Hot Glass Mastery: Video Review

[Mr. Wonka]

Hi everyone.

Before I start with reviewing the content of the video itself, I should mention the following: Craig Bellinger is not a glass worker, and he contracted Dustin Revere to produce this video series. I’m sure that is common knowledge to many, but I thought it should be reiterated.

In an effort to put any rumors to the test, I offered Craig the opportunity to send me a copy of the DVD’s for review. Although he told me they were in the mail last week, I did not receive any videos from Craig Bellinger / Hot Glass Mastery, nor did I receive any return e-mails, which makes me question if a paying customer would receive them on time (or at all for that matter). Dustin had to step up to the plate and send them to me via next day air so they would be here on time.

The videos I received looked nothing like what is shown on the web site (as far as packaging), so I can’t vouch for what you will receive if you choose to order them.

This series was reviewed by the following people who agreed to watch it without any bias or preconceived notions

Tom Doner (Mr. Wonka)
Andrew Moch (The Moch)
Jeff (Citizen Not)
Cristi (Yinzer)
Dan (A glass worker / not a member of this forum)
Megan McCarl (Wonka’s intern / apprentice)


Part 1: Offhand Glass Blowing

Due to time restraints, I am the only one who watched the first 4 videos which are about offhand glass blowing and of course were filmed in a hot shop.

Glass Blowing 101: (6 min. 14 sec.)

This video is a quick tour of a hot shop consisting of video and still photos of equipment that is used. It is (poorly) narrated and not nearly long enough. If you’ve ever seen the inside of a hot shop you won’t be impressed.

Fundamental Techniques and Practice Exercises: (11 min. 28 sec.)

Dustin Revere and his assistant Arlo create a clear cup / tumbler. The lighting was poor and the video was far too short.

Basic shapes: (42 min. 40 sec.)

I’ve never seen furnace worked glass before, and although the lighting could have been better, it was an interesting video to watch being narrated well with no background noise. Some of the topics included shaping a clear bubble and flaring, proper use of jacks, making a bowl, amphora bottle, and a triangular pitcher with a handle.

The narration also included some history of blown glass which was well done.

Decorative and Advanced Glass Blowing: (42 min. 3 sec.)

Dustin and Arlo demonstrate multiple color overlays and create 2 vases… one of them with a lip wrap. Also shown was a bit pull (coil potting), a fluted bowl using clear glass rolled in powder, and also a solid sculpture of a human hand on the end of the blow pipe using cup shears and tweezers, which came out really nice. I also enjoyed this video from a beginner’s standpoint.

*As a noob in the area of hot glass, I don't feel I am qualified to critique any of the techniques (good or bad) that were demonstrated in the above mentioned videos. I will say that while I never had an interest in trying offhand work, it looks like it would be fun to play with for a day or two.



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Part 2: Lampworking

Overview / overall rating:

As much as I would have liked to give this part of the series an overall good review, I can’t put my reputation at risk and be dishonest. Without a doubt, the claims made on Hot Glass Mastery (dot com) truly misrepresent the product by over exaggerating in many ways what can be learned from this set, starting with the statement on the web site that reads: “100% guaranteed to have even the most rookie glassblower 'Up-And-Running' and creating amazing glass art in 3 days or less”.


Lampworking 101: (7 min. 20 sec.)

This is a video of various tools (kiln, graphite pad, Quick couplers, regulators, etc.). Poor narration and background noise make it less appealing to watch, but at less than 10 minutes long that wasn’t much of an issue.

Fundamental Techniques & Practices for Lampworking. (7 min. 33sec.)

This video was mostly shot at double speed which is a neat concept to skip the boring parts. Topics covered: cleaning your rod with Windex, tweezing off the bad end of a rod, opening the end of a tube, welding 2 rods together, and pulling a point. The descriptions were good, and there was no background noise, but it was very disappointing for a video to be less than 8 minutes long. Artist: Rita Revere.

Fundamental Techniques for Bead Making: (1 hr. 32 min.)

Harlan Simon does a fantastic job with making the work piece visible to the camera at all times, which was appreciated by the audience. His explanations were informative and had very good content, but the unfortunate thing was that it was mostly inaudible… the microphone picked up the hissing of the torch and other background noise. The noise overpowered the content so much, we moved on to the next video.

Fundamental Techniques for Marble Making: (6 min. 40 sec.)

Kaj Beck walks you through the steps of cleaning your rod with Windex, gathering a blob of clear glass, and shaping it in an infinite rim marble mold to make a clear marble approximately ¾” diameter. Although audible, the noise (and people visible in the background) only detracts from any educational value.


Lampworking Basic Objects: (1 hr. 22 min.)

Rita Revere demonstrates a variety of techniques, starting with making basic Marias on an 8 mm (?) rod. The video starts with excellent narration and music in the background. Next up is a blown perfume bottle. Approximately 5 minutes into the video, the music stops, and so does the narration.

We thought someone had hit the mute button on the remote control, but evidently this is how it was filmed… there still is some narration throughout the video, but not enough to keep you interested or well informed.

Other items made are:
-Clear chillum (unfinished: still on the tube)
-Basic I/O jar
-Wrap and rake spoon (no narration at all, and unfinished: still on the tube)
-Mixing color (VERY limited narration)
-Clear Bubbler (Dustin Revere) Good narration and camera angles, no background noise at all, and very informative for a beginning glass worker.

Basic Bead Shapes: (39 min. 11 sec.)

This is another soft glass mandrel bead video featuring Harlan Simon… this time with better sound quality. Basic techniques / topics covered:

-Square bead
-Cylinder / Barrel / Bi-Cone bead
-Tungsten rake bead / flattened
-Dot pattern / heart / floral


Advanced Marble Making: (48 min.)

Kaj Beck shows how to make a mushroom pendant. Although this technique can be used to make a marble, it is not shown or described. There is some background activity (noise and people, although it is not very distracting) and the overall sound quality is satisfactory.


Topics Covered:

-Implosion marble *Note- The artist wasn’t happy with a trapped air bubble, so instead of editing it out or re-shooting it, you have to watch it again from the beginning… a big negative from the screeners.

-Twist Marble: outside color / spiral, peacock swirl
-Vortex Marble

Advanced Lampworking: (24 min. 34 sec.)

Dustin Revere demonstrates the stick stack method to create colored tube (without clear encasement), which is later formed into a goblet cup and foot and a stem added to complete the piece. This is probably one of the best videos in the series, as it is narrated very well with no background noise (just pleasant / mellow music).

I feel that there was good use of split screen video, although it was a bit confusing as to which portion of the video (right and left) that the narration applied to.

Advanced Bead Making: (32 min. 48 sec.)

Harlan Simon does another good job of explaining soft glass bead / mandrel techniques, but the sound quality is poor and the auto focus camera makes it difficult (and at times unpleasant) to watch.

Murrini Making: (51 min. 35 sec.)

Dave Strobel demonstrates the art of making Murrini, The techniques are there, but as the demonstration / instruction progresses, the torch and background noise overpowers the educational value of what is being taught.




Overview:
My goal in reviewing this video series was to be fair and unbiased. I would like to thank Dustin for sending us the videos, and everybody who took their valuable time to attend, watch the videos, and give their input as well.

In my opinion, the overall view of this series falls very short of what training videos should contain for the following reasons:

1-It is completely misrepresented on the web site (www.hotglassmastery.com)

2-Most of it is too advanced for those with no experience

3-It is too basic for those who have any lampworking experience.

4-It does not have the video, audio, or educational value that similar videos contain.


Thanks for listening.

Tom Doner
(724) 791-2100

[Meerkat]

Thank you Wonka, that was a pefect review and told me exactly what I wanted to know (which I already suspected) that it wouldnt even be worth my time.

What actually really annoys me is that this is represented as 10 or more multiple DVDs of instruction, when instead it turns out that many of them are short videos under 10 mins.

To anyone reading this that is just starting out, there are a lot of really good videos out there for far cheaper. I have one, and I cant think of the name, and its packed away right now, but it's something like Essential Marble Making and it goes into really solid technical detail with excellent camera work and excellent audio showing you how to make around 15 differnt types of marble styles.

Also the two volume book set called Contemporary Lampworking by Dunham only costs around $70 for both volumes and will teach you everything you need to know to start off and basically everything to become an advanced lampworker.

Invest your money in something that will pay you back...

[garrick]

well there is the last nail in the coffin, i agree about the length of the videos are ridiculous, why not just pile it all into 1 dvd? except for the fact that they couldnt charge more than 50 bucks for it.

like i said before i dont know much about dustin but if i was him i would have been here two days ago explaining my involvement with the project cause from what ive observed he has quite a reputation to uphold and this doesnt do him any favors.

and thanks for taking the time to review this wonka and others. hopefully it will save people some hard earned money.

[LewisW]

I would like to know one thing from that guy "Cutter" . What was the package set looking like? Did each DVD have a cover that was the same as is on the web site.
DO THOSE COVERS EVEN EXIST.?
Why was Wonka not sent the actual DVDs from Craig/Cory?
Well?
Lewis C Wilson

[Glass Pyro]

Thanks Wonka. Well Craig.........Say something

[Greymatter Glass]

Wow.

I guess the review of the content didn't surprise me, as I'd watched all the preview clips already and knew what to expect...

But am I right in reading that the length of some of the DVD's were really under 10 minutes?

I bet this forum has seen the last of Dustin Revere and Craig Bellinger - I doubt either will respond to any criticism on this forum at the very least. Of course we represnt a small portion of glass artists out there, and we hardly represent the 1st day greenies who this is marketed to...if they do it right they'll probably sell thousands of copies, and then what do they care what we think?

Anyways, thanks for putting up with that Wonka, maybe we can watch them at AGI?

-Doug

[CraigBellinger]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I don't want to speak for Dustin but I'm pretty sure he will
agree with me that Tom's review was extremely harsh.

To date we have sold well over 70 copies of 'Hot Glass Mastery'
and we have only had 1 refund (and it was due to a pricing issue,
not product content)

Not only that, but we have received a whole lot of ethusiastic
praise from the people who bought.

Truth be told, I wasn't expecting a steller review from Tom. Put
any information product under the microscope with a critical
mindset and you are bound to come up with dozens of 'things that
could have been done better'.

'Hot Glass Mastery' was a MASSIVE project and the truth is there
is no other resource out there that covers BOTH lampworking &
furnace glass... and there is no question in my mind that the package
has immense value to anyone interested in the craft.

