what am i doing wronge ?

[glassblowingBiker]

So i was all Jacked got my first case of schott A the other day ....
so today i tryed to cut a tube in half well it exploded than i was able to pull 2 points worked one and the other one exploded also than with the very little bits left i tryed to pull another point and that did the same thing so out of a full tube i got 2 points and was able to work ONE WTF i am not Happy with this at all thanks Jeff

[jusbag]

bad batch?

[ShttrdSpctrm]

you got ust not schott :rollin :rollin

[sunray]

Schott Duran is the real Schott
Schott Artistic is different tolerance according to Schott it was made for artists
How is it working for the other blowers?

[Greymatter Glass]

For one thing you spelled wrong wrong.

Also... yeah I am wondering about this too. Is the Schott Artistic the same glass just lower mechanical tolerances. or is it a completely new formula?

-Doug

[mer]

need more info. what size did you get and how are you working it and introducing it to the flame?

douge, aree youe suree thate therese noe e in wronge?

[β]

e-tard.....

[wildrokproductions]

that deff. dont sound right.
im at the end of my first case, and no probs here!!
you must have scared it with that massive torch!!

[glassblowingBiker]

i got a case of 38x 4 and i didnt do any thing dif than i would fire cutting a tube of simax so ill guess its Just me thanks Jeff

[smutboy420]

If you need to change how you work with it or do some thing else difrent to "make it work" there is some thing wrong with the glass not the blower.


Was this of the same size as a tube you have worked befor? if all things being equil its the glass.


Is the Schott Artistic the same glass just lower mechanical tolerances. or is it a completely new formula?


Ever sence every one started to carry this. I had assumed it was the sizeing tolerances that was the only thing dirfrent then Schott scientific glass. I was basing my assumption somethng I read about 6 years ago on Schott's web site that said sence it was artistic rod and tubing it did not have to be ISO certified for wall thickness and pressure ratings.
I was wondering what the word "New " was attached to this Schott artistic glass. and the talk of it being manifactured for someone. That had me wondering If it was reg schott artistic or some "new schott artistic."

[glassblowingBiker]

well i had just got a case of simax 38 x 4 the day befor so i was working that till tonight and I grabed a tube of schott and tryed to flame cut it and that was that i will try it again when i have the time to mess with it but for now im glade i got a case of simax ill wait to see what any one eles that gets this size has to say Peace Jeff

[CripSkillz]

i got boro artistic 26x4 and am 3 tubes into my case and not one has cracked yet seems to be working goood for me.

[Groundjoints.com]

I dont know anyone else that has had cracking issues with the tubing, that's really strange. Give me a call on Monday Jeff.

As far as the boro artistic is concerned, its made on the same process as Duran, same furnace, same batch. As far as the tolerances are concerned, they are different then Duran by 10%. With regards to variations in wall thickness and roundness, you are talking about a difference of hundreths of a milimeter. With seeds and stones there is no real difference. It is not seconds, it is not manufactured in China. Schott and UST have been working together for more then 6 months to arrive at the introduction of the Schott Boro Artistic product. If you notice, the Duran catalog doesnt list much tubing with extra heavy wall thicknesses or extra large rod sizes. Planned production and large order volume in these sizes has allowed us to arrive at the price point we are at now. We work on tight margins and have bi-costal warehouses to provide direct shipping lines all over the country. We are not "up to something" if other people would like to imply that. Just delivering quality glass to quality glassblowers at affordable prices. We will have a complete stock of 50 sizes within 60 days, check my earlier post if you missed the list.

Feel free to call me at 1-877-UST-Glas(s) if you need any more information.

Thanks

Adam

[HumanLathe]

I have had a case of 50x5 for 2months and I throw it right in the flame not one crack pop or tink yet, thanks Adam!!

[smutboy420]

I have had a case of 50x5 for 2months and I throw it right in the flame not one crack pop or tink yet

Now thats what I want to hear.

what are the ends of the tubes like on this SBA? are the cut/cracked off ends or are they fire polished ends?

[chayes]

I've worked the 50x9 with no cracking problems.

[PyroChixRock]

Now thats what I want to hear.

what are the ends of the tubes like on this SBA? are the cut/cracked off ends or are they fire polished ends?

polished ends of course. works like butta, like any other schott i've used. yum!

[smutboy420]

works like butta, like any other schott i've used. yum!

Cool and I know you guys have blown a pcs of glass or 2 in your time. ;-)

I have heard a lot of good things about it but usealy with contradictory info along with it. So I have had to filter a lot of it out.

