6 weeks on the torch.. 4 students are setting a new standard

[Headchange]

Im still looking for my pics but I thought you guys could give these new ones a lil positive encouragement.. Prolly the most worthy beginning crew in 8 years..

Remember 6 Weeks

These are pics from josh.. chillin on the couch and Jake.. Russel and christian werent in these pics

[dogmaw]

Looks like they are getting some nice shapes there.

[Headchange]

here are a couple I have lying around.. hand pieces.. theese pics are all done with the capture on a webcam btw.. so they suck haha.. the one on the far right is jakes newest honeycomb attempts.. we assume within the next couple days he shall nail it.. left 3 are mine.. I wont take many pics with this cam tho.. so we can post more later.. and by weeks end the website will be up.

www.Austinglassroots.com
www.glassrootsaustin.com
www.texasglassroots.com

[dogmaw]

Cool! But dude, you need a better camera. How else are we supposed to tell how much they improve? :)

[ShttrdSpctrm]

pretty good for only six weeks

[canaan]

is this the new standard ?

[HumanLathe]

new standard??? HAHAH funny:twitch:..du ..du..does this mean I set a new standard when in my first week I made an internal bubbler?

[Headchange]

DMN matt.. wtf.. mer.. all you ppl are hating way too much for your own good.. canaan.. Ive seen all of your galleries.. are you seriously not paying attention.. 6 weeks.. and thats with the 8 days off for the liquids... thats 6 weeks til they not only covered supply cost to get there but are already MAKING their income as an artist.. Im sorry I feel like I stepped straight into bizarro world and you guys that are normally very helpful.. show me ANY of your students that get there that fast from scratch.. zero knowledge.. no torch skill... limited to weight issues only after 6 weeks.. If you have better then maybe you should be chiming in a lil more about how.. cuz I seem to be trying to spread the "love" about whats up... and you are seriously telling me that Outside... ummm.. doing something beautiful..... one day wont make pipes etc.. your telling me seriously.. After all of your time in this industry in the pipe market.. Where have you guys been.. Outside is the bottom barrel crap and if you want to generalize that to all hell and start including grall and color encasements which btw I didnt friggin say.. and most of you know what outside crip was doing and that aint friggin it. the outside he was doing is not a step forward it puts you behind the learning curve.. the evolution of glass instruction.. a desire to improve upon the foundation for a student to give them a better advantage in a competitve environment.. which all sales are in some way... like it or not.. We all must pay our bills while we strive to expand our horizons.. I guess someone learning outside work and at 6 months getting kicked out of their house cuz they havent made any money.. I guess that crap is cool too hunh..

I am now under the impression that this is a forum for people that agree with you..
.02

[Pilgrim]

in side/ out side .... the end result is the same ...apipe aslong as the quality is at the high end , it really dosnt matter much how the color is applied.
i wish your students the very best, with a master that thinks like you . i think maybe they will need it........

[CripSkillz]

Ya whatever I had one lesson for liek 30 min to show me how to make a mouth piece The rest I have learned from the good people here, so what if i didnt do it in 6 weks i did it in 12 from start no knowledge jsut got some shit and started, and I dont do it but maybe 3 days a week never more than 3 pieces, and off all i have done only broke liek 5 so far, So Id vouch to say if I was at a class every day and workin hours at a time I would have been doin what you students are doin in 6 weeks in abouut a week and a half so what ever, I have still sold all my crap even the outside shit my friends though t was coool and i have gottin at least 15$ usually 20 for each , and the ISO im doin now only gets 5 - 10 $ more and thats jsut cuz there gettin better still takes longer, , but sence im not really in it for the money yet Im jstu happy to get more cash for supplies and gas gimmie another month or 2 and Ill be makin some killer shit I can feel it.. so basically your accelerated students arnt that killer specially if they have a teacher, they should be way farther than they are Just my thoughts

[mer]

i can't find any place where i've been "hating" on you. do you have trouble taking constructive criticism? i've been way cooler with you than you have been with anybody here. i appreciate you bringing this over here and not messing with crip's thread anymore but seriously stop trolling. it's not going to end well for you. i can tell there's a shred of decency in there by the way you pimp the kids that you teach. try matching it with a little humility and respect for others.

third warning, that's all you get from me.