Bottom Line?

'Hot Glass Mastery' is backed by a 90-day double your money back
guarantee...

Try it out for a full 90 days. Take your time. If you don't love it...don't
keep it.

I know it sounds ridiculous but send it back and I will send you double
your money back.

I'm not a dumb business-guy. And there's a reason behind such a
solid guarantee.

Why not find out without risking a penny?


-Craig

[newmexicomagma]

well i do know tom is a straight forward guy and has probably seen close to all the videos out there. i would say his opinion would be a great one for you to consider. he has alot of credit in the glass industry and has done alot for it. i didnt see his review as harsh more as i saw it truthful. havent watched the vids have no want too, and am going to trust toms opinion on reffering to anyone.

[phab]

...tom thanks to you and the group that took the time to watch the videos with an open mind. funny how craig bellinger continues to defend its content after it was reviewed by professionals. instead of asking, "what can i do to make the product better"?, he just insists that he wasnt expecting much... "i wasnt expecting a stellar review from tom" and that "toms review was extremely harsh"

Not only that, but we have received a whole lot of ethusiastic
praise from the people who bought.

...its a shame there wasnt any enthusiastic praise from people who KNOW which end of a glass rod is hot. go away, go far far away.

[PyroChixRock]

Wow. Thanks tom for such an in depth and honest review.

I can tell you, from knowing tom for MANY years, that his review was not harsh. I'm 100% sure he wanted to come back here with nothing but the best news for everyone, but gave an honest review because that's the job he set out to do. This is why our staff chose him to review these videos, over say me who would have just said, "hey don't buy them, buy this instead" after seeing it if I didn't like it heh. But here you got real info.

You'll have an answer to what you emailed about before this all started shortly.

[Alfred]

From what I read of Tom's review the most favorable responses were,for the most part, for the parts that Dustin contributed.I don't see where Craig gets off saying the review was harsh at all ,and find it hilarious that his post in response is still nothing more than a sales pitch.
Craig why don't you answer the question as to why Tom had to get his copies from Dustin?You did agree to send him copies,not what I'd expect from a smart businessman.

[menty666]

Smartflix has videos on both flameworking and furnace glass. If you don't like it, you're out 10 bucks for the rental. They aren't international, but they aren't shilling 10 minute movies either.

I gotta say the phrase "...well over 70 copies..." makes me laugh a bit. Why not say "close to a hundred" if you want to try to sound at least a little impressive. What you chose was just odd.

[themoch]

'Hot Glass Mastery' was a MASSIVE project and the truth is there
is no other resource out there that covers BOTH lampworking &
furnace glass... and there is no question in my mind that the package
has immense value to anyone interested in the craft.

have you ever heard of the phrase "a little goes a long way"?

Focusing on smaller portions might have been better then trying to bite off the full gamut of glassblowing.

I'm not going to judge your videos on the total material covered, because if it actually covered what it said clearly (which at some points it does) you wouldn't have a "harsh" review from tom. Quite frankly I'm going to be much harsher right now.

There are a great many things I could say but I will focus on the minor things that could have made these videos great with the material you've already shot. I feel that most of these things could be fixed in post production. And if at any time you want to think the phrase "what does this fool know about video editing?" I have a piece (soon to be two) in the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC. (section 105 under the nosecone of the 747). Go check it out. Hell I’ll come down and give you the tour.

The majority of my problems stemmed from the fact that I could just not clearly hear what was being said. Sometimes it was because of the zoom mic (on the camera) picking up the torch or background noise. Other times it was because the person wasn't even talking to the camera. What should have been done here was to remove the audio (like was done in some of the videos) and put music down as an audio bed. Then take the 9min to record what was going on in a QUIET (note, no trains in the background) room. it doesn't have to be a sound room or anything else like that, just quiet.

I’m completely honest when I tell you that I had to walk out of one of the videos because the hissing from the background noise was giving me a headache.

What totally confuses me is that in some of the videos it looks like this was done, and it was done really well, and then other's it was like, "oh shit, we've sold DVDs where it says we'll show this, and we only have 5 days to get 3 topics covered". (see tom’s comments about advanced marbles)

Please believe me when I say that I saw some great potential in some of these videos. But they were only 80% finished and not taken to the full 100% they could have been.

So after that’s been said I’ll let know what I personally thought of the work as a whole:
I would not buy this or recommend any other person to buy this in it’s current state.

It does have its good moments, and for that reason it was hard to come to the conclusion that it just was not a well done piece. The hype from the website greatly exceeds what is actually on the videos. I know there’s a 90$ something price tag on all of the videos. But come on, let’s be realistic, there is no way in hell you’d pay $90 for some dude to walk you around a hot shop, or lamp studio, and have them tell you what 10 of the items are and then say goodbye to you after 9 min. You can walk into any shop and ask the owner and they’ll tell you for free, and you get to see it first hand.

The level of professionalism was just not there in the majority of the work I saw. I know this was done on a tight budget and limited time. But let me point out another video that we watched as an intermission. I believe it’s called Glass Masters. Now the entire DVD was a spoof but it had titles, chapters, good camera angles, clear explanations of what they were doing (although it was ludicrous), and was short and to the point. Not to mention there’s a legit technique at the very end that blew me away (it took 30 seconds to show).

Here’s a comparison of another video that shows similar techniques to the ones in the Glass Mastery. Lewis Wilson’s Crystal Myths video on making beads. He shows how to make VERY similar beads to the ones in Glass Mastery. What are the differences you might ask? Well for one, and this is probably the biggest one for me, you could hear him clearly. The second is he talked about what he was doing the entire time instead of just sitting there and working. He even points out where he made mistakes and how he was fixing them. Third, he finished the bead in 7 min leaving ample time to show other work with the other 80 min of the DVD. In Glass Mastery I believe it took 30 something min to make a dotted bead. Now, the guy presenting the bead had amazing camera angles, and knew a ton about what he was doing. I just couldn’t hear him. It is really a shame too because I knew what he was saying was important, but I already knew what he was talking about. A beginner watching the same clip is not going to catch all the things about COE and color choices, etc.

I almost feel robbed and I didn’t even pay for these.

So my opinion is that you could fix these videos up, and you SHOULD fix them up. I would take the few extra hours and polish these things up so that they can be something worth the $200.

Dustin, please don’t take my comments as a personal attack. I have tried to point out some things that can be done to fix the DVDs and in a quick turn around time without spending money, just a little time. As was pointed out above, I think the sections you and your wife were directly involved in were the best pieces I watched.

Craig: I have no idea why you’d offer to send videos and then not send them. That was a terrible move on your part. It looked as though you were trying to build trust, and then you just disappeared.

Lewis: The DVDs we got were in a padded DVD case, most likely for shipping. Each disc had it’s own printed label on it. They all had “master copy” written on them. So I can’t clearly say how the cases might look.

Thanks for reading I know that was a lot.

[yinzer]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I don't want to speak for Dustin but I'm pretty sure he will
agree with me that Tom's review was extremely harsh.

To date we have sold well over 70 copies of 'Hot Glass Mastery'
and we have only had 1 refund (and it was due to a pricing issue,
not product content)

Not only that, but we have received a whole lot of ethusiastic
praise from the people who bought.

Truth be told, I wasn't expecting a steller review from Tom. Put
any information product under the microscope with a critical
mindset and you are bound to come up with dozens of 'things that
could have been done better'.

'Hot Glass Mastery' was a MASSIVE project and the truth is there
is no other resource out there that covers BOTH lampworking &
furnace glass... and there is no question in my mind that the package
has immense value to anyone interested in the craft.

Bottom Line?

'Hot Glass Mastery' is backed by a 90-day double your money back
guarantee...

Try it out for a full 90 days. Take your time. If you don't love it...don't
keep it.

I know it sounds ridiculous but send it back and I will send you double
your money back.

I'm not a dumb business-guy. And there's a reason behind such a
solid guarantee.

Why not find out without risking a penny?

http://www.HotGlassMastery.com

-Craig

i shouldn't have, but i stopped at this post to respond. so if this is covered already, i apologize.

actually, tom's review was FAR from harsh. he worded it wonderfully in my eyes and took it as easy as possible. every one IS entitled to their own opinion, however. it was not only tom who viewed it, but my husband, our friend, myself, mr.moch, and toms apprentice. notes were taken during the entire viewing and pretty much ALL 6 people agreed on EVERYTHING.

the video quality was only worth watching when either dustin or rita were on camera(i did not watch hotshop videos). to be nice (i assume) tom left out the part where during two separate videos, i had stated that it was so loud and blurry it made me want to vomit and i had to leave the room for a few moments. this was coupled by one of the viewers and myself complaining at the same that it was giving us a headache. you couldnt even hear what was being said.

there were no chapters to take you to certain parts of the video, meaning if one wanted to review or skip a section, the only way to do it was rew/ff.

i was also annoyed to find that the videos had to come from dustin at the last minute and we almost had nothing to view.

there was no need for so many videos except maybe to make it appear to be a better value.

all and all if i were in the market for such a video and had purchased this, i would be highly disappointed. especially for the insane amount of money it costs, and i would be battling for my double money back guarantee bull right now.

the claims made about this video are false.

selling over 70 copies is not really something i would consider astonishing, or even worth the breath of using it to back up a claim. 70...not 700...not 7,000...but 70. big effin whoop.

let it be know that i have no previous issues with dustin or cory/craig/whatever the hell his name is. this is a completely unbiased opinion.

[yinzer]

also on a side note, the video viewed during our little intermission was by far the best video i have viewed in a while. it was well worth sitting through the nausea and headache to get to it. i learned a whole new way of annealing.....

[β]

I see this all as constructive criticism, and thanks for the detailed explanations from everyone. I do not see harsh words, I see people overtly trying not to be harsh, because even though not everyone will like these videos, you have to appreciate the time and effort that Dustin and Rita have tried to put into this. A video set of this magnitude with the promises offered on the website could set anyone up for failure.

[Mike_Aurelius]

For those who saw the video:

1. Was there any discussion about studio safety?

2. Any discussion about eyewear?

3. (and most important) Did the videos cover ALL of the "selling points" on the video offering page?


the truth is there is no other resource out there that covers BOTH lampworking & furnace glass

Yep, and there is a reason for that. They require totally separate investments of time and money. The skill set is totally different. The safety issues are totally different. No one, repeat NO ONE teaches furnace glass and torch(ed) glass in the same studio at the same time. They are incompatable teaching topics.

