lampworketc.... great place to view beads and learn a lot about soft glass.

www.lampworketc.com/forums (http://www.lampworketc.com/forums)

[mer]

thanks. i'm on my way. again. hehe

[Shadow]

I fixed
try again

[glassblowingBiker]

So ill say it i have been makeing Beads off and on since Cindy J showed me the way in like 94 or 5 cant rember to long ago but took a few years off new Wife new Life found Hard glass and feel in love with Pipes and will make them tell i cant spin glass no more i still do some beads but mostly I/o beads and they are funnn to make it Floors my Mom what i can do with glass and she wants me to bust out more Art and i just tell Her pipes are art to me and a ton of other people Bead Ladies Rock ..........
I had a shop full of them when i first opened Fusion glass they came once a month it was cool ........... Im glade to see more comeing here Now Peace Jeff

[UmaJulz]

Oh and don't forget to check out the marble and boro section over there too- you might recognize some familiar names and faces. I like seeing you guys over there too!

[richsantaclaus]

Skip - you need to get a life - I never said it was Wet Canvas! My skin IS thick but being rude isn't a skin thing - it someone's choice to be rude! There is nothing funny making fun of someone else - maybe you laugh at handicapped people and make fun of them - I don't know!

[UmaJulz]

That's cool Biker- lots of opportunities to share and have a good time together. Where are you located now?

[glassblowingBiker]

Just south of rockford IL now all by my self LOL there is like no lampers out this way that i have found yet closest ones are an Hour away Peace Jeff

[UmaJulz]

Rockford is not that far away, and it is definitely on the way to somewhere. Maybe next party we have up this way, we'll give you a shout. Little by little, piece by peace, it will all come together.

[newmexicomagma]

not saying just saying we can all learn from each other. i can make some wicked wig wag beads and so forth it is very easy to make a bead out of hollow glass. i think any pipemaker could do it and with totlly different styles than mandrels we are all the same just working it a lil diff. threads like this are good they are really making us come together. instead of pipemakers we should start calling ourselves "hollow workers" sounds more proffesional i think.

[glassblowingBiker]

sounds good to me would love to rage with some other people been like 6 months by my self and i hate it i have allways worked with some one the whole time i have been spinging glass I have enought room at my house that i could have some one here Big kiln liquid and great vent just at my house so if any one kinda close want to rage for a day hit me up peace Jeff

[beadaddicts]

not saying just saying we can all learn from each other. i can make some wicked wig wag beads and so forth it is very easy to make a bead out of hollow glass. i think any pipemaker could do it and with totlly different styles than mandrels we are all the same just working it a lil diff. threads like this are good they are really making us come together. instead of pipemakers we should start calling ourselves "hollow workers" sounds more proffesional i think.

Threads like this ARE very good. And no matter what you call yourselves, the end result is the same.......ART.

[Suz]

This has turned into a great discussion!

I have just started venturing out a little more lately here, but my reasons for not exploring too much here are varied. Firstly, there is only so much time in the day to devote to online forums, and I spend a fair amount of time with the so called Bead Mafia on here (apparently we are a posse now???) and on Lampwork Etc. So, if Im gonna actually spend any time on the torch, I have to limit my access. But, there is also the fact that know very little about Boro...Im only just learning a little about marblemaking as a starting point.... so the discussions are often intimidating, over my head or irrelevant to me at the moment. Doesnt mean I cant appreciate art glass in all its forms however and I look forward to learning more in the future.

[Danjeezy]

Dan, I see by the number of posts that you have racked up, that you have been here for a while *cough*

Haha i thought that might get brought up but in all truthfullness I belonged to this forum two years ago under a different user name and password which I forgot (go figure...). I did try to retrieve the password but was unsuccessful because my prior email address got canceled from not using it. I guess that's what not owning your own computer will get ya. Anyways just to clarify, I have never recieved any hostility from anyone on this board, beadmakers or not. I am just speaking from my personal experiences in the real world. I could name names and go into details but obviously that wouldnt be kosher so Im not going to. As far as the whole "soaking up info and not contributing" comment I guess that was sorta unfounded and I apologize but it does seem like I see the same people contributing in various threads. (Obviously pipemakers are guilty of this as well)

[Mr. Whale dick]

jeff...


you know you can come out here and work anytime...

