YaY more NOOB pics

[jethro]

Ok so i finally got some pics that are clear enough to show where I'm having problems so I thought I'd throw em up to get bashed.

Mostly just problems with melting in certain colors and gettin my bowls pushed str8...but if you see anywhere else I can improve any advice is greatly appreciated.

oh btw I am just finishing up my first tank of propane (to tell you my lack of experience) no classes...a few crappy videos and books.(most of my learning is from here much thanx to everyone)

I'm working on a national 8m with sm-7 and sm-21 tips ...have a premix adapter ...but it hasnt gotten much use as of yet.I just prefer the surface mix flame.

::edit::alright,Ill get the pics here later...I guess they were too big?...gotta find somewhere to host em.

[jethro]

maybe now?

[ShttrdSpctrm]

wow it looks like u melted in the loop on ur pendants pretty good, i dont see anyone who just starts do that. the loop is prolly the most important part of the pendant. it takes a really really really....... really long time to melt in that much color with that little torch. but can be done. get that propane filled and turn it up. pretty good for just startin.

[wildrokproductions]

advice!!-slow down to speed up,by the color it looks like your blasting that lil torch. let the heat do it's job, and focus on letting the glass work itself almost as you guide it into place. also try 2 meltdowns for your spoons- try body first melt it smooth then shape body and mouthpeice, then meltdown and blow your bowl. the actual bowl is ok , pushing a bowl comes down to heat base, that will come to ya soon
then make 100 staight, and a cpl hundo more if you need $$$ to upgrade your set up
hope i helped PEACE

[jethro]

advice!!-slow down to speed up,by the color it looks like your blasting that lil torch. let the heat do it's job, and focus on letting the glass work itself almost as you guide it into place.


Yea I do rage it about as hard as I can to try to melt in the color ,I do ok if I use just a ruby or clear/fume those just seem to come togeather smooth.Other than losing my fume half the time.

As for my loops it took me about...oh 10 pendants to get that down.(pretty good anyway)..right now I am probably up to 30 or so pendants and probably 15 spoons.

just did my third attempt at a 2 piece spoon...pretty much just a pendant sealed to the end of a fumed tube and blown out...the second one came out ok too but I showed it to a friend and he took it right off my hands.Didnt even have time to think of taking a pic...I'll post a pic when it comes out of the kiln.

thanks for the advice and the encouragement...I really think my stuff sux...but it gets better every time.

[CripSkillz]

ya man definatley lookin good for a tank, I was doin the same thing when i started, jsut take a lil more time to melt it in more , then blow it up a bit and melt it back down, your torch should be fine Im usin the same setup but with a small premix on top and it melts in color fine I jsut had to learn how to do it.. Keep it up your pendants are sweeeet \..

oh ya once ya get a punty on the bowl end you can melt in the mouth pice lots more and get it all floppy without worien bout it fallin off

[jethro]

alright heres a few pics of the one I made this morning...I left the wigged clear/fume lines a lil bit raised on purpose on the stem because I like the look in this case(is that bad?) but the mouthpiece is fully melted in.oh and I tried to get a closeup of the bowl to show better what I mean when I say I always push em crooked....its like I can never keep the hole centered.

and the other pics are of my third attempt at a marble about 2-3 weeks ago first fume implosion it is sittin on a mini jar i made from a used point that had some color left on it.


And Crip...thanks a lot man..I have been watching your thread from the first post and its amazing how fast your coming along....just makes me want to try that much harder ya know?

[newmexicomagma]

right on looking good so far man. if u push your bowl crokked just go back and heat up all around the edge and use your reamer to center the bowl. super easy and quick.

[ShttrdSpctrm]

pushing bowls straight just come with time, shti ive made thousands of spoons and i still push some crooked, just do what newmex said, heat up edges and move it. if u have a pencil reamer just stick it in the hole and move the bowl over. :D
texture is cool on pipes, as long as its melted on enough not to break.

