Ok let me try it this way?

[Glass Pyro]

If you could get any foot pedal which would it be?

I know me asking this is getting old but dammit, I just can't decide?:bangHead:


Mirage is what I run.

Thanks

[mer]

have you tried the search engine? i really think you'll grow to like whatever option you choose, none of the brands are shitty. i think you're over-thinking this. my wallet decided for me and i'm happy.

[Glass Pyro]

I over think everything, It gets ridiculous at points. Yeah I have tried the search engine extensively, thanks. What pedal do you use monkey? I don't know, it is just not clear on who makes the best one, maybe they are all good like you say.

Thanks.

[Mecha]

I have a smut pedal and it is awesome. I know you wanted a mechanical one, so I am not sure if this input helps or not, but it is a great pedal in my opinion. The price was not too shabby either. There are lots of other people on here that have smut pedals and love them as well.

[Mecha]

No such thing as over thinking, only over engineering!:D:D

[mer]

sorry, i though i told you in an earlier thread. i use a smutty pedal with a mirage. i have no complaints but if i ever do i know jj stands behind his stuff. i'm not saying that somebody else won't, i just already trusted smutty when it was time to buy and his prices are the lowest. they're actually on sale right now.

[Glass Pyro]

sorry, i though i told you in an earlier thread. i use a smutty pedal with a mirage. i have no complaints but if i ever do i know jj stands behind his stuff.

You may have told me monkey, thanks.

*Yells in a Loud NY accent* Yo smutty, I need a freakin pedal over here, wit a freakin bypass on it. You betta not screw me either or I'll send some goombas up from brooklyn. j/k......but not really

thanks guys.

[nodice]

Like mermonkey, my wallet decided for me. Less then $150 worth of supplies at graingers. Two solenoids, some wire, connectors, a plug, and a foot pedal. You can put it in anything you want. I used to put mine in an old ammo box, but now I just have the solenoids hangin. If I wasn't gonna make my own, I'd probably try the smut boy out.

[Glass Pyro]

And I don't really care if it is mechanical or not. I am just personally more inclined to go with mechanical because my knowledge is limited in electricity. But if it won't be humming louder than my air flow or blow me up from sparking up the propane, I am all about it.

If I wasn't so busy or maybe had one to study, I would probably just design one myself. Look for me making tools for you guys in the future, just as soon as I get caught up on my other 80 projects. I have been a machinist since 14 and I am 28 now.......I make stuff!

[Glass Pyro]

on a side note that guy MIKE GLASS, makes some nice tools and as far as I can tell just started making stuff for the glass world.

Hey mike I am also from LI, B & B Machine Shop in Lynbrook......that is where I learned it all, I am sure you heard of them.

[Mecha]

My pedal is whisper quite for sure. You cannot hear it above the noise of the fan.

Do you still have access to a machine shop?

[Glass Pyro]

yes I now work at one on the side and build custom race engines and such I kinda go at my liesure. Although I have about 5 or 6 guys that I have as customers on my own. I rebuild their engines at my home shop after every one of their races. My main job now is locksmithing for the state school system, 9 million sq. ft. of doors and kids who break shit. I stay pretty busy and milk the OT

[JANKYglass]

do you got access to steel wire mesh screen?i heard you get it from racing shops,and i just need a smallm piece

[Glass Pyro]

The shop I work at does only basic rebuilds on like 302's and shit. It is not a race shop, I hate working in these race shops down here(not into being told what to do by some rich redneck who doesn't know shit. ) I just do the race engines as a side gig, if I go to the machine shop it is to make something custom for my own projects, or to bore, hone, machine and build like 5- 302's or 350's or something like that to catch them up....just stock engine builds. I go at night when no one is around and bang out about 5 builds in 8 hours.

But to answer your question, I am sure I could find some here locally but do not have any.

[somberbear]

I use a smut pedel it works pretty good. im happy with it and the service when my pedel did foul up.

but i have to say for mechanical pedels the herbie is definatly tits.

peace
rob

[Big Jay]

I heard my smutty pedal buzz one time out of I don't know how many hours its been running. JJ has been really good about any questions I have ever had and has constantly told me no matter what problem arises send my gear in and he'll take care of it.
I can't tell you if any pedal is better cause I haven't used a different one, but I like being able to talk to Smutty whenever I got a question and I love my pedal.

[Glass Pyro]

where can i view the herbie pedal at, I no find it anywhere? The website has no pic? I don't think anyway.

[nodice]

Here it is, only $600:). (http://www.dichroicimagery.com/product_info.php?cPath=432_87&products_id=4139)

[menty666]

Heh...."only" 600.00 :)

[somberbear]

good gear costs..... i thought we went threw this one alread =)

peace
rob

[Glass Pyro]

what is so tits about that pedal somberebear, have you used it before?.....it looks pretty nice what are the three inlets for? A three stage torch perhaps?

Does it have the oxy bypass on it?

[Glass Pyro]

oh yeah and what does the small pedal on top do?

Thanks somberbear. and the rest of yaz.

[Big Jay]

Herbies used compressed air as well as gas and oxy.
I forgot to mention this before but just something to think about supporting our site supporters.