[PyroChixRock]

i just googled these three. they are making some really cool stuff. i hadn't ever heard of them before. i like making beads but i'm just figuring it out on my own slowly between pipe orders. those guys made me want to run out to the shop and roll beads for a the whole weekend.

and you guys think you don't have anything to say here. teach me something else. please.

peace, m

Hey mer, I'm not yet a certified member of the BLM but I do know a thing or two. You can come mosh around in my shop with me anytime if you want to know what I've figured out about beads so far. ;)


Haha i thought that might get brought up but in all truthfullness I belonged to this forum two years ago under a different user name and password which I forgot (go figure...). I did try to retrieve the password but was unsuccessful because my prior email address got canceled from not using it. I guess that's what not owning your own computer will get ya. Anyways just to clarify, I have never recieved any hostility from anyone on this board, beadmakers or not. I am just speaking from my personal experiences in the real world. I could name names and go into details but obviously that wouldnt be kosher so Im not going to. As far as the whole "soaking up info and not contributing" comment I guess that was sorta unfounded and I apologize but it does seem like I see the same people contributing in various threads. (Obviously pipemakers are guilty of this as well)

Hey Dan what's your other user name? It's easy to combine users here and you can pick which name you want to use.

[bc]

well, that ten minutes I'm never gonna get back....

[AlivELampworK]

Is it me or do beadmakers look down on pipemakers (in general)? Obviously there are exceptions (angie-beadaddicts) for example but I sware I have recieved the ole nose in the air attitude several times and its not like I strictly make pipes or anything. I do find it kind of amusing that beadmakers rarely post on this forum (unless insulted apparently) but do hang around to soak up all the useful info. Obviously, the reverse could be stated as well (that pipemakers look down on beadmakers,hence the ninnys comment) but personally I would like to see people being judged on their character and not what glass object they make. People deserve the respect that they give in return. I'm sick of pipemakers being the punching bag of the glass community. If this truly is a melting pot of a forum then I think we should see people from all walks of the glass community contributing to the discussion. Please dont get offended from my post, as this is not my intention, but rather I am just trying to get some issues raised and dialogue flowing.


since i go to school with a handful of pipemakers.. it seems like they do look down on beadmakers. and i have seen beadmakers look down on pipers and it is a damn shame, because there is so much skill in both. i actually lent out my 1000 glass beads book to a few of my friends and i guess it opened their eyes to appreciate "the other side"..

i also would like to see people being judged on character. and now that all this is out in the open i think i will post more out here. i think we can all learn from each other.

so beadmakers aren't ninnies right??

[Greymatter Glass]

Some bead makers are ninnies. Some pipe makers are ninnies (we call them worse things than ninnies tho)

doesn't mean everyone with a torch is a ninny... just some of the asshats - and you know who you are asshats!


and richsanta - dude....you ain't gonna change ol' Skippy...As for making fun of people because they're different - that's just the natural order of humanity. get over yourself.

As they say... If you can't stand the heat, don't cover yourself in gasoline and run into a camp fire.

-Doug

[ShttrdSpctrm]

i have made hundreds, literally, of little vortex and wigwag pendants. mushrooms too. i have only played with mandrels alil, but i used boro. i have never used" soft" glass. the mandrel is tricky, the bead release kept breaking, i think i was forcing the glass around the mandrel and didnt dry it slow enough another time it broke. a couple of times i got the mandrel too hot and it melted, broke, off. im gonna go try some more fo sho. def wanna learn more about beads, lets start a "public" bead room, anyone else want one? :D

[Mac Maestro]

Good idea.
The bead ladies need a place to discuss...
Before they start scaring people away.

[Chase Designs]

There are people on all sides of the isle that look down on everyone. I have seen plenty of boro people look down on Greg (my hubby) for using soft glass to make his marbles. And then yet a whole bunch of other boro peeps who totally appreciate what he does.