[CripSkillz]

heheh ya i still puash em croked tooo sometimes i think its cuz i always am holdin teh pice in right hand and push in left so i always heat teh bowl the same which isnt even lol so it pushes a lil to teh left... new pipes lookin goodo

[jethro]

hell yea i got the bowl hole straightening thing down,and pulled off a half assed honeycomb I think....

we will see when they come out of the kiln...probably have pics up tomorrow...time to sleep....gotta work tonight...3rd shift sux:twitch:

[jethro]

Alright after about 40 pictures I decided this is as good as its gonna get...so here is my first half assed honeycomb.I think next time i need more fume and bigger dots.

[ShttrdSpctrm]

ya, more fume , bigger dots.

[Dom]

More fume, you dont neccassarily need bigger dots. But the bigger they are the more you could shrink em down I guess.

[n3rd]

lookin good!

[HumanLathe]

try this blow the bubble pretty thin and then open, fume, close, and blow out thinner and then do your dots ,guaranteed you'll see a huge difference.

[Alfred]

Strike it some more!Is it simax?

[jethro]

hmm...the part with the comb is simax(I think)...the rest is ust

I have been experimenting with different glass and have found that I like the schott boro artistic the most...but still have a bunch of ust to go through before I order more of that. and I havent found anywhere that really sells schott by the tube except generations and they dont have many sizes yet.so I am gonna burn up what I have ...sell what I can out of that to hopefully pick up a case or 2

but man schott works sooo much smoother than the ust and the fume comes out 100 times better.

Matt-I will try in the next 2 days when I'm off work to do the blow bubble pop/flare for the comb but I have 1 problem....I only have 26 by 4 and smaller tubing and no reamers/flare tools,only graphite rods.

My flares have only been successful on the smaller/thinner wall tubing with just the graphite rods but I also havent tried for a while so I'll give it another shot...if not I'll have more tools in a week or so.

thanks everyone for the comments and suggestions I REALLY appreciate it and it is really nice to know that other people with some experience think I'm doing alright so far...I hear it from my friends (but what do they know) and I see my progress myself so far but it is just different to hear it from all of you.

[ShttrdSpctrm]

take yat 26 and blow it out to be thin walled. the u have bigger tube and a thinner wall. :D

[jethro]

hehe I couldnt wait till I was off tomorrow.

I think I pulled it off though did like Matt said and I think it worked except I was a little sloppy closing up my flair and the fume is trapped inside the glass at the seam...but Im still really happy even if it doesnt come out looking quite right.

All in about 45 mins too

pics tomorrow...thanks to everyone again, Rob:chilling:

[CripSkillz]

nice man hey im usin teh same size tube too and was havin a bitch of a time flairin it till these guys told me how now i rarley jack one up but the whole process of jsut flairin it still take s more than 5 min

[jethro]

ok here is that comb....done the way Matt said came out ok...but I still need to work on it especially closing my flare clean

and also my first try at i/o pulled the mouthpiece too thin so it became a stubby lil guy

[newmexicomagma]

keep at it man, youll get it. on the last pic try blowing it out then remelting it and doing that a couple of times before u push your bowl and whatnot. that way the colors r melted evenly with your tube. keep going good progress.

[CripSkillz]

yup gettin betta for sure , , I pulled of 2 so far today tooo ill post em up 2 maro prob , Its still hard for me to close a flair down too I usually end up losin liek 1/2 inch or more of my shit but 2day was beta cracked the flair i was workin in after 2 lines then tried to heat it back together and it spread apart Iwas liek Fuk then jstu pushed it over it over laped a bit and all melted back together was coool

[jethro]

keep at it man, youll get it. on the last pic try blowing it out then remelting it and doing that a couple of times before u push your bowl and whatnot. that way the colors r melted evenly with your tube. keep going good progress.

yea I thought I hadnt melted it in enough before i closed the flare...but i burnt my thumb like crazy trying to lay the lines inside.I didnt expect the flame to hit the back of the flare and come back at me and my stringer was a lil short.so I kinda finished that 1 with 1 hand because when my right thumb got close to the flame at all.....well I'm sure you all know how that goes.:bangHead:

[CripSkillz]

HAHAHHA ya ya gota watch that i burnt the fuck outa my nose flame shot in teh bowl and right back out to my nose, burned my nose hair, then a few other times i burnt my fingers like that too, the flame shootin back outa the flair oh man i burnt my stash a few times too , im gettin used to the heat though I was sweatin like a mofo today crisped a lil finger but no facail burns oh YA NOW I KNOW WHY YOU NEED TO HOLD YOUR BREATH WHILE FUMIN, ON OUTSIDE SHIT EASY IN THE FLAIR ITS IN YOUR FACE weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:chilling:

[newmexicomagma]

thats part of the initiation to inside outs. r u guys using paddles? keep the top of the glass in the bottom of the flame while u have your paddle at the bottom of your glass and it will close right up. (did u get that) then clean it up and its like a brand new tube.