Lewis Wilson sells a set of DVDs called The Video Encyclopedia of Hard and Soft Glass Techniques. 8 DVDs, 15 hours total. $240.00. Lewis Wilson is a recognized GLASS MASTER. I'd much rather pay Lewis $240 than to pay Revere/Craig a single penny, much less this so-called "double your money back" (which I sincerely doubt will ever happen).

http://www.crystalmyths.com/videos/

[themoch]

For those who saw the video:

1. Was there any discussion about studio safety?


a little


2. Any discussion about eyewear?

don't remember, but I'm pretty sure they showed the eyeware and said that you need these for safety


3. (and most important) Did the videos cover ALL of the "selling points" on the video offering page?

In the loosest of terms yes

[LewisW]

Thanks Mike. I do not call myself a master.
But after 35 years at the torch, I do not get burned as often as I used to do.
And after working with a National 3-A blowpipe for the first eighteen years, all I have to say is "What?".
Lewis

[Mike_Aurelius]

LOL Lewis -- never call yourself a Master, always let others call you that. Unless of course, you are a Master baiter...:evil:

[Big Jay]

Ever notice when someone sells you anything in vague terms you always end up dissapointed. By vague I mean whats exactly inside the box. Every other book or video on the market has defined terms of whats inside with number of pages or length. Like the 2 am infomercials they say a ton without every saying anything.
Thanks Tom and the gang for doing the review.

Not really sure why you'd want a furnace dvd with a lampworking dvd unless your just watching for entertainment value. Do people really just build a hot shop and say I am going to be a glass blower???

[Glass Pyro]

I just cannot believe this guys marketing tactics. Absolutely amazing, "well over 70 copies"....wtf. "I knew the review wouldn't be steller", who says that about their product. You should be standing behind your product, instead you get a shitty review, write it off and try to push more dvd sets on here.

Personally as a newb of all newbs I wish the DVD's were good, so I could get them and learn something. But now, even if they were good I would never give my money to a guy like you "Craig Bellinger", after reading your very "could careless type" posts. Good Day, and go back to school or read a book on Marketing your website alone is like the worst infomercial ever.

[Greymatter Glass]

Well, I stand corrected.

Still, I doubt Craig or Dustin will answer any direct questions in public, they're obviously just here to sell their videos.

As for Dustin, I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a few days, but now that he's still not speaking on the videos I have no doubt he's in cahoots with Craig on this.

If you guys feel like prooving me wrong, answer the question about:

your real name

why it took so long for Tom to get the videos

Why are some of the DVDs less than 10 minutes of video? I'd honestly like to hear your marketing reason for that, as it obviosly runs up your cost of production and shipping.

-Doug

[PyroChixRock]

Dustin, I wish you would comment on this. It's making you look really, really bad. Say something to clear things up for us.

[yinzer]

Dustin, I wish you would comment on this. It's making you look really, really bad. Say something to clear things up for us.

agreed. i just checked out the webpage for the first time right now(intentionally, so it didnt affect my opinion on the videos), and dudes name is nowhere on it. only yours. it seems everything said, from the cheesy greatful (which is actually spelled grateful) dead story, to the "clarity of video greatly reduced for some bullshit reason(i.e. because the videos themselves are of low quality), to how you became a "master"( i had no idea you guys were masters, i think i missed something). it makes you look terrible and shady. if i were looking into a class at your school and came across this, i would go nowhere near you or your school. especially if i had purchased these videos. hell, its even made me 100% sure that i have no interest in attending the female flameoff(along with other issues). just something to consider.

[garrick]

just out of curiosity i looked up dustin on the member search and where it shows the last time dustin visited it says N/A, whats up with that? nobody elses says that.

[CripSkillz]

thats weird cuz i just looked at your name too under members, and it said NA, i saw 1 or 2 others also.

[garrick]

weird, when i look at mine it says today. i guess it has something to do with having your profile set to invisible

[phab]

...they both came to the wrong place to sell that crap. one of them should have known better.

[Udai Hussien]

...they both came to the wrong place to sell that crap. one of them should have known better.both of them know better. Dustin answered craigs ad for "$5000 to film a video". Craig is a shyster, he should be banned, Dustin won't post here anymore, so no need to ban Mr fromage.

[3 rip min]

Dustin, I wish you would comment on this. It's making you look really, really bad. Say something to clear things up for us.

lol.. what could he say???


ill put out a guess.. something like, "craig really fucked me over!"


it will turn out that criag is dustins wife.. just a guess..

[phab]

both of them know better. Dustin answered craigs ad for "$5000 to film a video". Craig is a shyster, he should be banned, Dustin won't post here anymore, so no need to ban Mr fromage.

...what do you wanna bet the 5k to film the video didnt come up front but tied up in the eventual profits.

i wonder if craig/corey is willing to post the name of the guy that returned the video so he can come here and tell us about his double money back guarentee. see how that worked out.

[LewisW]

So who here thinks that Craig/Cory , Dennis Brady and Billy Mays are the same person? Billy is that guy selling everything on TV all the time. I do not know who Dennis Brady is, except that he is not a lampworker.
Lewis

[3 rip min]

lewis, when asked if he was a glass blower he said this..

Dennis Brady
Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Victoria BC Canada
Posts: 336
Rep Power: 0

Re: Update from Craig Bellinger...
Quote:
Originally Posted by phab
...dennis, do you blow glass? hot shop or warm shop?
Stained glass
Kilnforming
Glass Casting
Glass Blowing
Sandblasting

What has what I do got to do with whether or not the videos in question are suitable to teach beginners?

[Glass Pyro]

This was a pm I got from Dennis Brady, when I asked in a thread about the TOP HAT. I did not ask where to get one, Wonka already told me where or told someone and I saw it.

Anyway it seemed sketchy...........does he work for that company or is it his? Or did he just post a link for me too see it ? Blacksheep says he is waiting on a Top Hat, I hope it is not scandelous. If so Blacksheep needs to know as do the rest of us.



06-01-2008, 10:54 PM
Dennis Brady
Banned Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Victoria BC Canada
Posts: 336
Rep Power: 0


Top Hat Foot Pedal

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$325.00 delivered.
*edit; link removed*

[3 rip min]

i think this is dustin's last post.. i like this gem from dustin, and i quote "I explained to him that there is no trick to becoming a master besides practice"

lol really, any moron can become a "master" all they have to do is practice???


revere glass
amorphous solid


Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Berkeley
Posts: 195
Rep Power: 2


Re: Craig Bellinger Here... Straight Talk
Please forgive cory for this post. Recently cory approached Me and asked me to help him with his video project. He showed me his website and what his ideas where. I explained to him that there is no trick to becoming a master besides practice. I also explained that he couldnt market a video to intermedate and advanced glassblowers. And today i explained thegldg to him. I think he heard me and will respect what I said.
I agreed to make his dvds with a few stipulations. 1. I would have creative control of filming editing and content. 2. He would rewrite the sales letter to be truthful and about my experainces in glass. We have been working on the videos for a month or so now and just about done. We tried to cover a wide spectrum of glass techniques so a total novice would be able to see the differant ways hot glass can be used. The video I made is intended for a beginner.
So I also got a few calls today with people saying that cory has screwed some people before. I am sorry for that. Like someone said, Cory has a degree in Marketing and not glassblowing. I am trying to help him understand our world. I told him today "you cant sell a dream to people who know the reality. (of the hard work and low money life that glass can provide)
I will have short clips for the video up this week on my youtube channel. www.youtube.com/revereglass Again I apologize for cory's miss behavior and offensive sales letter

Thanks
Dustin Revere

[Paradise Waits]

caveat emptor ...a sad state of affairs indeed.

For the same money, these folks could have purchased Freeman Corbins essential lampworking series, Crystal Myths, etc.

This reminds me of when I worked as a Yosemite mountain guide. When you get into rock climbing your first purchase is usually a pair of climbing shoes ($200+). Well, most sport shops like to sell them two sizes smaller than your street shoe size. Sure, that's ok for micro-edging on dime sized holds, or extreme sport climbs. However, on multi-day or multi-pitch routes, having your foot stuffed into a shoe that fits like a ballet slipper results in excruciating pain, or worse (permanent orthopedic damage).

I always felt so bad explaining to people that they had been shepherded into purchasing the wrong shoes (for climbing big walls). Hence more $$$ to the sport shop.

In the case of Glass Mastery, craig/cory appears to be just another "get rich quick" online con artist preying upon the hopes & dreams of unsuspecting newbs. Passing off such meager fare with a copious amount filler packaging. The ultimate travesty is that among his dupes/victims could be some really cool, like-minded people with a desire to one day join the ranks of the flamework community.

It bums me out to think that "well over 70" people could have invested in a better pair of glasses, or another (truly educational) DVD to help them along their way.

Bottom line: HGM amounts to one more pitfall on the path to lampworking proficiency.

~Mark

[LewisW]

Hi Glass Pyro,,

Dennis Brady is not affiliated with any aspect of the Top Hat. the Top Hat is a good product and does exist. There will be two in Milwaulkee tomorrow. There will be a few at GAS with me and Doni hatz working on them.I know that there are some to be sent out when Italked with Jack two days ago.
I put my name on this thing and get nothing back except that I got to name it. I just put two friends together that could work with each other.
I am NOT a Craig or a Cory or a Dennis or a Billy. I am just a Lewis
Lewis

[Blacksheep]

This was a pm I got from Dennis Brady, when I asked in a thread about the TOP HAT. I did not ask where to get one, Wonka already told me where or told someone and I saw it.

Anyway it seemed sketchy...........does he work for that company or is it his? Or did he just post a link for me too see it ? Blacksheep says he is waiting on a Top Hat, I hope it is not scandelous. If so Blacksheep needs to know as do the rest of us.



06-01-2008, 10:54 PM
Dennis Brady
Banned Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Victoria BC Canada
Posts: 336
Rep Power: 0


Top Hat Foot Pedal

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$325.00 delivered.
*edit; link removed*



Dude i contacted Jack @ unlimited oxygen and ordered my tophat pedal.
if you read any of the info Lewis wilson added to that post -not this one by the way
he states the design was handed to Jack @ unlimited to manufacture .
has nothing to do with Dennis Brady .

[Blacksheep]

lol lewis beat me to that one

[Glass Pyro]

hey lewis and sheep I meant no harm to either one of you in any way, both of you guys are awesome help. And I can't wait too hear about the TOP HAT from both of you. I was just saying that Dennis Brady sent me that pm and it seemed sketchy. And that I hoped Blacksheep was not getting screwed, sorry for the misunderstanding.

