Looking for the creator

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

I know it's kind of higher end generic but I'm checking to see if I can get a claimer, it was purchased for $50 a Langerado this past weekend

[petto]

No body shot just a head shot? Take a pic of the whole piece. Could be anybody's reversal.

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

the bodies too dirty, it's a triangular body with three twisties laid really really nice, two match the reversal and the third is miami dolphins colors, it has a big mouth hole a good carb, AMAZING fume job with some dots of fume burnt of in a pattern, oh and it stands on end (mouthpiece) I guess that could help identify it the bowl is super thick the shaft is standard (it was sold as non-prodo)

[petto]

Ya dunno, pretty common style. The person who made it or someone close to them would have to ID it. Nice pc though.

[Dom]

Unless whoever made it sees this pic youll prolly never know.

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

i know it's a long shot but I was hoping maybe they post here, yea right but just maybe I'd really like to meet the guy and take some notes it really is amazingly clean and super uber nice

[Ninja fire]

Thats not generic, that's a masterpiece ....

[Dom]

Clean it out and take apic of the whole pipe.

It doesnt look like anything amazingly unique, just a nice chunky io spoon with nice latts and rainbow wigwag section

Should be easy to duplicate

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

maybe for you

[nodice]

....It doesnt look like anything amazingly unique, just a nice chunky io spoon with nice latts and rainbow wigwag section

Should be easy to duplicate

The rainbow wigwag kinda looks like that rainbow tube pull that sells for $90 a lb..... Makes ya wonder if the latt was baught too.

[petto]

Anyone who can pull tubes can duplicate that color. I have made rainbow tubes that look just like that. Nice looking prodo spoon though. Imagine they would sell pretty good.

[garrick]

The rainbow wigwag kinda looks like that rainbow tube pull that sells for $90 a lb..... Makes ya wonder if the latt was baught too.

its prodo but its really nice prodo. if you can make that spoon you can pull that tubing and make the cane also no problem.

[Ninja fire]

Since it's a simple prodo spoon, I would like to see any one of you
duplicate it or even come close... :)

[NUBBLET]

look around

[nodice]

Since it's a simple prodo spoon, I would like to see any one of you
duplicate it or even come close... :)

Just cause you can't do it, that doesn't mean noone else on here can. Not to sound too conceided, but I think I can make that pipe almost exactly like it is if I saw a few better pics(and if I had the right colors...), and I'm sure there are lots of other people on this forum who could too. It's an inside out pipe with a wig wag on the end! It kinda even looks like whoever made it burnt the silver off the dots. Not sayin that it's not a nice pipe, or that the person who made it doesn't take price in their work, but it's not the hardest thing in the world to make.

[Firekist]

awww, cmon.. make the pipe, and make a vid for the pipe.. don't back down with just words =)

z---seth

[nodice]

Are you sayin you couldn't do it=)?

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

Ive been trying for three days with table scrap, I can barely wig wag but damned if If not trying for a sick rainbow reversal

[Sebastian]

Just cause you can't do it, that doesn't mean noone else on here can. Not to sound too conceided, but I think I can make that pipe almost exactly like it is if I saw a few better pics(and if I had the right colors...), and I'm sure there are lots of other people on this forum who could too. It's an inside out pipe with a wig wag on the end! It kinda even looks like whoever made it burnt the silver off the dots. Not sayin that it's not a nice pipe, or that the person who made it doesn't take price in their work, but it's not the hardest thing in the world to make.

true that.

[Ninja fire]

Are you sayin you couldn't do it=)?

Nodice, you're right, that piece is out of my league... Could you make
a piece similar to it please... also, Please don't respond with words but a pic of
your attempt :)

[nodice]

Really man, I don't have the right colors, I don't normally make stuff with tube pulls, and I wouldn't waste my time or money getting the color to replicate a peice that is someone elses prodo. He can probably do it better/quicker then me right now, and it would take practice for me to replicate it. I'm just sayin that I know I could make almost that exact peice if I wanted. I don't need to make one to prove it. Just sayin, it's not that special, and a lot of people around here could replicate it if they took the time. The person who made that probably makes 12+ of them a day, and you call it a masterpeice....