I have seen bead ladies turn their noses up at pipes and pipe makers turn their noses up at beads. Then again I have seen both appreciate and learn from each other.

I am guilty of not being out here much, but the truth is I know absolutely nothing about boro. I am soft glass all the way and while I do make beads and recently learned marbles and would love to learn all kinds of other things, often I feel I don't have much to contribute to the conversations at hand. But if you want to know soft glass stuff, I probably have something to contribute. maybe I should brows around more.

Someday soon we may have a real shop though and then you never know what I will try to learn to do. ;)

[Danjeezy]

Hey Dan what's your other user name? It's easy to combine users here and you can pick which name you want to use.

I searched some old threads and actually found it. It was "glasshead". I'll keep the name I have now if ya dont mind. Thanx Misha.

[smutboy420]

Hey this place even lets me hang out and I suck at blowing glass.

[paintingwithglass]

the mandrel is tricky, the bead release kept breaking, i think i was forcing the glass around the mandrel and didnt dry it slow enough another time it broke. a couple of times i got the mandrel too hot and it melted, broke, off. im gonna go try some more fo sho. def wanna learn more about beads, lets start a "public" bead room, anyone else want one? :D

:wave: it might be your bead release...Fosterfire actually creates a boro bead release....

and try to "keep the wire (your mandrel) under the fire". My mandrel whether boro or softglass never becomes red hot...I flash it in and out of the flame to make sure the beadrelease is dry enough and the mandrel is warm enough before the first glass is wound. Then it stays right behind the flame so that it is staying warm but not getting tooooo hot. I try to never let the mandrel get tooooo hot because this will cause bending and sometimes the mandrel will melt.

What size mandrel were you using?? You might want to try 1/8 inch diameter first. Once you get the hang of the mandrel dance then if you desire go to a smaller diameter.

Have you tried making beads out of boro tube?? You just use a tungsten pic to create the holes once you close up the tube.

some of my favorite boro beadmaking peeps:
Andrew Brown, Bryan Kitson, Harold Cooney, John Olson, Kevin O'Grady, Shannon Hill, and Jesse Kohl created some cool tube beads...Jared Delong, Wayne Robbins--I think that they are wound beads but I could be wrong....here are a few of their links:

http://www.patiwalton.com/pages/johnsgallery.php
http://kevinogrady.com/beads.html
http://www.kbglassworks.com/gallery_products.php?artistID=1
http://www.kbglassworks.com/gallery_products.php?artistID=2
http://www.haroldcooney.com/
http://www.needabead.com/

Mandrel wound:
http://www.mountainrobbins.com/loose_beads.shtml

Have fun!:)

[skip]

I posted this


If you were offended by echs statement you need to lighten up or grow some skin.

This is not wet canvas.


And 67 posts later somebody posts this about my simple statement

Skip - you need to get a life - I never said it was Wet Canvas! My skin IS thick but being rude isn't a skin thing - it someone's choice to be rude! There is nothing funny making fun of someone else - maybe you laugh at handicapped people and make fun of them - I don't know!

Who needs to get a life?

[ShttrdSpctrm]

thanks for the advise and info, paintingwithglass

[HumanLathe]

Now Matt.....there we go talking in generalizations again!! Shame on you!!:bangHead:

Well in this case generally I'm right!! oh yeah ..ummm... neener neener...lol

[richsantaclaus]

Whatever Doug - I am NOT trying to change anything and don't be an ass thinking that I am!

Rude is rude - it is THAT simple Doug! Maybe you need some introspection more than me.

[richsantaclaus]

Now Skip - thanks for caring SO much...ho,ho,ho!!!

[ech]

Wow.:o: I've been busy moving my house and shop the last two days, so I just signed in and saw this thread.

Hmm, I didn't mean to start a shit storm or anything. Just for the record I never meant to actually offend anyone, so if you were offended by my comment I appologize. If you stuck up for me, I thank you.

Misha, thanx for reversing the infraction, I'll think before I type in the future.