EDIT: I understood it had nothing to do with Brady but I wanted to make sure that you did not order from him Blacksheep, that was all. I got the part about jack and all, but all this shady shit I was just making sure some deusche was not feeding you a line. that was all.

[Blacksheep]

lol thanks pyro na im fine ! and will post about my pedal when i receive it
the post i made earlier was regarding the service i experienced from Jack

[Glass Pyro]

cool

[Blacksheep]

back to the subject of this post since im here now lol
thanks to the lampworkers that reviewed these dvd's and honestly shared their opinions .i am also a newby and really appreciate professional input on educational
offerings.this is an expensive undertaking and most of us newbys dont need to waste cash on false claims like this
personally i wouldnt have touched them with a 10 foot pole just because of the claims and never ending add with unrealistic claims. but i am a grumpy old man not easy to pull the wool over my eyes
i just wish this review would come up at the same time the dvd web site does in a search .hopefully saving a good chunk of cash for others more trusting looking to learn lampwork.
Dustin i dont know you but do you really think the 5k will be worth your reputation? that seemed to be well on its way with your classes and generous scholarships..just seems such a step backwards as also does not responding
in your own defense or questions
cory/craig yet another shyster fresh out of business school surprise surprise
why dont you send me the double money back now lets save some postage lol

[Zed]

My ultimate take on all of this: selling a less then 10 minute DVD like its a complete product is a scam. DVD's should be at least 30 minutes long. Adding a bunch of DVD's with such small amounts of content for the purpose of padding your set is a rip off.

[CripSkillz]

well if ya add it all up it is over 8 hours of video so if its high quality you fit bout 120 min on a dvd in dvd format, unless theres lots of un burned area on the disk there wastin space. so they basically could have gottin it on 5 disks, maybe 6..

but if there was only 10 min on a dvd id be pissed too..

[Paradise Waits]

Well, Dustin has his own forum (where I saw no mention of Hot Glass Bastardry) and the Revere scene up there in Berzerkely. So perhaps he's content dwelling in his own separate reality.

Crummy part of it is that his rep is being eroded by the slimy misrepresentation of this particular product. Just doesn't seem worth the dough to me.

I live in California & I've actually been looking around for some advanced instruction recently. That's how I first encountered his website. Now, in light of this debacle I'm thinking I'd be better off elsewhere if a mushroom push, basic implosion or a vortex are his definitions of "Advanced Marble Making". I mean... all that stuff is cool, but I'm really looking to advance my skills.

I know, in the grand scheme of the lampwork community I'm nobody, but the HGM/Bellinger association leaves me with a bad taste, and diminishes my overall perception of Revere Glass.

~Mark

[VED]

i just checked out the website and sample clips and i can see from just that what the people who reviewed the movies were talking about as far as poor production quality. and all the "save thousands and shave years off the learing curve" claims at the top of the site made me laugh. i felt riped off when i paid 40 dollars for 5 humbolt films when i first started. im just glad this bull shit wasnt around 8 months ago i could have been a victim.

[fumalicious]

I know, in the grand scheme of the lampwork community I'm nobody, but the HGM/Bellinger association leaves me with a bad taste, and diminishes my overall perception of Revere Glass.
I don't think Dustin really thought through the reality that his reputation is utterly interwoven into his school's reputation and THAT is really unfortunate considering his recent business decisions. He's got a great thing going there.. the line up of people teaching are all outstanding. Now that doesn't matter to the very people who would benefit by going there because they are seeing this "debacle" as mentioned (good word for it). Bummer for the scene....

Dustin, step up man... this is about your school as much as it is about you. Get your name the hell away from this incompetent failure of a "business man" and get your rep back on track.

[Paradise Waits]

Glass, china, and reputation are easily cracked, and never well mended. A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may never get over. -Benjamin Franklin

[$$$$$$$]

I bought it, it's tight. you should buy it too.. look what I made right after I bought it
http://www.GlassPipes.org/Img72897_dfdsffdfffffffffffffffffffffff.asp

[phab]

...really nice work

[skip]

What a pair!

[revere glass]

OK….I will explain my self. First let me apologize for not responding quicker...we are moving the shop and I have been restructuring my business, which has taken all my time.

Cory approached me and asked if I could make these videos. He linked me to the website….and Obviously like any one else who sees the website and blows glass was disgusted by the ridiculous claims he had made. I told him that is was impossible to learn these things in days just from videos. He told me he understood. And he promised to re-write the sales letter to more truly reflect the videos I had made.

Because my budget was low, I asked a friend of a friend who was in the film department at Santa Cruz, to help me. I payed him first. But only received an unfinished product. Cory was pushing me to get him DVDs because he had pre-sold some and his customers where getting mad. So in a 5 or so sleepless days I finished editing the DVDs. My agreement with the film student was to have a completely finished and voiced over copy in my hands.

At any rate, have to agree with tom on many respects. There is a lot of noise on some of the videos and the introduction and tools videos needs to be expanded.

At this point Cory controls that product. I am not allowed to sell them. I probably wont edit or do voice over’s on these videos.
I agree that this would greatly enhance the quality of the product, but it wont reach the customer, because they are packaged and shipped from the east cost. (from Cory)

I did not realize until yesterday that Cory used fake signature of mine to offer a double your money back guarantee. Although I think that these videos do have value. I am not responsible for the sale or distribution of these videos. I have two calls into him and he’s has not returned them.

As a side note my school has just been breaking even. And I and the other people in my studio agreed that we could really use the money to help the school grow. We also thought that if this guy wanted to give his money to the glass community, why not let him? It will help the school, which will in turn help people to learn to blow glass. Also I was aware of Cory’s other glass project that was a frailer. I thought that is was probably he's best choice to hire some one from the community to help him out.

All in all, I would have to say that these videos have a potential to be much better. As is, the lack sound quality and information on tools and set up necessary for the beginner.

Finally I would like to say that on Numerous occasions I said to Cory that the markets for furnace glass and lampwork where very different. He insisted that I make the DVDs as 14 separate DVDs and also insisted that I include both furnace and lamp.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. And again I am moving my shop but I will check in if people have anymore questions. I will not respond to just pure negative assaults.

P.S Craig Ballinger real name is Cory Friedman.
P.P.S I also agree with themoch and I will call Cory again in the morning and ask if he would be willing to have the DVDs voiced over properly and expanded where is lacks, I will also suggest he give all customers a free copy of the updated version.

[kebira]

Not to beat a dead horse Dustin, but your problems are beyond bruising in the glass community. The fact that your name is solely tied to Cory's guaranteed daily double, whether by agreement or not, leaves you personally exposed to settling any claims incurred by the sales of the videos. I would hope you have agreements ,in writing, as to details of the partnership. Reading through responses , I just get the feeling most of this happened with pinky swears and peace pipes. I would at least get some legal advise, probably free at Berserkly, as to legal relief from the fraudulent copy and paste of your net worth, I mean your name. The state of being naive is not a legal defense . even on the west coast. Time to circle the wagons.

[phab]

I agreed to make his dvds with a few stipulations. 1. I would have creative control of filming editing and content. 2. He would rewrite the sales letter to be truthful and about my experainces in glass


Finally I would like to say that on Numerous occasions I said to Cory that the markets for furnace glass and lampwork where very different. He insisted that I make the DVDs as 14 separate DVDs and also insisted that I include both furnace and lamp

...im confused, but im still on my first cup of coffee

[Greymatter Glass]

Dustin: Greed is no excuse, I hope this is a lesson, not a new business model. You just got scammed by an Internet fraud. You should know better than to deal with people who don't use their real name and already have a reputation beyond repair.


FWIW, if that were my name on his web site I'd have filed a law suit against him so fast he wouldn't have time to shit after posting that. Your reputation is _TRASH_ now Dustin. FWIW I've thought about looking into your studio to take some classes at (I'd heard good things) but honestly, after this snafu and the way you've dealt with it, I think I'll be going to Glass Craft, which is closer and more reputable.

Is your reputation worth $5000? What if you lose maybe $10,000 in business because of this? How are you going to recover those losses?

...

I dunno, nothing explained really, just some excuses.

At least we have Cory's real name now.

-Doug

[Mike_Aurelius]

Dustin -- if you did not give craig/cory or whoever the fuck this ass-hat is permission to use your name and/or signature on his website, he's committing fraud. I strongly urge you to contact an attorney and have the website shut down.

If you did not give permission to use your name/signature, this goes beyond a "get rich quick" scheme, and has the potential to permanently destroy your reputation/business/life/livlihood.

I hate to say I told you so, but man........it's getting harder and harder every day...

[Blacksheep]

I did not realize until yesterday that Cory used fake signature of mine to offer a double your money back guarantee


well damn that is downright fraud as is the claims made in the add
on those points alone its defrauding the agreement you had! take legal action and distance yourself from this shyster

[3 rip min]

Dustin -- if you did not give craig/cory or whoever the fuck this ass-hat is permission to use your name and/or signature on his website, he's committing fraud. I strongly urge you to contact an attorney and have the website shut down.

If you did not give permission to use your name/signature, this goes beyond a "get rich quick" scheme, and has the potential to permanently destroy your reputation/business/life/livlihood.

I hate to say I told you so, but man........it's getting harder and harder every day...

HAHA!! shit, mike, i hate to say i told ya so, but man!!


do you guys really believe dustin's bullshit?? i said it yesterday that dustin wouyld come say that corey/craig fucked him over and it took about 24 hours..

[mer]

HAHA!! shit, mike, i hate to say i told ya so, but man!!


do you guys really believe dustin's bullshit?? i said it yesterday that dustin wouyld come say that corey/craig fucked him over and it took about 24 hours..

yeah, i believe it. why would he lie? it's not like he's saving face. he's just explaining how it all went down. you've had a hard on about dustin for years so it's your bullshit that i don't believe. get over it.

[Mike_Aurelius]

Actually, I **DO** believe Dustin. I've stood up for him time and again while this has gone down. He got screwed, no, FUCKED with no lube, but that still does not make him the bad guy here.

He trusted without verifying & checking things out, but that still does not make him the bad guy. He made a mistake -- let's leave it at that, shall we?

[3 rip min]

why wouldnt he lie??? the dude calls himself a master glass blower, that is a bold faced lie!!

im not trying to make you believe anything.. i find it very funny that people jump on me because i dont like dustin..