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

I agree with nodice, Sinbad you should see these things in shops everywhere if you sell to the shops in the same dade county I go to shops in

[somewhere]

Nodice, you're right, that piece is out of my league... Could you make
a piece similar to it please... also, Please don't respond with words but a pic of
your attempt :)

Ok if your looking for a custom piece I'll make it for you. How's $50 sound?
I'm serious when I say: there are hundreds of us at that level and above what exactly is the point of your challenge.

[nodice]

I agree with nodice, Sinbad you should see these things in shops everywhere if you sell to the shops in the same dade county I go to shops in

I use to live down there man. Do you ever hit shops in boca/ft lauterdale? I know someone that might be kind to you if you go to his shop, and if there's a tritech down there(it might just be in the tampa area?), I could probably get you a good price on oxy......... If there is:), just tell em(tritech) you work with jeff's glass and he said that you should get the same deal. Last I checked it was something like $14 a k tank including charges....

peace

[Ninja fire]

Yea, i know a lil about glass shops and local shows like langerado, area 51
and ultra... etc.. I was just kinda hoping that maybe, just maybe, I could for once see
a pic of an attempt of a piece that someone said was simple prodo... guess
I was wrong... :( sorry...I'll get back to work now !!!

[Dom]

Dude, it is simple prodo, nothing special.

I could make one in about 20 minutes, but I rarely mix colored sections with weak inside out work. Just my taste.

On that note, Sativa dont get discouraged, once you blow glass a little longer you will look at that pipe and think to yourself "why did I ever want to replicate that piece of shit"

[petto]

Reversal head spoons have been prodo for years, look around GP or anywhere, it's everywhere. I used to make about 50 flip heads a week as prodo. I don't even know why I am writing this really.......................... Many people here and elsewhere make this kinda stuff every day........Whatever

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

Yeah but when my best reversal was an accident that things is really great inspiration plus its one of my best safety devices

[petto]

"why did I ever want to replicate that piece of shit"
That made my day, funny stuff dBDom

[petto]

Hey Sativa, its great pactice for sure, don't get me wrong. However in a couple months after you get it nailed you'll be like "thats easy". Stick with it you'll be throwing em down soon. Its getting all the little basics down that seems to take so long. Once you have those you an start putting them all together and you will be amazed at what you come up with.

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

yeah and it's a bitch to work with table scrap

[petto]

true true, but I have seen some nice "scrap" pcs.

[petto]

This was a "scrap" pc I did like 4 yrs ago out of some leftover frit tube from a projet.

[Dom]

That made my day, funny stuff dBDom


Its amazing, what I thought was good once, and Ive had this attitude about many many pieces.

On the other hand, I used to look at galleries and hate the pieces. Now those same galleries are my favorites.

Dont worry sativa, youll get over that IO craze soon. It seems like everyone who gets into glass blowing, at first all they wanna make is inside out spoons. Youll get sick of em soon enough.

[nodice]

...I could make one in about 20 minutes...

I'd like to see a video of that. It takes me like 30 minutes to do a tube pull(I don't do them often...). Course then I'd probably have enough to make more then 10 spoons. After making the tube pull and points, and pulling the lat, each spoon would probably take 30 minutes to make. It's not a 7 minute onie that someone might normally make which is easy to make a vid of, and I'm not sayin it's not nice(or a peice of art), or that someones 7 minute onie isn't nice. Just sayin that a lot of people around here could do it, and noone needs to prove it.


....On the other hand, I used to look at galleries and hate the pieces. Now those same galleries are my favorites.....