Peace to all.

[beadaddicts]

thanks, ech. I'm sure that goes a long way with more peeps than just me.

btw....what part of Tx?? I've got a good friend in Amarillo, and a couple near Dallas.....all beadmakers!! LOL!

[PyroChixRock]

I searched some old threads and actually found it. It was "glasshead". I'll keep the name I have now if ya dont mind. Thanx Misha.

ok. i'm combine that one with this one so you get the best of both worlds. :D


Wow.:o: I've been busy moving my house and shop the last two days, so I just signed in and saw this thread.

Hmm, I didn't mean to start a shit storm or anything. Just for the record I never meant to actually offend anyone, so if you were offended by my comment I appologize. If you stuck up for me, I thank you.

Misha, thanx for reversing the infraction, I'll think before I type in the future.

Peace to all.

awe ech...thanks for being such a good guy. :blowkiss:

[HumanLathe]

you might want to skip the first two pages since it is a total different topic lol :D

[Shadow]

ech I found your post comical...
as a soccer mom I found so offence... :)

so on with this interesting conversation

[Greymatter Glass]

Oh come on now richsanta, you don't really wanna call me an ass do you?

I mean... really?

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY!?

bah - Elders earn respect, grumpy old tools demand it.

that's my 2¢.

-Doug

[richsantaclaus]

Believe whatever it is necessary to make yourself feel good Doug!

It's YOUR life to be whatever you'd like to be - not mine!

"Hire a young person while they know everything!" <-- bumper sticker I saw once!

I am done with this issue - no more posts on this topic from me - write all the stuff you'd like... ho,ho,ho!!!

[jane clifton]

Interesting thread. I am a new lurker enjoying all the personalities in this forum. I started in stained glass then went to fused glass (which I still do) but took one of those bead classes 4 or 5 years ago because I just love glass, no matter what venue. I have always wanted to blow glass but didn't have a clue how to get into it and learning how to make beads showed me the way. I made so many beads I was starting to see them in my sleep so I had to move on!! Two torches later (and its still not big enough) I am trying to get into other forms of blown glass. I use to go to LE but if you want to talk about looking down noses.....on that board anyway, just say you prefer boro!!! They quit talking to you!!!! I don't read there much anymore, needless to say.
I have no interest in soft glass anymore, boro is so much more fun and versatile. At least for me. I still suck at blowing glass, but I am trying.
Kristian and Mike at Generations are trying to help (great guys by the way) and I don't care if you make anal beads, glass in any form is fastinating to me.

Just my 2 cents sorry to be so long winded.
Jane

[jusbag]

crapola, this thread blew up!

[AlivELampworK]

Interesting thread. I am a new lurker enjoying all the personalities in this forum. I started in stained glass then went to fused glass (which I still do) but took one of those bead classes 4 or 5 years ago because I just love glass, no matter what venue. I have always wanted to blow glass but didn't have a clue how to get into it and learning how to make beads showed me the way. I made so many beads I was starting to see them in my sleep so I had to move on!! Two torches later (and its still not big enough) I am trying to get into other forms of blown glass. I use to go to LE but if you want to talk about looking down noses.....on that board anyway, just say you prefer boro!!! They quit talking to you!!!! I don't read there much anymore, needless to say.
I have no interest in soft glass anymore, boro is so much more fun and versatile. At least for me. I still suck at blowing glass, but I am trying.
Kristian and Mike at Generations are trying to help (great guys by the way) and I don't care if you make anal beads, glass in any form is fastinating to me.

Just my 2 cents sorry to be so long winded.
Jane


its a shame thats the experience you had on lampworketc. despite personalities and attitude, which you will find anywhere, it is a wealth of information just as this is. i have never seen anything on LE regarding boro being looked down on. i hope you have a better experience here. flame on.

[Suz]

I have noticed that Boro has a much higher profile over on Le lately...lots of people are switching or dabbling in boro, so maybe its become more accepted...

[UmaJulz]

maybe not so much "accepted" as "exotic, unique and unusual", and therefore more desireable.