[somewhere]

Yep, and there is a reason for that. They require totally separate investments of time and money. The skill set is totally different. The safety issues are totally different. No one, repeat NO ONE teaches furnace glass and torch(ed) glass in the same studio at the same time. They are incompatible teaching topics.



That just isn't true there are many furnace classes that include flameworking and many examples of the art created. We lampwork in the hotshop regularly. In fact it's our number one production seller. Hot glass is hot glass whatever you want to do with it.

Billy Morris is propably one of the best of using both skills in one shop.

http://creativenaturefilm.com

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uZPeqwFG-oQ&feature=related

[somewhere]

Not really sure why you'd want a furnace dvd with a lampworking dvd unless your just watching for entertainment value. Do people really just build a hot shop and say I am going to be a glass blower???

Well My interest in chemistry brought me into the research lab where I refined my lampworking skills. Same place a chemist wanted a specialty glass batched when Rudy said "that's not what we do" I built my first furnace in the back yard. I never said I'm going to be a glass blower it just happened.

[Big Jay]

Also how long were you working on the torch before you took that step. I mean were you at the point that glass mastery dvd would have been of interest to you? So not far along enough in lampworking that you could have used the lampworking side plus the hot shop info? Seems like an odd fit to me but I could be wrong.


EDIT- saying all that I should of said you stated you refined your skills on the torch first so you already were a glass blower. If you hadn't most likely you would have apprenticed or taken lessons in a hot shop before investing the money in the sky high costs of a hot shop.

[nickglassdood]

ahhh so wheres the cutter dood?>

[yinzer]

dustin, im wondering what kind of papers were signed and if they were thoroughly looked over.

i can't help but think that you may have signed over the right to use your name without knowing due to either carelessness, or misunderstanding. its a possibility that whatever you signed could have been worded in a way that, if you read it through, you could have signed over the rights to use your name without having a clue you were doing so. if thats the case, youre pretty much screwed.

i would seriously talk to a lawyer. that web page pretty much says if you are not satisfied, dustin revere will give you your money back.

[somewhere]

So you built a hot shop which at my limited research says can be easily 10's of thousands of dollars and went to work without any instruction from any other hot shops workers?

Yes I built my first furnace before I had a clue about soda lime glass. That first year my wife Sarah bought me a blowpipe and the rest is history. From there I bought a grip of old blowpipes and tools from a retired blower sought out more info blew more glass. Met some peeps from JU glass program learned more blew more. Built a new gloryhole (originally used the gas furnace for reheats) built a bigger annealer, new gaffers bench, bigger marver etc... After some research and talking to a few more glass blowers I built my first electric furnace silicon carbide 350lb pot. That alone cost 10grand but the money was coming in and I still did a lot of lampworking. Remember in it's hay day a creative flameworker could make good money and I was lucky enough to be on that wave.

We live in the information era so it's out there nobody is working in a vacuum. Most glass workers I know are an open book including myself.

I was lampworking for a good 5 years before I got interested in the furnace. I'm still not a master and don't know if I will ever feel I could call myself that period. If there was an opportunity for me to apprentice offhand furnace work I would have. Still we have the only hot shop around here and they are few and far in FL.

I hope your still planning a visit here soon. I'll give you the whole history when we swap stories over a few beers.

[nickglassdood]

For Real This Shit Is Nuts

[somewhere]

IMO if you make a video it should represent what your good at. It's like having a blacksmith teach rocket science. He might know a thing or two but it certainly isn't his specialty.

I guess you could learn a thing or two from these vids but I would guess you could learn a lot more from visiting other glass artists.

I have a huge glass video collection with tons of home shot footage. I doubt I'll be adding this into the collection. Sound quality is extremely important if it's anything more then just a demo.

[Glass Pyro]

you should post some of those videos somewhere, Somewhere.

[phab]

...wait, how can you say that you didnt know this or that was going on when you (dustin) link the HGM from your own web page?

[mer]

is there still a link there? i looked yesterday and i couldn't find one. after speaking with dustin i think that craig/cory took advantage of the situation and changed the hgm website w/o permission after the deal had already been completed. i'm pretty sure dustin was only paid for his initial participation and has no stake in any further business done by craig/cory. if i was in dustin's shoes i'd be speaking to an attorney.

[fumalicious]

Absolutely without a doubt- Dustin TALK TO A LAWYER.

[Udai Hussien]

Dennis "i eat all the mangoo" Brady is the genius behind the glass blowing bible [sic]
http://www.eaglemountstudios.com/200-For-Interview-Of-Expert-GlassblowerFlameworker-article2099--6.htm

[ACE]

dustin, i HAVE TO ask here- you just claimed you did not sign the double your money back garuntee, fine, but you did not clarify weather or not you gave him permission, for, well- the entirety of that web page. to me, the latter is MUCH more serious. and while it doesn't look like anything you'd write, i don't know how he could of gotten any of that info without your help.

if you had control over the production/length of sections/editing, and simply didn't finish it in time because of lack of time or budget issues i'm not really sure that relieves you of that responsibility.

i guess i can see how craig/cory might not have been completley straight with you, cause he seems like a real dbag, but from your post i didn't get the impression that he "screwed you over" like ppl are saying. am i wrong?

and for the love of pete, did you help with the website for "hot glass mastery"????

not the garuntee, the actual website?

[phab]

is there still a link there? i looked yesterday and i couldn't find one. after speaking with dustin i think that craig/cory took advantage of the situation and changed the hgm website w/o permission after the deal had already been completed. i'm pretty sure dustin was only paid for his initial participation and has no stake in any further business done by craig/cory. if i was in dustin's shoes i'd be speaking to an attorney.

...i just checked it and the link NO LONGER takes you to HGM. im gonna stick my neck out and guess that it would have continued to be linked there if WE hadnt found out about it. it is my fear that dustin is playing fast and loose with the truth. maybe he took a seminar from cory

[Mike_Aurelius]

Or maybe the realization has hit that he (Dustin) has been played for a sucker and he's now trying to cut off all contact between himself and HGM.

I'd much rather believe that scenario than think that Dustin is trying to play fast and loose.

[phab]

Or maybe the realization has hit that he (Dustin) has been played for a sucker and he's now trying to cut off all contact between himself and HGM.

I'd much rather believe that scenario than think that Dustin is trying to play fast and loose.





...so you think he went and linked it from his own site without reading the content?

[Mike_Aurelius]

I don't know what to think, and I'd prefer not to speculate on things I have no idea about. I've know Dustin for quite awhile and all my dealings with him have been very professional. He's a good teacher, runs a good studio etc etc etc...

[phab]

...well dustin said he would answer legitimate questions and i think that was a legitimate question. i have no idea about anything other than what i saw that was published for public consumption. im sure there must be a good explanation or reason why it appears the way it does. maybe dustin gave cory his password and administration privileges to his website. something seems a little off balance. im assuming again but i would think both cory and dustin are "pros" at what they do?

[PyroChixRock]

This all started because a few months back Cory asked (actually paid for) a banner here. I refunded his money and told him not happening because of his rep. He said he knew he made mistakes in the past but he's trying to fix it, and offered to let us view a sample of his videos. I said a clip of his videos would not be enough for the staff to make a decision to let him advertise here. Boy am I glad we dealt with it this way, because after reading the reviews (which were very kind) and having more discussion in the staff room, it's a hands down decision to not allow Cory to advertise ANY of his products here, including any future ones he might come up with.

So Cory, no links of yours allowed here. It will buy you a banning to post a link. I personally think you should just leave the glass market all together. I know this community and you're not going to recover from this is you saved baby jesus himself. So move on, we don't want you here.

Dustin, I sincerely hope you're able to straighten this out and get your name off that site. Sadly I do think this will follow you around for a long time coming, but it won't destroy you. Anyone who can put themselves in your shoes for a minute can see you got the short end of the stick here, and will be able to say water under the bridge. I just hope it doesn't undo what you've done with the school, I would hate to see the school die to this catastrophe. Good luck to you and your wife.

[Mike_Aurelius]

First of all remember that Dustin is moving his studio -- he is more worried about that than anything else, and probably has been for at least a week or more.

IMO, Cory/Craig is a pro at conning people and he conned Dustin but good.

I believe it is quite possible that the link was put on the website by Dustin or at his direction, but that he didn't go look at it for content -- he probably had a lot on his mind. Yes, I'm making assumptions, but I'd much prefer to think the best of Dustin and give him the benefit of the doubt than to start lambasting him for doing things that no one except Dusting and Cory/Criag know about.

Let's give Dustin some time and breathing space to get things resolved. I'm fairly sure that once the dust settles there will be a wonderful 6-pack story here.

[Paradise Waits]

Almost all of our relationships begin and most of them continue as forms of mutual exploitation, a mental or physical barter, to be terminated when one or both parties run out of goods. -W. H. Auden

I've never met Dustin Revere. From what little I know of him, It seems like many of us, glass is the center of his universe. On that fundamental level I can sympathize with his plight.

The point of departure (for me) is where he yielded to the urgency of his employer, expediting the production to meet pre-sale obligations. Up to that juncture Cory was the one out on a limb. Now, by releasing an "unfinished product" for public consumption, edited in "5 sleepless days"... disassociation of accountability has evaporated as a plausible option.

Some of you are portraying this as if Dustin was raped. Well, at least he was paid for the exploitation.

You can demonize Cory, Dustin or the flakey Santa Cruz film student but that doesn't change the fact that "well over 70" people have already been fleeced. When all is said and done that's who I really feel sorry for.

Occasionally I'll receive messages from these folks. Like a girl from Minnesota who's working some crummy job she can barely stand, making beads and trying to work boro on a hot head in her garage while she saves for a two-fuel torch. I shudder to think of someone like her wasting a hard earned paycheck on this HGM drivel.

I'm sorry this is just another "purely negative assault". I should probably look the other way now. Dustin has already declared that he's economically compromised, and we all know that legal action isn't cheap.

I once spent 12k on criminal defense when I was pulled over in Nevada for a broken turn signal & they presumed that our mobile studio was meth lab (the turn signal worked fine when I got it out of impound). If I couldn't have afforded to defend my civil rights, I'd probably be incarcerated to this day.

This whole scenario is just depressing. What's done is done.

~Mark

[Mike_Aurelius]

Mark -- that's the bottom line here -- innocent people are going to get ripped off, and fortunately, the more we expose Cory/Craig, the less number of people he's going to be able to scam.

