a new boro rod making company

[xuli61]

i got this from ABR. Does anybody have experience with these rods ?

"There is a new kid on the block! Acme color has introduced nine new colors to the boro color world. From bright yellows to soft oranges, Acme color is a great way to add new hues to your artwork. From November 27th to December 2nd 2007, we are offering 20% off of Acme borosilicate color rod on web orders only. To be eligible for this great offer, you will need to put "Acme Sale" in the notes/comments box when you check out. No note means no discount---so don't forget! This offer does not apply to the already discounted 5lb bundles. While you will not see the discount in your shopping cart, it will be applied when your order is invoiced. Any overpayments made with Paypal will be refunded when your order is shipped. If you have any questions, feel free to contact us at 812-339-0147. You can find us on the web at:


http://www.abrimagery.com"

[mer]

yeah, that's posted in the glassified section. i was wondering if it's the same stuff i've been hearing about that's coming in from china. do you know anything about that xuli? i'm just guessing but i think that you might.

$30/lb isn't bad, i wonder how it works.

[xuli61]

i do not think they are from China and they must be from somewhere in the states.

[skip]

Ive tried it. Yellow was good. Green Ivy is a little wierd. There is another couple i got but dont remeber what the were. It was $15 ( i think) a pound at the Flame off

[Glacier_Arts_Studio]

at $30 a pound, it's not any cheaper than known sources of cheap color imo...
and for the way i'm feeling these days, i'm willing to pay more for americian
made... and i'm not so willing to take just anyone's word about any source...
i have a new thing in my life that i use a lot... it's allows me to research and
see for myself on many things... it's coming up on two years that i've been
on the net and it is also becoming easier for me to use...
please don't think that i'm dogging you or, anything...
i am just in a bad mood and my back is hurting so, i may be less of the nice
and understanding person that i truly am normally... plus, i am fed up with
cheap, under cutting import shit...

[Glassroots]

i'm willing to pay more for americian
made... and i'm not so willing to take just anyone's word about any source...


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[Glassroots]

i do not think they are from China and they must be from somewhere in the states.

you don't sound too sure. The price might be a clue since if it was made in china it would be little less expensive but who knows, I would ask ABR and see what they say. I thought you hate Boro anyway

[brettodie]

ill try and check this week but it might be being made in ann arbor mi. theres a new color company there. the guy who runs it has been making color formulas for GA for years now and is a real nice guy. i cant remember the name of his company though. ill dig out his number and give him a ring if i can find otherwise i wont know till next week. peace brett

[colonel4bin]

ACME Glassworks in Ann Arbor, MI. I've tried some of his colors, they are OK, I'm sure they will get better in time!

[susheke]

Coming from soft glass I only jump on a new company if it is offering new colors. All those colors look like they are already available. Am I wrong?

[andrew brown]

i think bretts got it... remember ojo rojo or somethin like that... is this the same color company that came out with the mystery trillium white? i tested it for them and never heard anything... worked ok but was never available or heard from again.. weird

andrew

[loydb]

I agree about only trying if they're actually something new in the palette -- and none of the colors I've seen from Acme look like anything really new. People need to stop making yet another red or yellow, and start filling in with some real purples, turquoise, etc.

[Turning Point Glass]

The color's only one variable, though. There's also workability, susceptibility to cracking, boiling, etc. White is white, but there are some whites that are better than others.

[brettodie]

ya the guy making them is a real nice guy then. he works real hard at what he does. the colors are different shades. i havnt used to many in the last little bit but the yellow is a very bright yellow. that was his white hes had a hard time finding good people to work with and finance him. so trying his colors out would help him out alot and give him more money to invest. also the feedback wouldnt hurt him at all. if you all want to leaave feedback here ill get it to him so he knows what the populace thinks. peace brett

[susheke]

True, workability is definitely a factor as well. Does he have a sample pack?

[Glacier_Arts_Studio]

i hope i didn't come across as annal this morning but, xuli61 you were a
bit, all over the spectrum with you beliefs... you were sounding like a "salesman" from a used car lot and every answer for ever customer...
you know the guy, no matter what you like, he likes it to and he got it
right over here... and you get there and you say "red, i did say red didn't i...???"
and the sales man says "but , you are going to love this green even more...!!!"
and that covers the attitude i had that seemed directed at you...

but the attitude about imports stands and i may have even held back a bit...
i also see more than a lot of others on that soap box... thank you, i expected as much of you all but, it was nice to hear anyway...



you don't sound too sure - made in china little less expensive but who knows, I would ask ABR and see what they say

and right, he sounded unsure - and didn't seem any cheaper really imo (with the killer sales right now) but, still unsure about price - and bingo on asking ABR... that voice is on the top shelf of authority along with many on this board...