[PyroChixRock]

new standard??? HAHAH funny:twitch:..du ..du..does this mean I set a new standard when in my first week I made an internal bubbler?

no...but you doing it with me yelling at you to chill the fuck out, and then turning around and selling it for a couple hundred bucks does. :lol

[newmexicomagma]

dude u dont know what ur talking about im teaching my friend hes about 6 weeks into it and has sold every w/r hes made. EVERY ONE. just cause the market is diff out there doesnt make it any better. your guys are doing great i dont think anyone said that. yes u can make more off a iso but u cant make as many an hour. I and my apprentice can make a w/r in 5 mins and thats 5 bucks. a dollar a min isnt so bad. i dont see why u are up so high on yourhorse? (must be a clydesdale.) your students have a opportunity that alot dont have. u can teach them all the knowledge u learned in a relatively short period of time. same for my student. i can show him what took me years to learn in months. so yes that is great it is good to here that ur students are doing good. But that still gives u no reason to pass judgement on anyone. So i guess im setting the new standard teaching people to make a living off of w/r? bwahahaha ridiculous man. just keep teaching them what u know. every teacher has a different route but that doesnt make your way any better than mine or anyone elses. how long have u been melting? ive only been melting for a lil over 2 years now and dont do much w/r but that doesnt mean it doesnt have its place.

[Super Phunk]

My first headpiece, 8 weeks on the torch. and then at 10 weeks my first bub.

[newmexicomagma]

uh oh we gotta new standard better pic it up people!

[Headchange]

Have fun fellas :P

[mer]

super funk def takes the prize for beating the learning curve.

[Lampworking-Supply]

Everyone relax to enjoy "Your Art" and why you create it. Everyone is here to advance their skills. Forum attacks make me sick but they are here to stay. Don't get involved in an attack even if it makes your blood flow. If you must defend yourself "Do So" but try to find a way to let it rest and keep striving on making "YOUR ART" better.


Mike
http://www.lampworking-supply.com
http://www.lookaheadshop.com

[canaan]

canaan.. Ive seen all of your galleries.. are you seriously not paying attention..


I simply asked if what you posted was a new standard.

You've seen my galleries ? I am flattered. I've a grand total of 30 minutes watching someone else blow glass. Thats it. no videos, no buddies, nothing. pipemaking for me, wouldnt even be considered a hobby. I dont make my living making pipes, and if i did, I'd have starved to death long ago :evilLaugh



My post was questioning whether or not your pictures represented the skill one should have attained after six weeks on the torch.

I troll these forums looking to pick up a thing or two, and probably couldnt hold a candle to you, or any of the boards regulars as far as pipemaking/shaping.

I am, however, not one sacrifice courtesy and or respect in an attempt to assert my talent, skill, progression, or image.

How about a link to your galleries ? I'm always curious as to what other lampworkers are up to, and it sounds as if you are some sort of 'instructor' .

peace

[Headchange]

Everyone relax to enjoy "Your Art" and why you create it. Everyone is here to advance their skills. Forum attacks make me sick but they are here to stay. Don't get involved in an attack even if it makes your blood flow. If you must defend yourself "Do So" but try to find a way to let it rest and keep striving on making "YOUR ART" better.


Mike
http://www.lampworking-supply.com
http://www.lookaheadshop.com

Preach on Brother man.. Reality check.. Im gonna go blow some glass

[Pilgrim]

just so you no.... I screwed up pissing people off in the post, It didnt end good for me.....really it didnt. so you should shut the hell up about your self be fore the infract you or worse like they did me.... trust me , owch im still screwed.......

[HumanLathe]

My first headpiece, 8 weeks on the torch. and then at 10 weeks my first bub.

:kitchen: :pwned:

[ShttrdSpctrm]

ya those r nice for only that long on the torch :tongue2:

[jello]

Headchange - Dude.. *edit* You come off talking big ass shit and then post some janky ass IO's with a fucked up overfumed honycomb that is completley off and have the gull to talk shit to others here?. You say you have been blowing for 8+ years but your IO shit looks like 7th week students!.
Go back to your torch and take a huge breath of fresh silver and learn the tech before you bring such big talk to the table.

Your "students" are making your shit look like an import!

[β]

just so you no.... I screwed up pissing people off in the post, It didnt end good for me.....really it didnt. so you should shut the hell up about your self be fore the infract you or worse like they did me.... trust me , owch im still screwed.......

:lol good advice. glad to see you are still sticking around scottland.

[schmoinkel]

Headchange - Dude.. *edit* You come off talking big ass shit and then post some janky ass IO's with a fucked up overfumed honycomb that is completley off and have the gull to talk shit to others here?. You say you have been blowing for 8+ years but your IO shit looks like 7th week students!.
Go back to your torch and take a huge breath of fresh silver and learn the tech before you bring such big talk to the table.



I think the pics are from his students. He's just trying to give/get some encouragement for them.

You guys sure are being hard on this guy. Give him a brake.

Scott

[jello]

Headchange - Dude.. *edit* You come off talking big ass shit and then post some janky ass IO's with a fucked up overfumed honycomb that is completley off and have the gull to talk shit to others here?. You say you have been blowing for 8+ years but your IO shit looks like 7th week students!.
Go back to your torch and take a huge breath of fresh silver and learn the tech before you bring such big talk to the table.