For instance. Someone was telling me the other day how nice it was. Then followed that statement with its was in there opinion as good as pyrex brand. So 1 second they where saying it was great styff then the next second compairing it to one of the worse major brands of glass. In my opinion Pyrex sucks even when its good pyrex. So lol lol even tho they have been blowing glass for awhile to me it wasn't a full valid review of the new stuff.


Now don't any one get me wrong and think I'm puting any one down for using pyrex or thinking its ok glass. I know its just because you just haven't seen what the Sweet butter tastes like yet. Once you cross that line there is no going back.

Its like when a chick gets with the smutster. :-) There is just no going back.

[wildrokproductions]

i'll never go back to simax if i can help it. i'm making some of the nicest peices ever w/ shott. the fume is just amazing in this stuff, and it realy works well w/ diro.
thanks adam for bringing us this new product!

[Groundjoints.com]

Its our pleasure really. With over 2000 cases in circulation so far, the only major problem or complaint we have had is some mangled packaging courtesy of our ground carriers. With regards to the tolerances, the tubing and rod are as round and straight as I have ever seen. The tubing ends are machine fire polished, by the same machinery as Duran. Be looking for a press realease and cooperative advertising with Schott in this upcomming issue of the flow magazine. As far as REAL Schott is concerned, Schott manufactured this glass to be used by artists, UST Glass made it affordable. Does it get any more real then that? Maybe the reason that the other quality glass products are more expensive is because they have to buy it from somebody that bought it from somebody that imported it to another country and then has to charge duties to bring it to the US and then shipped it to somebody that sold it to somebody who has to make up for the fact that the glass changed hands 2 or 3 times before it arived to them. Our containers come directly to California and Philadelphia. We manitain low overhead and work on smaller margins then the other distributors do.

I am not a lampworker, unfortunately, although I plan on learning when my fiancee and I buy a house next year and I have the space to do it. So before we unleashed the new German beast on the United States market, I got some cases to artists to try to get a feel for what the tubing was capable of. I am going to list the artists below and you can feel free to ask them how nicely the tubing worked for them.

In no particular order:

Marcel Braun
Matt Geisler
Kevin Nail
Cowboy
Marbleslinger
Erik Anders
Mike Fro
Eusheen
Luke Wilson
Darby Holme

I set up a display at the CHAMPS show and the international flameworking confrence with 10 worked 1' - 1 1/2' sections of our 50x5 with various techniques that are really indicative of what the tubing is capable of. I am working on getting some professional photography done of the pieces so that everyone can see them. We are doing a second program now with our rod stock for marbles to display along with our tubing.

Last point I'd like to make is about Schott Rohrglass themselves, who have done so much since the birth of borosilicate glass itself, for lampworkers world wide. They would NEVER risk their reputation by putting their name on a less then quality glass product. This alone should should be enough to quell any rumors started by other distributors who are salty because they now have their work cut out for them.

We appreciate all of your business and promise more good things to come.

Thank you,

Adam

[wildrokproductions]

any plans for flat glass or dicro?

[smutboy420]

Well I think I'm going to have to be getting me some of this stuff then.

I like the even MM number system on the sizes with no decmil points and stuff. 50x5 say for instance seems easier then 48.8mm x 4.8mm

Thats the only thing I thought was up with the wall tolarances. Just no xx point what ever mm's

[Groundjoints.com]

Schott typically uses even round numbers for the tubing sizes they produce. We will see a first from them in the next 31 tubing and rod sizes being manufactured in Boro Artistic which will be 2 metric sizes, 9.5 x 2.0 and 12.7 x 2.4. As far as flat glass and Dichro are concerned, Schott makes a product called borofloat which is produced by their specialty division someplace else then Mittertech Germany where Boro Artistic and Duran are produced. I made an inquiry just last week about stocking some of their Borofloat products. More information to come about that. I have been working a few local evaporated coatings people to see about getting some plate glass and tubing coated for borosilicate lampwork. This project, like our torch manufacturing project, is still in its infancy. We are also working with a new type of graphite developed in the Ukraine that is both super high temp resistant and super light. Hopefully UST and our distributors will be able to provide you a true one stop shop for your material and tool needs over the course of the next few months.

[garrick]

i love the price of ust tubing but had the exploding problem i was using 38 if i remember correctly

[wildrokproductions]

well lets get it on !
my eyes, ears , and wallet, will be waiting. its about time for some new tools anyhow.
Thanks for all the info.