[jethro]

thats part of the initiation to inside outs. r u guys using paddles? keep the top of the glass in the bottom of the flame while u have your paddle at the bottom of your glass and it will close right up. (did u get that) then clean it up and its like a brand new tube.

Yea i was doing that by the end of the last one...but i was also trying to force the glass a lil much and folded it a little.just a lil more practice...oh yea...new tools should be here by monday :bouncy: just like a kid in a candy store.

anybody have any ideas on something simple I can make for moms day?

I'll probably just end up making her a Marble today she already collects hand decorated and stone eggs....might as well get her into something made of glass too right?

[jethro]

Alright heres what I came up with in the last 24 hours (minus 2 demolished i/o pieces) I think im giving that up until I have other issues worked out.

In the 1 i/o piece what caused that haze in the glass?

[CripSkillz]

Thats teh devitrifaction or somethin, they learned me that a while back when my shit had it hehebh its like a noob diesase on your pices,, hehehe i think its from like bending or workin the glass when its not hot enuf not sure , but ya jsut have to hit it wif the oxy flame and melt it off, in whatever, but doode your marbles are sweeet and the top pice too i like it, I got frustrated on iSO for a while too and still do sometimes , jsut a lot of xtra work to open it up design it then close it and not fuck it up in the process,haha but it will get eaiser after bout 10 or 15 , i strated to get it down better , not much beter im only at 18 now hehehe ,but i still fuck up a flair now and again and jstu makes me not want to do it again, I know there has to be a beter way to do it then Im doin it it takes a long time to close back down even with the padel who knows maybe im still jsut not gettin it hot enuf all at once I may blo tonight if im in shape for it after the party

[jethro]

devit huh? I thought that at first but couldnt get it to go away...I also got the lines inside about all the way to the surface where the "devit" is and thought maybe it was something coming off of the color from being overworked...too long in the flame.

that first piece was a headache took me about 2 hours,I was inspired by your encasement piece and decided to just draw lines and encase with a 12 mil rod...well It ended up being about 1/2" think and It took waaay too long to heat that up with my lil torch.

as for the marbles,I have no problems with pieces made with rod other than learning how colors work and figuring out where to place lines/dots for the desired effect.

Kinda funny I started out wanting to make pipes but I really enjoy making pendants and marbles much more.

Now im looking at other peoples small sculptures (insects,animals,skulls etc...)and trying to disect the pieces in my head and figure out how I can get into some of that.

Just kind of ironic that I have a small Chain of smoke shops (8 stores)willing to buy my pipes if I can get to a point where I'm happy enough with them to sell em.But all I want to make are the things I have no clue how to sell.

[HumanLathe]

Devit isn't fixable it is a molecular change in the glass, you can fire polish shill marks that are foggy but not devit.

[Glacier_Arts_Studio]

try this blow the bubble pretty thin and then open, fume, close, and blow out thinner and then do your dots ,guaranteed you'll see a huge difference.

yo jethro my friend, looking good and i like the advice everyone's given ya...
i guess i've not been paying attention lately to what's posted...

and i was about to post that you should do as HumanLathe said but he beat me two it...lol... i was wondering if anyone else had noticed that the fume was on the outside... hope that don't sound like i think i know anything because i know for sure that i know only enough to start knowing that i don't know anything worth knowing...

anyway, this is what i do, (right or wrong) flare the end, fume kinda heavy, close the end, blow out fairly thin and dot it up and reduce... bigger dots or littler dots, are about preference in my opinion, but keeping them uniform in size and spacing makes a piece i'm happier with when i'm done... i wish i had made it up your way this spring, i was looking forward to sharing... as i said in our pm, your welcome here anytime, just bring your torch, we will burn up the night.... i had to sell off all my older torches and my redmax to buy a used phantom...

pacing the floor...
watching the door...
no i'm not tweeked or geeked...
i'm just waiting on my GTT...lol...:twitch:

[jethro]

nah man for real the fume was inside on both just the first one was a fumed blank and some got on the outside (in the seam)when I went to seal it up and the second...well Im messy as hell closing down a flair and I either burned it off or closed it in the seam oh well more practice but for now its all about the pendants.

gotta focus on something i'm better at to get back some money to practice on the things I suck at.