[Greymatter Glass]

The point of departure (for me) is where he yielded to the urgency of his employer, expediting the production to meet pre-sale obligations. Up to that juncture Cory was the one out on a limb. Now, by releasing an "unfinished product" for public consumption, edited in "5 sleepless days"... disassociation of accountability has evaporated as a plausible option.

~Mark

I couldn't have put it better myself.

...now on to my opinions again....

I've seen a lot of people start with virtually nothing and work their way up to a success.

I've seen a lot of people who start with everything and squander it and end up with nothing.

This has nothing to do with class or where you're at financially. It has to do with common sense, but also a good plan, knowledge, and experience. Not knowing Dustin personally I won't presume to know which area(s) are the weakness here, but none the less it can only strengthen the experience factor.

FWIW I have a few fairly simple rules I play by in business, and they may or may not work for everyone, but they've served me well:

1 Don't deal with people who hide their real name.
2 Don't assume liabilities you can't afford.
2a Don't offer credit to people with no credit / bad credit.
3 Don't sacrifice your standards for a quick buck.

in other words: Don't lie, don't cheat, don't spend money you don't have, and don't sell shit you can't deliver.

But people make mistakes....if that's all this is great, we'll know soon enough.... if it's a scam we'll know soon enough. the impetus is on Dustin to make things right and see to it that his name is removed from that site.

From what I've seen so far though he's done nothing to contest the site, so AFAIC he's in cahoots with Cory as long as his name is up there. As for lawyers, there's a differnce between criminal defense and civil litigation. Attorneys will usually work for a fee based on an award, and a simple cease and desist letter sent to the ISP can be drawn up by any hack lawyer fresh from law school for $100-250. I've seen things like this go down before, and when legal action is in play things happen a lot faster than they are now.

... I still smell a fish. It's not as big as it was, but it still stinks.

-Doug

[Meerkat]

I dont want to shift focus, but I just thought to myself how much of this could have been avoided or if I had been doing a project like this, that it would only have made logical since to first make the project to completion and polish polish polish without ever breathing a word of it and then announcing and advertising it.

I have a film degree and I used to work in video production and post production and I can't imagine or understand why anyone would want to have to cram their post production into 5 sleepless nights or anything less than giving themselves tons of time polish it.

[CripSkillz]

i heard you cant polish a turd, but i think you can if you freeze it first:D

[Zed]

I think y'all might be over reacting a bit. Since there actually is a product and acourding to the reviewers its not the worst how-to video ever, with some post production work it could be better. Anyone who believes the "buy this vid and you'll be a master glassblower overnight!" spiel is probably a idiot anyway.

If I was Dustin I would want to get my name off the site, but in the long run I doubt this is going to be the artistic reputation suicide that everyone is making it out to be. Newbs who would buy this tape aren't going to know Dustin anyways, and glass artists on the scene wouldn't buy it in the first place.

I really think the whole "ZOMG this is gunna wreck your career Dustin you should have known better tsk tsk" attitude is a reaction to the fact that everyone here hates Cory/Craig.

Seriously, I doubt these tapes are any worse then the Humboldt films ones, were any careers wrecked because of those?

Homeboy is selling a inferior product using flashy marketing techniques. Happens every day in America. Warn your friends not too buy if you think its a rip off, but the doom and gloom about Dustins career seems somewhat over the top to me.

I would be interested in knowing if the 2X money back guarentee is for real though. If the product is as shitty as everyone says, then I don't see how this would be honored. Maybe it will be though, I actually never thought there would be any DVDs so maybe the 2X guarentee is real too.

[Udai Hussien]

I think y'all might be over reacting a bit. Since there actually is a product and acourding to the reviewers its not the worst how-to video ever, with some post production work it could be better. Anyone who believes the "buy this vid and you'll be a master glassblower overnight!" spiel is probably a idiot anyway.

If I was Dustin I would want to get my name off the site, but in the long run I doubt this is going to be the artistic reputation suicide that everyone is making it out to be. Newbs who would buy this tape aren't going to know Dustin anyways, and glass artists on the scene wouldn't buy it in the first place.

I really think the whole "ZOMG this is gunna wreck your career Dustin you should have known better tsk tsk" attitude is a reaction to the fact that everyone here hates Cory/Craig.

Seriously, I doubt these tapes are any worse then the Humboldt films ones, were any careers wrecked because of those?

Homeboy is selling a inferior product using flashy marketing techniques. Happens every day in America. Warn your friends not too buy if you think its a rip off, but the doom and gloom about Dustins career seems somewhat over the top to me.

I would be interested in knowing if the 2X money back guarentee is for real though. If the product is as shitty as everyone says, then I don't see how this would be honored. Maybe it will be though, I actually never thought there would be any DVDs so maybe the 2X guarentee is real too.not true. I dislike Dustin just as much as I hate cory

[Big Jay]

I agree with you Zed and had a similar conversation 2 day ago about it. These aren't facts just theories...

1.People buying his glass probably aren't going to know or care about the vids
2.People taking lessons in his studio will still go if he's signing huge names.
3.New People taking lessons who don't know much about glass won't know enough for it to hinder the situation.
4.Negative publicity can actually generate sales more then positive publicity. Its a phenomona I have already talked about. The more a guy is talked about and linked on the net the more likely someone is going to read his name. Down the road the story is forgotten and when they read they name they can't really place where they heard it but they heard it somewhere so he's got to be popular/good.
If you stop and think whos really pissed about the vids are Dustins competition, by which I mean anyone selling glass, glass products or teaching. Of those no one is probably sending money in his direction currently. So he may loose some respect from his peers its plausible he won't feel it in his wallet.

[smutboy420]

Yes I have to agree
Dustin TALK TO A LAWYER.

Sever your self from this cory creig or what ever his name is While you still can. Taking some sort of legal action would be enought to make others aware your NOT cool with this situation.

[FiredDesires]

Tom & crew...thank you so much for taking the time to review the videos, your report here was very much appreciated and well thought out.

Craig...I disagree with you to the max about Tom being harsh, his words were polite and informative without bias. If this is what you consider harsh? You better put on a flame suit, cause your just beginning to feel the heat.

Dustin...I have not heard anything negative over the years about you and enjoyed looking at your work/site...my wish for you is that you WILL recover from this fiasco and all the negativity that is being thrown your way.

[yinzer]

Seriously, I doubt these tapes are any worse then the Humboldt films ones, were any careers wrecked because of those?



you can stop doubting. atleast you can hear those films and they dont make you nauseated. not to mention they cost alot less from what i remember.

i agree with moch's statment of "i feel robbed and i didnt even purchase the videos" or whatever he said along those lines.

they can be fixed. but the question is...does anybody care to?

dustin, you stated you agreed with the review....then why would you allow it to be released like that with your name on it?

i thought you had the creative rights or whatever....
quite a few of your posts are very contradicting, and being that i dont know you from a hole in the wall....its pretty hard to come to a conclusion. i want to feel you are the screwee but at the same time your contradictions make me believe you are the screwer

[3 rip min]

1.People buying his glass probably aren't going to know or care about the vids
.

you guys dont understand, he sells classes not glass!!!

if you think that he has a working glass shop making glass to sell, youre wrong!!!

[yinzer]

well he demos in the video...so i would assume he can atleast melt something

and so was his wife so i could assume she does too.

wonder what they do with that crap after they make it if they dont sell it

must have a massive collection

[Udai Hussien]

I make at least one poop a day. I don't collect, nor sell them (but anything is negotionable)

[yinzer]

after seeing the stain you left on my couch i dont want to go anywhere near your poops

[3 rip min]

well he demos in the video...so i would assume he can atleast melt something

and so was his wife so i could assume she does too.

wonder what they do with that crap after they make it if they dont sell it

must have a massive collection

well, my wife can melt glass too, that doesnt make her a glass blower..

i never said that they cant blow glass.. they dont make and sell glass for a living.. thats what a glass blower is to me, someone that blows glass for a living..

[CripSkillz]

what so im not a glass blower now, cuz its not my job??

you been takin to many 3 min rips...

[3 rip min]

lol i dont know, crip.. there is no such thing as too many rips, there is just a 3 rip min..

maybe i should make a thread to find out what everyone thinks it takes to be a glass blower.. maybe it just takes owning a torch..

but, i have a shovel and can dig a ditch but i dont call my self a ditch digger.. i skate boarder for my whole life and still have a board but i dont ride it much anymore and i wouldnt call my self a skater...

[Bglass]

to all who hate on Dustin..... realize that in his mind at the time he thought he could actually do good for a community and some people who might even be interested in glass..... i think we are all here for this and to do this especially here in the forum???? so it was a bad choice? sure... but we all make them every day....
this is a bad choice for me to even be posting, but really i dont care!! i know who i know on here and they know me so heres my thought....

as he said he worked five nights in a row to do this, even tho the video is janky or whatever, i want someone to stay up five nights in a row doing nothing but worryiong about trying to help someone out who came to you and said they are in a bind... even thou everybody already knew craig was a jerk, maybe he didnt. i mean to come on here and read about ten pages of how someone is fd up is very boring and really a waste of most peoples time. i mean i almost didnt read this. i only did because in the past day it went from 1 page to seven now...

so in knowing that a regular guy who didnt hear or want to believe a bunch of hype helped out even "craig" a cheap skate, and maybe more importantly some person who had even "maybe" prepaid the video. these two facts here state that dustin is a caring and giving man..... SO WHY THE BULLSHIT to him.... im sure to hell that it will all be figured out....
For 5 g's i almost thought about doing the darn video when it was offered. 5 thousand is a lot of money and if you wave it in any strapped glass blowers face without a doubt it will get snatched..... im sure everyone of us here checks the classifieds every other day for a good deal??.....
well guess what a shop in berkely is harder to pay for and run and make a living off of than anything us here could imagine.... rent alone for a one bedroom is about 1000 dollars alone without living expenses and to mention he has a kid to raise etc... so a little video to make some money really gives all of you a problem and ruffled feathers? corey and the bullshit is all fed up... but welll re put yourself in dustins shoes.... give him a break....
on top of everything hes trying to put together the most important school for "LAMPWORKING" available!!! without a doubt.... and he come on here trying to give away free 8oo dollar classes and demo spots..... let alone hosts free demo night where you can watch some "MASTERS" do their work......
i think already this guy has given and is trying to give more than any of us here can possibly do or is willing to do... thats all....