I think the pics are from his students. He's just trying to give/get some encouragement for them.

You guys sure are being hard on this guy. Give him a brake.

Scott


I would love to give the guy a break... but i already read all of his posts.



And he stated that the 3 on the right are HIS. so, this means he made them. the one on the far right has a small honeycomb so i took that as a student.

[Pilgrim]

ok , ...thanks betta.
On the other hand my zen side is blooming, you should be so stoked so pleased and over the top with joy... if those where my students and they did some thing any thing i would be very pleased with my self too,like you are , its shows and thats awsome your pride in your "kids"work. i fully understand and respect you...with that said you came in sorta hard core... i truly know better them most that it dosnt work well for your self like that in here.
I hope my babble is understandable to you and i hope you hear what i'm saying........peace bro, It dosnt show but well are all stoked for you.......

[nodice]

....a desire to improve upon the foundation for a student to give them a better advantage in a competitve environment....

Your students can learn a lot of things from doing outside work. If they never did any outside work, they are at a disadvantage in a competitive environment. They have no foundation to work from, because you skipped that part. Nice pipes though, other then the lack of fuming.

peace

[Dom]

Honestly headchange, if you have been on the torch 8 years, and all your making is weak inside dichro latty work and uneven honeycombs(try to make at least one six sided dot) then you are defenitely behind the learning curve.

[Headchange]

Have fun you ppl.. and the one on the right was a student.. :P Peace with your drama.. Im done.. And I really wont be thinking about this tomorrow.. so enjoy

[jello]

lol..... headchange your the best glassblower ive ever seen. you IO stuff just rocks my ass!. you must of took lessons from Nomad.


dude I'll bet you will think about this all day fool

[smutboy420]

WOW Talk about drop kicking someone in the face and sweeping out there legs.

8 days, 8 months, 8 years. What difrence should it really make to anyone else? Inless someone is talking smack that there stuff is all that and needs to be pulled back down to earth a bit I really don't see why it matters if someone else progress slower or in other directions then someone else.

I notice a tendancy for someone to get jumped on if they don't live eat breath walk and sleep glass. Or arn't doing inside out double something or anonther this or that pipes by the end of the first day. Or if some one wants to show something they made that happens to not be a pipe. It's taken as some attack against pipes and the whole pipes are art or a fart thing.

I'm mainly genralizing about more then just this thread. But just thought it was a good place to bring it up.

There is a big dirfence in giveing some one some pointers as to what YOU think THEY should do. Or wich areas they may need work on. and just ripping someone a new ass becasue they arn't as skilled as YOU would like them to be. Inless you are the one paying for there classes, time, matrials. etc etc.
I know I don't post many things I have made. For 1 because I just don't ever get pics of stuff much and #2 because nothing is usealy worthy if its just a nice pcs but don't happen to be inside out, or a pipe, or have every tech there is crammed in to a single pcs. So being that I know its not worth the time to post . Plus most things are gone by the time a pic is posted. So I have not felt to inclinded in 8 years to bother setting my self up to be ripped on for some thing that has already found a home and is being enjoyed by someone some wher.

My stuff isn't cutting edge, And I don't do much inside out. And I hardly ever do pipes inless I need to. So I know I'm not up to parr of the ones pushing the envolope, So I feel no need to get ripped for some thing that I don't even care about that much. I don't want to get ripped on for not using enought color when I hate most color thats been out for the last 5-6 years. Or if I choose to make a bubbler or a bing the right way with a grommeted stem and not the new fangled way of permanitly welding the stem to the can.

[Super Phunk]

I think people need to remember more that classic lesson most of us learned

If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.


This guy really got torn apart here. I didn't see him as coming off as an aragant dick in any way. Did he say that these guys are setting a new standard, yes, but i think it was just an expresion. Some of you guys need to chill out and go puff some headies or something and quit being all dungeons and dragons nerdy nerd.

[Headchange]

I think people need to remember more that classic lesson most of us learned

If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.


This guy really got torn apart here. I didn't see him as coming off as an aragant dick in any way. Did he say that these guys are setting a new standard, yes, but i think it was just an expresion. Some of you guys need to chill out and go puff some headies or something and quit being all dungeons and dragons nerdy nerd.

Holy Crap Super Phunk!! Somebody got it.. Dmn.. 1 out of 20 aint bad..:bangHead:

[jello]

I think people need to remember more that classic lesson most of us learned

If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.


This guy really got torn apart here. I didn't see him as coming off as an aragant dick in any way. Did he say that these guys are setting a new standard, yes, but i think it was just an expresion. Some of you guys need to chill out and go puff some headies or something and quit being all dungeons and dragons nerdy nerd.


Dude, read his other post then you will see why this post went this way.

[baggedchevys]

headchange and nomad should share a shop are reinvent the world of glassblowing. they are meant for eachother