Ya, sometimes I wonder if a $10000 peice is any better then a wrap/rake spoon. Each is unique in their own way, each might be prodo to the person who makes it, and each might be loved by the person who owns it. What makes a $10000 peice better then a $5 peice? Is it cause someone throws 20 reverse balls with dicro and honeycomb or whatever on it? I've seen a lot of "headie" peices made by certain people that sell for a lot, and they're all a little different, but still the same......... A lot of the "headie" peices have devit on them, or bubbles, or whatever that the wrap rake doesn't. Does that make the wrap/rake better? Not saying that each isn't nice in their own way, but that they are both nice in their own way, and that just cause something takes longer to make, or is harder to make for certain people, that doesn't necessarily make it any better. At least that's my .02 cents. The person I learned to make pipes from once said:), no matter how hard you try, you can never make the exact same thing, and that's what makes it art. Not the price, or the time involved.

[Dom]

Sorry, I thought it was obvious that time estimate is with all the prep done, meaning having a wigged cap and latts ready.

And I wasnt saying that the piece in question is actually a piece of shit, its just funny how you might think that once you look back in a year or two

[Ninja fire]

Still doubt even one of you can do it...

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

and thats what makes you the greatest third generation master glassblower around, mad props no go do some work

[nodice]

Still doubt even one of you can do it...

This coming from a person who's quote is, "please... don't hate !!!" Go make some zong looking waterpipes that are thin as hell, and throw some donuts in em. And yes, I could do that too:).

[garrick]

Still doubt even one of you can do it...

you know what you are the only person here who constantly feels the need to prove themselves, i think i read that you mentioned you are married somewhere i bet she is really satisfied while you are trying to "challenge" people on the internet all fucking day. get a fucking life. ive ignored you about as long as i can, the only reason you are here is because you crave the attention weather it is good or bad and i think its very clear that you dont have many fans in this place if at all. the spoon in question in this thread is nice but it is prodo and like many people mentioned already most of us could duplicate it. but i highly doubt anybody is gonna take the time to pull a whole full color tube just to make one pipe out of 2 or 3 inches of it just to satisfy your bullshit. you can post your slapped together non functional tubes and talk out both sides of your mouth till the fucking cows come home and the only thing you are gonna accomplish is making yourself look worse.

and thats all i gotta say im thru even wasting my time reading the bullshit you post.

[Alfred]

Still doubt even one of you can do it...

WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM DUDE!!!!Stop insulting people and being a Glasshole (http://www.thegldg.com/wiki/Glasshole)!


Yes I can make them,have made several hundred,no, I won't because the distributer that comes thru here gets them WAY cheaper(import/sweatshop) than I'm willing to make them for,not worth my time.

[Ninja fire]

I know there are many on gp.org and on here that can make that
piece, but none of the people talking about it are amoung
them... I knew I would hear big talk rather then someone turning
on the torch and coming close... Where I come from if a glassblower
puts out a challenge, it's met with glass... guess this new internet
thing brings out all the wanna bee's...all you guys do is critizise and
critique, me ? I make glass for a living....

don't show coil pot pics.... just the piece you said was EZ... I'll
bet you anything, that I only get insulted with words but not
an attempt at that spoon... show me how EZ it is, that will shut
me up !!!

I'm not bragging, I'm just sayin' stop hating on other artists hard work...

[NUBBLET]

I gave one simular to a buddy of mine . But it has windows between the rev colors . It has the I/O work too . I actually really like the piece , almost kept it , but I hadnt seen him in 10 + years , and he was wounded in Iraq so . We use it daily , sweet fume , he is color blind and the fume is what attracted him , he compared it to the wispy clouded sky . Its mostly blue but has trippy waves and such in it .