Now the video is janky and all, but guess what there was time spent on it from dustin and cudos to him for even wanting to start a project that maybe one day could be a good idea????? you never know maybe from this he could one day say " hey i knew what i did wrong and now i know how to better it!"

my good buddy produced and sold and got everything together on the timothy lindemann video and the josh grant marble video..... it is a tonnnnnnnn of work and although it was a ton of fun to make and put together and the whole process and all, he says that he would probably never do it again. its a ton of money....
just to get music legally in the video it had to be just music and no words or anything cool or know.... well that just right there cost 5 grand to do..... let alone having to give tim a torch, pay a Filmer and host the spot to do it.... all in all it cost him 15 grand to make those videos...... and not one of them payed for them to be made..... didnt even brake even.... in fact out of three thousand packaged videos he still at his house has a thousand in a couple boxes. every time im there i picka handful up to just give aways to people who dont even blow glass!!! i still got a hand full right here.....
so in saying that i doubt craig will ever benefit form these!!!! straight up!!! i doubt that hell even sell a hundred and fifty.... which in fact would never even be close to paying off dustin......so in hearing that and now thinking about it, it sounds like a whole biggg oleeeee wasteeee of time to even be bickering about it here.. even for me, but i believe i have a point? craig will soon find out himself that he wasted a whole bunch of his time........

and also to 3 rips per minute.... dude come on your just a out of high school kid who thinks he can blow glass cause he happens to know people who are good glass blowers. im over here in portland too, if you want a lesson in manners you can come by and ill show you how to treat others with respect. plus id love for you to show what you make a living off of to call your self a glass blower... i mean you do blow glass right? you do sell a ton of headdies around town here right, i think you have a case next to mine and ukiahs case there in smoking glass right? you post on a glass "blower" forum right.
i think you could learn something for dustin, how to work glass with respect twords others especially your peers.
so to all who wants to waste their time bashing dustin have fun but know that hes a good man who could care less and even if you said some shit about him or too himi bet hell constantly go out of his way to help you out or the community your a part of.

Thanks for your time.

[CripSkillz]

ok so maybe im not a glassblower, i just blow glass sometimes, and occasionally sell some stuff..

i personally think anything you do, is something you do, and that means you can say you do that right, even if its not the best.

So what could i really be, WheelieKing cuz i spend 3 hrs a day on 2 wheels,

I guess i could be a cook too cuz i do that all the time,

Oh ok, i get it now you have to make a living off what ever it is you say you do or you perpetrating to fraud, all makes sense now

I am a professorial glass tester though and you can never take that from me..
:chilling:

hehheeh

[3 rip min]

and also to 3 rips per minute.... dude come on your just a out of high school kid who thinks he can blow glass cause he happens to know people who are good glass blowers. im over here in portland too, if you want a lesson in manners you can come by and ill show you how to treat others with respect. plus id love for you to show what you make a living off of to call your self a glass blower... i mean you do blow glass right? you do sell a ton of headdies around town here right, i think you have a case next to mine and ukiahs case there in smoking glass right? you post on a glass "blower" forum right.
i think you could learn something for dustin, how to work glass with respect twords others especially your peers.
so to all who wants to waste their time bashing dustin have fun but know that hes a good man who could care less and even if you said some shit about him or too himi bet hell constantly go out of his way to help you out or the community your a part of.

Thanks for your time.

im 35 and been blowing glass for a living since 96. i dont know many good glass blower and never said i did.. im self taught and proud of it!!! ive been making my same 8 pieces for over 10 years...

im glad you think that youre all high and mighty because you share a case with someone in a shop!!! classic.

but thanks for trying to make shit up about me.. maybe you think im someone else??

[yinzer]

dont worry, crip apparently im not a glassblower either cause i feel it necessary to get a paycheck to support my kids and only supplement my income with my glass sales

you too jeff....sorry

my point is, being that i dont know dustin, im not going to pass judgement just cause some over proud stoner kid who thinks he's the only glassblower in the world said so. i will wait for the facts and then make my own decision

[Big Jay]

Crip I look at it like this. If someone asks me what I do for a living I am a general contractor but I also have a second job blowing glass. Since its not my primary career.
I think someone being a skater is totally different since its a mindset or a trend pattern that someone is called a skater not just because they skate. Heck they might not even skate. If you ask a pro skater what he does for a living he says hes a pro skateboarder not a skater.
Its all about context of why the information is being presented. I don't think the term "glassblower" itself implies any set monetary income, skill level or time involved. For those we use secondary identifiers like apprentice, student, production worker, instructor, master whatever.
Of course thats my opinion cause I find it personally irritating when people try to define your title as different then theres to try in some form to prove they are beyond your level. If your a part time cashier in publix supermarket working 1 day a week and have only been there for 1 month and the guy next to you has been there for 15 years and works 40 hours every week with no sick days ... guess what your both still cashiers get over it.

[ACE]

dude i don't know you blake, but i think you are seriously mistaken. on several levels.
everyone needs money. i'd rather earn mine with a clean consience. we ALL saw the add, i can link it if you'd like, and we ran cory off- at least for the time being.

i don't want to insult anbody here, but "the most important school for lampworking ever"??? are you serious? ever heard of corning? or pilchuck? how about pendland, or pittsburgh glass center? or philly glassworks?

but anyway, back to the topic at hand....

i suppose our questions weren't legetimete enough to be answered dustin?

[3 rip min]

ok so maybe im not a glassblower, i just blow glass sometimes, and occasionally sell some stuff..

i personally think anything you do, is something you do, and that means you can say you do that right, even if its not the best.

So what could i really be, WheelieKing cuz i spend 3 hrs a day on 2 wheels,

I guess i could be a cook too cuz i do that all the time,

Oh ok, i get it now you have to make a living off what ever it is you say you do or you perpetrating to fraud, all makes sense now

I am a professorial glass tester though and you can never take that from me..
:chilling:

hehheeh

like i said, maybe it just takes owning a torch.. i wasnt trying to take anything away from anyone but dustin! HAHAHAH!!!

[yinzer]

ok but the point is we are all waiting for answers from dustin

we all wanna know whats up with him. not what you think of him, or who is a real glassblower in your eyes. ive already heard enough opinions from others in the past (good and bad) to get a gauge of what he is like and im sure everyone else has too. thats not the issue and i will not pass judgment on a personal level unless i meet someone.

the issues are the videos and what is going on with this situation. knowing what the deal is here is important on a business level. we are all possible customers to him.i dont wanna know what hes like in bed, i just wanna know if i would give him my business.

this thread was not started for you to vent.

wheres the hater sub forum?

[mer]

dustin hasn't logged on since his last post. he's moving his business right now, maybe he has better things to do than defend himself agsinst 3 rip's petty attacks (most of which have been deleted). as for the valid questions, i'd also like to hear dustin's take. hopefully he can separate the legitimate concerns from the bullshit and see that we're not all just hungry for fresh meat.

[Bglass]

hey, i posted earlier without thinking and look back at it now. im sorry to all. i sent a pm to him saying im sorry and to all, i am in the wrong and thought he was someone different.

but i still stand by saying his glass school is something to respect out there.
pilchuck, corning, egs. sure these are awesome schools!!!! dont get me wrong.

but pipes and the whole industry are almost completely shunned at these schools. even the theory is denined and not taken for what it should be worth. the pipe movement itself is something that has changed glass forever. i beleive its fact.
at revere his classes are counter culture driven just like this community is bassed off of. this used to be basically the pipe forum one day. but also at his school you could have a well traditioned italian artist come thru and teach mind blowingly glass art.
i think this shows respect among different types, styles and cultures of glass working, something i dont think a lot of schools embrace.
pipes may not be it or everbodys thing but to me and many out there we love it and choose to work or make pipes every day.

but anyways im sorry to bash out at people in posting when i didnt think. i think i shouldnt post really early. even though i never post anyways, but sometimes it may come out negitive. if so sorry.

[3 rip min]

ok all, im done with this.. i dont want to get booted from this board because of dustin.. i have gotten 2 infractions on this site both had to do with him, so....

sorry if i pissed anyone off.

[yinzer]

thank you and good day

[glasspapi]

You know...we wouldnt have to rag on "videos for sale" if more people would do 2 or 3 videos of themselves doing a teq and post it on youtube or googlevideo. Then we wouldnt have these threads that end up having 20 pages talking about how bad a video is. Then there would be plenty of the good the bad and the ugly.

[nickglassdood]

to all who hate on Dustin..... realize that in his mind at the time he thought he could actually do good for a community and some people who might even be interested in glass..... i think we are all here for this and to do this especially here in the forum???? so it was a bad choice? sure... but we all make them every day....
this is a bad choice for me to even be posting, but really i dont care!! i know who i know on here and they know me so heres my thought....

as he said he worked five nights in a row to do this, even tho the video is janky or whatever, i want someone to stay up five nights in a row doing nothing but worryiong about trying to help someone out who came to you and said they are in a bind... even thou everybody already knew craig was a jerk, maybe he didnt. i mean to come on here and read about ten pages of how someone is fd up is very boring and really a waste of most peoples time. i mean i almost didnt read this. i only did because in the past day it went from 1 page to seven now...

so in knowing that a regular guy who didnt hear or want to believe a bunch of hype helped out even "craig" a cheap skate, and maybe more importantly some person who had even "maybe" prepaid the video. these two facts here state that dustin is a caring and giving man..... SO WHY THE BULLSHIT to him.... im sure to hell that it will all be figured out....
For 5 g's i almost thought about doing the darn video when it was offered. 5 thousand is a lot of money and if you wave it in any strapped glass blowers face without a doubt it will get snatched..... im sure everyone of us here checks the classifieds every other day for a good deal??.....
well guess what a shop in berkely is harder to pay for and run and make a living off of than anything us here could imagine.... rent alone for a one bedroom is about 1000 dollars alone without living expenses and to mention he has a kid to raise etc... so a little video to make some money really gives all of you a problem and ruffled feathers? corey and the bullshit is all fed up... but welll re put yourself in dustins shoes.... give him a break....
on top of everything hes trying to put together the most important school for "LAMPWORKING" available!!! without a doubt.... and he come on here trying to give away free 8oo dollar classes and demo spots..... let alone hosts free demo night where you can watch some "MASTERS" do their work......
i think already this guy has given and is trying to give more than any of us here can possibly do or is willing to do... thats all....