[ech]

I have noticed that Boro has a much higher profile over on Le lately...lots of people are switching or dabbling in boro, so maybe its become more accepted...

I don't know why but when I started people always said boro was harder to work and so you got more money for it. Well after working boro for a few years and making a couple of peices from soft glass on a few occasions in my opinion boro is way easier to work with. Its really forgiving. With soft glass you just can't get away with the same stuff you can get away with in boro. So I think people are just starting to realize how much they can occomplish with boro so they are forgeting the recent history of the pipe trade and giving the medium a try. I do have mad rescect for the people who work high COE glass everyday, especially the people who make larger peices on the torch. Working Luascha or making a Venetian Goblet in 104 COE glass must be take incredible skill. If I had another life time to try and master another medium in it would be 104COE glass.

[Shadow]

Last year at the MO bead retreat we had a guy demo boro and everytime he took the piece out of the flame we all flinched and ducked (we were working outside in May and still cool outside)
He laughed at us and told us that boro was much more forgiving about that and not to worry
But he did get a kick out of us glass girls (and guys) from it.!!
:lol

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[Phoenix]

Is it me or do beadmakers look down on pipemakers (in general)? Obviously there are exceptions (angie-beadaddicts) for example but I sware I have recieved the ole nose in the air attitude several times and its not like I strictly make pipes or anything. I do find it kind of amusing that beadmakers rarely post on this forum (unless insulted apparently) but do hang around to soak up all the useful info. Obviously, the reverse could be stated as well (that pipemakers look down on beadmakers,hence the ninnys comment) but personally I would like to see people being judged on their character and not what glass object they make. People deserve the respect that they give in return. I'm sick of pipemakers being the punching bag of the glass community. If this truly is a melting pot of a forum then I think we should see people from all walks of the glass community contributing to the discussion. Please dont get offended from my post, as this is not my intention, but rather I am just trying to get some issues raised and dialogue flowing.

I'm not as skilled at multi quote and I've been thinking about this thread over the weekend- so please forgive a few posts ahead of time...

I think I don't post as much because most of the people here are involved with boro- when I can contribute, I try to- I'm a bit of a glass junky and will read anything- but I work some furnace work and lots of soft glass on a torch. Nothing to do with the end result you are making- more of a result of the glass you are using- I want to learn it- but I still have so much to learn in soft glass first...

[smutboy420]

I think I don't post as much because most of the people here are involved with boro- when I can contribute, I try to- I'm a bit of a glass junky and will read anything- but I work some furnace work and lots of soft glass on a torch. Nothing to do with the end result you are making- more of a result of the glass you are using- I want to learn it- but I still have so much to learn in soft glass first...
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I tend to find my self doing the same thing on the LE or other softgalss boards. Being softglass is not my feild I tend to not have a whole heck of a lot I can contribute. So I tend to be more of a reader then a poster.
I try to help out where I can tho. Like shop and equiptment maintnance or stuff that I do happen to know about.

[smutboy420]

BTW I wanted to add in the end I like the way this thread went from a $6 set of punti's to the guilded ninnies statment. To a dialog between pipe makers beaders and everyone else.

I guess some times when shit hits the fan it becomes art.

[HumanLathe]

BTW I wanted to add in the end I like the way this thread went from a $6 set of punti's to the guilded ninnies statment. To a dialog between pipe makers beaders and everyone else.

I guess some times when shit hits the fan it becomes art.

lol

[ACE]

I'm not as skilled at multi quote and I've been thinking about this thread over the weekend- so please forgive a few posts ahead of time...

I think I don't post as much because most of the people here are involved with boro- when I can contribute, I try to- I'm a bit of a glass junky and will read anything- but I work some furnace work and lots of soft glass on a torch. Nothing to do with the end result you are making- more of a result of the glass you are using- I want to learn it- but I still have so much to learn in soft glass first...

hey i work @ the furnace as well, and i've met some other people on here that do too! haven't seen a lot of topics started about it but i bet it you did there would be folks chiming in!!