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

Sinbad your sucha piece of shit, don't even label your attitude as an area thing, as far as I know your the only one like you that I've come across round here so far, No ones hating your 'hard' work until you open your BIG ASS mouth, you dumb shit, I dont care if anyone thinks this is an unworthy attack on his personal character, Im new to glass I can't do reversals yet and I still think you're a fucking dousche bag and I'd appreciate you not answering to anymore of my threads

[HOSS]

This forum has an "Ignore" feature I suggest taking advantage of, It will automatically filter out all messages posted by obnoxious trolls on your list. Fortunately they are rare around here but its very handy I haven't had to read an annoying time-wasting Spinbad post in months! :D

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

omfg you my friend are the shit, I cant tell you how tired I am of watching my posts get jacked by his ego

[nodice]

I'm not gonna make this pipe, and I know I said I have nothing to prove, but I have some old pics layin around just to show that I can twist up the end of a spoon, and do inside out work, cause this my regular prodo stuff.... The spoon with color in it is a tube pull. It was the second tube pull I ever made, and I made the whole spoon out of it. I might have made 5 tube pulls in my life. I can connect two peices of glass though, pull some latt, and even melt it in(unlike someone who I'm not gonna waste my time harshing on anymore even though he's callin me a liar).

[Lurch]

your spoons look good man

[yinzer]

why do you people bite this shit every time?????? by getting you to bite, he wins. i cant believe i even posted anything serious in this thread...

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

man I FUCKING HATE YOU SINBAD, IF I SEE YOU ON THE STREETS..... jack my thread you piece of shit I am so hunting your IP right the fuck now

[Ninja fire]

man I FUCKING HATE YOU SINBAD, IF I SEE YOU ON THE STREETS..... jack my thread you piece of shit I am so hunting your IP right the fuck now

i sent u an IM ;)

[SunDawgee]

im gonna chime in and hopefully not get addicted to this thread or argumant or whatever.

comparing art is like talking politics. endless circles. so many things to compare its crazy.

i find nijas stuff to be high end production. like the stuff you saw in the 90s. but with him living in miami and having a rep as being the local glass blower guy i bet hes really successfull. but is success just sales??

now i just started blowing glass agin after over 7 yrs off the torch. my style is also stuck in the 90s. so if i did a bunch of sales, would you all hate on me cause my stuff isnt inside out or stuff and puffs??

now i dont know all the history that leads up to this thread but id say ninja comes off real arrogant for his level of skill and i also think some of you others come off just as arrogant for ragging on someones skills.

think of the amazing artist who sits there broke while someone else gets paid mega bucks to paint a ronald mcdonald mural. both guys have to feed their family. sometimes you pay a high price to find your own success.

dont be jealous of someones style if it is amazing. just keep learning till your happy with your own stuff. also dont be jealous of someone who you may consider less artistic than you even if they market themselves and have a high self opinion of themselves.

basically. lets just all lathe a bong. i mean get along.

and yes i hate when people say "oh that is so easy" or "that is so production" when they dont have the pics of stuff to back up being that arrogant.

the second you close a door on someone else, you also close it on yourself.

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

Hoestly take the threat for what it is the cause of your glassholdom, I just wanted to know who made the piece and in you come with your fucking challenge and your im better than you shit, man seriously please just stay off my threads I post for help not to read 4 pages of your shit storm you ASSHOLE

[garrick]

lol, i can see the police report now. "suspect stated that victim jacked his thread"

[Lurch]

lol, i can see the police report now. "suspect stated that victim jacked his thread"

hahahahaha :D :D :D

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

even i couldnt resist rolling on the floor that was too funny

[yinzer]

lol, i can see the police report now. "suspect stated that victim jacked his thread"

blahaha

[The Cheese]

Oh my, that was a fun read...

There's something to be said for SunDawgee's post.

Now to peice this pipe together...

What's a tube pull? <-Probably a dumb question, but gotta learn somehow

And a reversal? <- Too many mentions to understand what it actually is, can someone clarify please?

Now if a complete noob (if you cuoldn't tell) wanted to go about trying that wig wag section, where would I start? Lines on the end of a point? Just trying to figure it out and if I can bring this thread back to life in the process, all the better I guess.

Thanks.
Gp
:chilling:

[The Cheese]

Nice looking pipe by the way... Someday...

[murf]

Nodice very nice posted work. love the picture of the last 5 pipes.