[ShttrdSpctrm]

yo gotta practice stuff u suck at so u can get better at the things u suck at.
try fuming more silver into the piece before u close it. keep the peice open end pointed away from the flame tryin not to get any flame inside when closing ur flare. that way u dont burn off the silver from inside. hope that makes sence and helps any.

[jethro]

yo gotta practice stuff u suck at so u can get better at the things u suck at.

haha yea that too....but I also need to think about the increased child support that is now taking $240 out of every paycheck instead of the $70 it was before.

kinda puts a damper on my glass budget,so I need to figure out make the decent things pay for the crappy things until they are decent too.

but if not i'll keep learning...I just will run out of glass and gas more often.:bummed:

[HAGSTROM]

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[jethro]

so heres some more generic crap.

I was feeling pretty good about getting implosions down pretty good. (marbles were easy but I kept flattening my flowers too much at the end in pendants)

then I saw Hagstroms pendants on ebay and decided I need to get more original before I try to really put myself out there.even in the 5-10$ range.

and yea the flutterby isnt quite a flutterby yet but I need more gas before I can play more and they aint there till monday.

anybody in mid to western NC feel like letting me watch for an hour or so?

never seen anyone actually do any flameworking/glassblowing except at the renissance festival and the humboldt videos.I think just watching someone else for a minute would help in a million ways.


:o:

[CripSkillz]

doode i like thoes pendants specally the last one nice

[ShttrdSpctrm]

haha yea that too....but I also need to think about the increased child support that is now taking $240 out of every paycheck instead of the $70 it was before.

what happened , did you have another kid?

if you can watch someone, it mos def helps. im sure there's lampers where your at or close by.

[jethro]

what happened , did you have another kid?

if you can watch someone, it mos def helps. im sure there's lampers where your at or close by.


no more kids....not for the last 10 yrs anyway ...my lazy ass ex went and somehow got permanent disability...didn't mention this to me for over a year(when i got a nice letter with the court date),since the state of NY is paying her bills I should have been paying them instead of her so I got screwed out of a few grand basically.She claims she never got a cent...I havent had a checking account for about 8-9 yrs and stopped saving the money order reciepts a while ago.

it was all good for about a year because I was only paying 10$ a week extra...no biggie but then my job screwed up on a payment and they tried to demand all of it at once...I managed to get em to say ok to a much higher payment that doesnt leave me with shit to live on.

now that you have half my life story the bottom line is I'm a dumbass and should have kept some kind of proof.

live and learn right?

And yea I know of a few glassblowers in my area 1 I have talked to from here is cool as hell but is going through some personal things so i'm waiting for the timing to be right.

The other one I know personally and he always says "sure you can come down and watch when I feel motivated"....or "when I get back in the swing of things"....or whatever the excuse is today.I quit trying to go that route a while ago.

[CripSkillz]

HAHA thats how my buddy is lazy bastage hasnt made but liek 3 pices sence i started and never wants to make stuff still has to meke me my sick bubbler i have been waiten over 5 months for already, always has a few excuses handy:chilling:

[Glacier_Arts_Studio]

so heres some more generic crap.

I was feeling pretty good about getting implosions down pretty good. (marbles were easy but I kept flattening my flowers too much at the end in pendants)

then I saw Hagstroms pendants on ebay and decided I need to get more original before I try to really put myself out there.even in the 5-10$ range.

and yea the flutterby isnt quite a flutterby yet but I need more gas before I can play more and they aint there till monday.

anybody in mid to western NC feel like letting me watch for an hour or so?

never seen anyone actually do any flameworking/glassblowing except at the renissance festival and the humboldt videos.I think just watching someone else for a minute would help in a million ways.


:o:

first off, i've sold a lot worse than these... don't beat yourself up... my flower implosions suck ass and i've done a lot more than you...