Now the video is janky and all, but guess what there was time spent on it from dustin and cudos to him for even wanting to start a project that maybe one day could be a good idea????? you never know maybe from this he could one day say " hey i knew what i did wrong and now i know how to better it!"

my good buddy produced and sold and got everything together on the timothy lindemann video and the josh grant marble video..... it is a tonnnnnnnn of work and although it was a ton of fun to make and put together and the whole process and all, he says that he would probably never do it again. its a ton of money....
just to get music legally in the video it had to be just music and no words or anything cool or know.... well that just right there cost 5 grand to do..... let alone having to give tim a torch, pay a Filmer and host the spot to do it.... all in all it cost him 15 grand to make those videos...... and not one of them payed for them to be made..... didnt even brake even.... in fact out of three thousand packaged videos he still at his house has a thousand in a couple boxes. every time im there i picka handful up to just give aways to people who dont even blow glass!!! i still got a hand full right here.....
so in saying that i doubt craig will ever benefit form these!!!! straight up!!! i doubt that hell even sell a hundred and fifty.... which in fact would never even be close to paying off dustin......so in hearing that and now thinking about it, it sounds like a whole biggg oleeeee wasteeee of time to even be bickering about it here.. even for me, but i believe i have a point? craig will soon find out himself that he wasted a whole bunch of his time........

and also to 3 rips per minute.... dude come on your just a out of high school kid who thinks he can blow glass cause he happens to know people who are good glass blowers. im over here in portland too, if you want a lesson in manners you can come by and ill show you how to treat others with respect. plus id love for you to show what you make a living off of to call your self a glass blower... i mean you do blow glass right? you do sell a ton of headdies around town here right, i think you have a case next to mine and ukiahs case there in smoking glass right? you post on a glass "blower" forum right.
i think you could learn something for dustin, how to work glass with respect twords others especially your peers.
so to all who wants to waste their time bashing dustin have fun but know that hes a good man who could care less and even if you said some shit about him or too himi bet hell constantly go out of his way to help you out or the community your a part of.

Thanks for your time.

nice name drop, so whats it say on the ticket on front of your glass?

and cory/craig bellinger/cory friendman offerd you 5 g's too?


anyone know where this cory friedman resides on the eastside??

[$$$$$$$]

I wouldn't use that, i would probably use Forest green if your looking for a darker shade and made jade if your looking for something lighter..

[Greymatter Glass]

What about Nile?

[steven p selchow]

I had to come read this, or just skip a few pages after talking to Lewis yesterday about this thread, so I'm not qualified to judge, but I guess my only question would be why make a 6 minute video, then continue it on other dvd's? Couldn't this fit on a couple. I know Lewis is much more skilled in producing videos by just the fact he has done several. I know he wouldn't sell an instuctional "how to" and spread it over several just for more money when it could be put on one or two.

[yinzer]

wow, lewis must be pretty worked up about this to bring it up off forum.

i guess i would be too if i were him

[Greymatter Glass]

Lewis hits me :(


(He's at Bead and Button and can't respond right now, so I'm going to exploit that for all it's worth)

[steven p selchow]

No..he mentioned it to me and asked if I read the thread, which I haven't until today, so I checked it out. We didn't discuss it much as we were busy last night, but my only thought was when he told me the first was a mere 6 minutes long, and thats why my post about why it wasn't put on a 2 disc, if the content fit, rather than 7, if thats what the total was...he wasn't worked up about it, just asked me if I was aware of the thread.

steve

[karlt13]

Guys,

Iv been on this board for a long time, iv blown glass for a long time. I have resisted the temptation for years to blast off negative comments here. But im sorry this has gone too far! The guy is a criminal, he preaches love for our community and then pisses on it with this shit. I really dont care the repercusions of my comments, cause i stand by them. I got love for the people really trying to teach! So keep up the good work! But as far as this shit, Im sorry the public had to suffer from the greed of a few people.

Thanks
Karl Termini
Amsterdam

[yinzer]

gotcha...
well i guess this thread is going nowhere, er i guess it already went there.
i highly doubt there will be anymore answers, its been a while now.

[Udai Hussien]

Lewis hits me :(


(He's at Bead and Button and can't respond right now, so I'm going to exploit that for all it's worth)
I learned watching lifetime, that admitting is the first step, now you have to get to a shelter, and no matter how much Lewis tells you he will change, he wont. So take the kids and get to a shelter

[Glass Pyro]

LO fuckin L good stuff

[yinzer]

Lewis hits me :(


(He's at Bead and Button and can't respond right now, so I'm going to exploit that for all it's worth)

yeah but does he heal you afterwards?? cause if he does, hes at least trying to make things right....

[Udai Hussien]

yeah but does he heal you afterwards?? cause if he does, hes at least trying to make things right....OOOOHHH good point. I should write lifetime and see if it's okay to get back with a man whom beat you, if he heals you afterwards.

[steven p selchow]

Speaking of shelters, we had 2 tornado warnings in the same day yesterday, the resort I was at first time around tried to huddle the guests in the basement, this is a 750 room resort and it was full, I had to go down to administation offices for a minute, and saw that mess and turned around and drove home, made it to town, and huge trees were down all over town, my house got spared of any damage, didn't see any funnel clouds, there was a taste of the town event going on, and 2 huge tents that held 20 local restaurant booths temporarily on broadway almost went over, all the art and craft booths that was held in conjuntion with the event were just mangeled and all over town, the straight line winds were estimated at 80 mph at the small airport outside of town. I was in the botique I work at part time, and saw shit flying by the windows, thats when I went to the basement, its been raining for the last 30 hours on and off.

[VinE]

Glass videos are a scam.
Especially nowadays with all of the info thats available on the net.
I've never seen glass made by someone who was "video taught" that looked decent.

Anyone who's worth their weight in salt as a glassworker has spent alot of time at the torch/furnace, and or worked with people who have.

[revere glass]

Hello everyone,
I just got back from vending at the Harmony Festival, Sorry for the delay in my response. First to answer your questions:

ACE: I had nor have any control of the website. Part of our agreement was to change the website. He did change the it from the made up person “Craig”. I told him over the phone the story of my glass history. He changed it to be more “exciting and marketable”. Also you are correct. It does not relieve me from responsibility. Finally, I don’t think I got screwed. He paid me, I gave him a product that was worth what he spent. The on way he screwed me was posting on thegldg and saying idiotic things to the community.

MIKE: I removed the link and youtube videos when I saw my signature on HGM. I never agreed to that. Cory has removed my fake signature, but I will not relink him or add youtube videos corrections have been made (if that happens)

MISHA: I talked with Cory this morning and we agreed to take my info of his page. My school will be fine, we are in the middle of doing some cool new things and moving to a bigger spot. Thanks for yo0u comments.

ZED: my name will be removed until I agree to let him use it. Thanks for you comments

BIGJAY: I would rather not have any negative assocation with my name. And I think these vids will be fine in the end, but I understand this marketing concept, but was not intentional.

SMUTBOY: I honestly don’t have the time or finical resource to fight him. And in the end what do I get if I win? A stupid domain name? It just doesn’t seem worth it until he really hurts me. Anyway thanks for your support.

FIREDDESIRES: Thanks

YINZER: I had creative control. I also had a date to work with. I had to get him the vids if I was to be paid. I have intension to screw. If I have a bad transaction, I bend over backwards to correct it. I believe that is a much better for long term., both for business and friends

CRIP: you are a sick glassblower….what makes a glassblower is some one who blows glass. I do that. I too am a glassblower. As you and every one here knows I have never done business with 3 rip or Dwaine. And I have challenged 3 rip to a live glassblowing competition, But I am sure you and everyone else remember he declined, But my offer remains open If you think I cant blow glass my friend, lets find out.

BGLASS: Thank you for your perspective. THANK YOU!

ACE: sorry for the delay….YOU GUYS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME, I have just been super busy. You are so right ACE, all those schools, including fine are important for all of us lampworkers and potential new Glass Artists.

STEVEN P SELCHOW: Cory insisted on making them separate videos, he was my
employer and so I did what he asked. I agree with you. It should be on 5 or 6 DVDS.

VINE: I agree there is no substitute for a real teacher.

Ok, and now my response for a resolution for the community. I ask Cory, if he would pay for more editing. HE said no. I asked Cory to talk my name off the website. He agreed. I put the links up on my website and on youtube. I removed them when I found a fake signature on Cory’s site.

I will make a version 2.0 within the next few months. 0and not give it to cory until he pays for it) I will give Cory’s customers the new version for free., if the contact me. I have nothing to gain here. And will lose money on every redo I
ship. If you bought a video please email me, I will take your address and ship when they are ready.

I would not call myself a master. Nor will you find me saying “I am a master” in any of the videos”

Thank you for all you questions, I’ll check back in a few days.

Respectfully,
Dustin Revere

[ACE]

thank you for clearing everything up and answering our questions dustin :)

i'm sure it means a lot to anyone who cares that you took the time to explain yourself.

[Mike_Aurelius]

As we say around here: Good on ya!

[smutboy420]

SMUTBOY: I honestly don’t have the time or finical resource to fight him. And in the end what do I get if I win? A stupid domain name? It just doesn’t seem worth it until he really hurts me. Anyway thanks for your support.

Hopefully in the end it don;t come down to you haveing to get a lawer or any thing if he makes the changes he says.

Hopefuly he hasn't hurt you beyond some bumps and bruses that you can move forward from and not follow you for the rest of your life.

[nickglassdood]

well big ups for step ups

def big mistakes all around

[yinzer]

thank you for some answers. its good that you cleared this up. i myself was worried there would be nothing but avoidance.
im glad he took your name off of his website.
its good that you are going to step up and make a new version....very respectable. really, all it needs is editing.
my personal doubts are no longer.

[PyroChixRock]

Cory agreed to take Dustin's name off his site. I don't think that qualifies him as a douchbag. He is from a different world, but he understood Dustin's enough to do what he asked. Give credit when it's due people.

Dustin, I think that's cool you want to reedit the screwy parts of the videos. I wouldn't give them away though, because as soon as you do, he could be selling them.

[CripSkillz]

and your name name is still on his site, just not in the guarantee, but still looks like your selling it, has your name right after here's how to order...

[Udai Hussien]

has anyone gotten a finished product yet? (I doubt anyone would openly admit it) from Cory? Im just curious, thats all. I so broke I think I'll go drive my new Mid Priced car, to the Apple store to buy two brand new Ibooks, and the New Iphones to replace the two new ones i bought when they first came out for me and my wife. I swear times are tough all over.