[Firekist]

"reversal" is a term used, sometimes misleading, refering to a wig=wag section. ie, the thing on the face of the spoon in quiestion

tube pull- making lots of colored line tubing all at once.. usually so the tube can be sectioned up, and twsted into reversals.

yes, lines on the end of a point would be one way to try it. lines on the inside is another.. "easier" way with boily colors.

z---seth

[Firekist]

well sinbad? do you think nodice could put a wigwag on the front of a spoon or what?
how about me? http://www.glasspipes.org/Gal2699_late_august_03.asp
http://www.glasspipes.org/Gal6771_october_november_03.asp

those are from 03. i started in 02, and i rarely do reversals.

i'm not in the top 100, or even close. gp.org is nice, but it's not a good way to judge who you're talking with.

z---seth

[Lurch]

Oh my, that was a fun read...

There's something to be said for SunDawgee's post.

Now to peice this pipe together...

What's a tube pull? <-Probably a dumb question, but gotta learn somehow

And a reversal? <- Too many mentions to understand what it actually is, can someone clarify please?

Now if a complete noob (if you cuoldn't tell) wanted to go about trying that wig wag section, where would I start? Lines on the end of a point? Just trying to figure it out and if I can bring this thread back to life in the process, all the better I guess.

Thanks.
Gp
:chilling:


No dumb questions!

Tube pull= basically making your own full colored tube to be used. There are a couple of methods posted up on this board. basically you take a bunch of colored rods layed out in the pattern of your choosing. Get a big chunk of clear tube and attach a blowtube. Now lay on your color (Enitre rod thick) in the pattern you set out. Now you can either sleeve this with a tube that it wide enough to fit over your colored tube or you can lay clear rods down over the color... either way you are encasing the color that you layed down with the clear. Now heat this up to throughly fuse it together starting at one end (Most important if you sleeved it) to work out any air trapped from one end to the other. Keep puffin in your blowtube to keep the walls even. When your clear and color and clear behind the color have become one.... Strech it out into a tube (You can control the thickness of the walls to your liking), and cut it in half. I anneal the tube before I use it. So throw it in the kiln and pull it out after the kiln has cooled. Now you have a full color tube to do what you want with.

Reversal= You can do this with stringers laid in an I/O.... or you just made a color tube... lets use that! Take a section of your full color tube, cut like 4 inches off and attack a blowtube. Now starting at one end sprial the pattern a good full 3 twists (becareful not to let the glass fold on itself, so work slow and in small sections) now after the twists have firmed up start your wig wag. wig the opposite way of your spiral twists (but just a gentle wig) they wag the other way next to it (again gentle) then wig, wag, wig, wag, (Make sure these wig wags look like waves, they don't have to be sharp switches) and the 3 twist spiral the opposite end. Now starting at the end you did the first sprial to, start heating this area and using gravity and conatat little puffs, work this pattern into a ball... this is how thw wig-wags take on the sharp switchbacks. When you have your paterrn into a ball, blow at hole at 90 degress from your blowtube. Attach a new blowtube at the hole, remove your orignal blowtube and now you have your reversal! Make what you want with it.

Hope that answers your questions. If you poke around on the different threads you can find more information about each of the techs.

[CripSkillz]

seth wins the picture contest hands down, heheh but they all dope,,

[Swampy]

Great thread, what a concept and yet another point of departure for an all-embracing art of the future, continuously developed by the cooperation of many minds.

[The Cheese]

Four months of reading these threads and I think I finally understand those two things now. Thanks for the excellent descriptions folks. Much appreciated.

[murf]

Been reading this thread and have enjoyed the work. the description of Reversal above has made me think. I never have wig wag a spiral in my attempts. At least not a good full 3 twists, maybe that whats been lacking in my work, so thanks will try it out.

[Lambs Bread]

this is a joke right ninja is a loser way to talk your self up and yet u defend a production spoon

[Uscalus Storm]

br?