the guy making them is a real nice guy - he works real hard - i havnt used to many in the last little bit - hard time finding good people to work with and finance him - trying his colors out would help him out alot - also the feedback wouldnt hurt him at all - ill get it to him so he knows what the populace thinks. peace brett

i am a nice guy too, for the most part - it's a thing we all try and not do but, we all work hard - now finding people that are worth having as workers can be a real challenge fo sho...!!! i'll say thats a given - helping is something i do as much as possible, after all, i have been the helper all my life and i do it with an open heart that usually gets crushed in the end but, i dust myself off and go back at it with a smile and a joke - i hope feedback is something he can deal with, i'm sure he'll get his fill around here - and while your getting this to him,
please ask him to become part of this community... we don't bite, accept upon request and except for those few occasions the trolls get loose...
thanks brett




True, workability is definitely a factor as well. Does he have a sample pack?

spoken like the goddess you are susheke... samplers and a banner here would
do loads... i would even go, as far as, saying that i'm down for a $20 sampler
anytime...

thanks to those that chimed in on this...
i was hoping it would turn out to be an
American source but, i was prepared
to pound on anymore import, being a poser...:wes: :tantrum: :wes: :tongue2:

[andrew brown]

so its the same person that had the trillium?
i tried the trillium out, posted pics on ga, thought it was nice and then never heard anyhting nothing of it, and it dissapeared..??
just wondering.. i dont think i saw a white though.

[bc]

ya the guy making them is a real nice guy then. he works real hard at what he does. the colors are different shades. i havnt used to many in the last little bit but the yellow is a very bright yellow. that was his white hes had a hard time finding good people to work with and finance him. so trying his colors out would help him out alot and give him more money to invest. also the feedback wouldnt hurt him at all. if you all want to leaave feedback here ill get it to him so he knows what the populace thinks. peace brett

I will not buy any colors from a 'new' company anymore. Sick an tired of being 'tested' on. Sure, would love to help out the new guy but at the end of the day when I pull out a stemless that I've worked on for 12 hours an it's all cracked where the 'new' white (or enter of colors) is, sorry from the company just don't cut it, neither does will give you 30% off your next order bc that don't cover lost wages, oxy waste, propane waste, clear waste etc. even if it's just a nice spoon, all that time an effort just to have new products not works= not interested in. Besides like others have said, there's a great yellow, red an orange out there. I'll let time tell on color companys 'new' products

[brettodie]

your choice wether you try new products or not. someone has to. how do you think all the nice colors you have now got here? when i started working glass in 96' there were very few good workable colors.
ive used all kinds of new colors over the years first batchs of all the crayon colors ect. no color company can test every color in every application. let alone take into account all the varibles of how various people work. i use a ton of colors that other people have continous problems with,and never have a problem.
i know the guy that does the mixing for acme uses all his own colors alot before he has people try them out. hes been working on these colors for 4-5 years now and has made color formulas for some of the major companys. youll never know how a color truely works till it hits the mass market and all types of people try it out. not every color out there is good for every application and not every user knows what their doing. me ill continue trying everything that comes out so i can see if I like it or not. other peoples opions help but you never really know until you use a color yourself.
i know the white disappeared because he was having some personal problems and had to take a break. as far as him coming on here hes not really a computer guy more of a glass chemistry nerd. he spends most of his time working on his color.
be happy with the fact we have another person willing to spend the time and energy to develop new colors for us. it wasnt always that way. peace brett

[menty666]

I import all of my glass... from out of state. Damn the fates for not putting a decent boro supplier in Massachusetts!!!!

Maybe I should open one...hmm....

Oh, and I agree, a 20.00 sampler would be pretty rockin'.

[susheke]

Oh do, I would support your shop. I'm in NH and would love to touch the glass before I buy.

[Greymatter Glass]

Also, from what I've heard none of this glass is really "new" it's just formulae that isn't made by other companies anymore because of certain legal, technical and/or interpersonal reasons. If it's who the rumors has it being, I think this will be some pretty good color.

I for one would be happy to test out new glass.... I don't care if it breaks, as long as it's free in exchange for notes. I wouldn't SELL anything I tested w/ unknown glass, but I'd be happy to help work out kinks.

So Brett, hook it up man, I'll pay shipping and send back mad notes on technical workability of it.

-Doug

[Acme Glassworks]

Its not chinese glass! Its made in the U.S., Michigan infact! Try it out, tell us what you think! Spread the word. And yes its the same guys that brought you Trillium White and its now available along with nine other colors.
www.acmeglasscolor.com

[Alfred]

but at the end of the day when I pull out a stemless that I've worked on for 12 hours an it's all cracked where the 'new' white (or enter of colors) is,

Um,:wtf1:are you using untried new colors on a headie for in first place ,duh!!!!I always test out new colors on prodo,or prototypes,if your to good for prodo.

[highroller]

Can someone please pm me Acme's phone # and email so I can contact them.I cant open the link for whatever reason.Thanx Todd

[Greymatter Glass]

734-327-5033

[Mike_Aurelius]

Is it just bad photography, or are those color rods really different colors? The Emerald Flash and Orange especially look really *weird* on the website.

Just a suggestion, but I think a closeup of a disc on the end of a rod would be a much better way to portray the color than just laying them out and having the flash or room lighting mess up the picture...