Don't forget that pedal doesn't shut the entire flow of gas off either.

[Glass Pyro]

Jay you confused me I think?

Herbies used compressed air....so that is what the third inlet is for. right?

Support smutty........Is that what you meant?

And what pedal doesn't shut off the flow of gas?.....the HA?

Thanks

[Big Jay]

well smutty is a site supporter but not the only one.

I assume that third inlet is for compressed air.

yes the HA(herbie) does not shut it off all the way.

[smutboy420]

Herbies used compressed air....so that is what the third inlet is for. right? Yes the 3'rd ominous nipple is for compressed air.


what does the small pedal on top do?
Thats the release for the catch thing that keeps the pedal down when its on.



HA(herbie) does not shut it off all the way. It lets some gas threw still and is so it works like a pilot light to keep the flame going.

[Glass Pyro]

It lets some gas threw still and is so it works like a pilot light to keep the flame going.

so I am confused again.... I have seen a smutboy pedal being used and the outer and inner were either on or when pressed the inner was only on. Right?

So the inner flame being on acts like a pilot light , correct?

so......what does the herbie pedal do that is different.
Only lets fuel thru when off.

so it has really 3 clicks to it?

[somberbear]

a little its all in how you plumb in your gases..... i got one pedel that does all or nothing .... and i got one pedel taht just does the out side , theres a few other ways to do it.

i like the herbie pedel for a mechanical , cause its beefy... and well made like every thing else i have ever touched from herbie....

i think winship also sells some of thema nd they do get a banner from here.

personal eather would be a great choice.... and yea thats the thing with mechanical you can get all or nothing which is adjustable on the propane side for pilot lighting , which cuts off the oxy or you can adjusted to take both the oxy and propane offline , i didnt tinker with it to much cause i didnt own it i was just borrowing...

you need to rig it for how you work . i like electrical cause then i can remote mount it and just splice it in some where , and just plug in the foot switch andplace it where i want , the herbie pedel if great cause it sticks where it is, but you have to run hoses straight to the pedel.

[smutboy420]

so I am confused again.... I have seen a smutboy pedal being used and the outer and inner were either on or when pressed the inner was only on. Right Yes on one of my pedals thats how it works the outer is fully on or fully off with the center fire always on.


So the inner flame being on acts like a pilot light , correct? yes as it pretains to one of mine. On a 2 stage torch


so......what does the herbie pedal do that is different.
Only lets fuel thru when off. Yes it leaves some gas on.

[Glass Pyro]

hey man I am about to call you

[TorchedGlass]

I say smutty hands down. I have worked on the griffen mechanical and electrical pedals and I think smuttys are better. I don't like the mechanical pedals because they are bulky and slow. I have had my smutty pedal for over a year and have not had ANY problems with it, and it is almost always virtually silent. I really don't see why everyone is worried about having an electrical solenoid near gas. Doesn't every home with a hot water heater that uses gas have an electrical solenoid on it to turn off the gas if the pilot light goes out??? If there was a problem using electrical solenoids near gas, don't you think we would have heard about something by now? just my $.02

[Glass Pyro]

I really don't see why everyone is worried about having an electrical solenoid near gas. Doesn't every home with a hot water heater that uses gas have an electrical solenoid on it to turn off the gas if the pilot light goes out??? If there was a problem using electrical solenoids near gas, don't you think we would have heard about something by now? just my $.02

that is exactly what i was thinking, when questioning the electrical thing.

[Glass Pyro]

smutty I called and you no answer. I will pm you, but call me for my card info, I won't put it anywhere near the web.

[Glass Pyro]

Thanks for helping me make up my mind guys. Now I want some new glasses and need to place a glass order. word. ooh, and a blast shield to kill some of that radiant heat.

[Blacksheep]

i chose the mechanical pedal after reading the electrics can burn out if left on
i think ive also read smutty's dont do that but just figured i would go with mechanical anyhow

im also electricity challenged, a small panel in the house that is pretty taxed already

I use a teklight t5 floro with 6 tubes in it if i have 2 on im fine but if i try to run all 6 it will kick the kiln breaker less electric works for me

i really like the idea with the remote mount though and just having the pedal under the bench.
thats the one thing about mechanical you have quite an octupuss of hoses right on the floor! ill be figuring out somehow to shield them from any potential hot bits of glass when im hooking up the new pedal.

[Glass Pyro]

Alrighty then, payment sent smutboy420. Thanks.

Build it, bag it, tag it , and send it. I cannot wait. sweeet.

[broken glass]

I have two HA foot pedals that i got for free, and one smut pedal that i paid for. I like both of them. Both have their pros and cons. Overall I like to use the smut pedal more, as it is instant on and off, unlike my HA, which can slowly shut off after clicking off.( not too slow, but not instant) On the down side, the smut P sometimes i click it and it clicks on and off really quick, not a problem but requires another click. The HA will probably last forever, and probably costs a lot more. Overall they are both very good pedals, and I would recomend either highly. Once you go to the foot pedals, you will not go back.

[Frankie Hess]

yes the HA(herbie) does not shut it off all the way.

This is incorrect.
Herbert Arnold pedals have an adjustable pilot for the gas if you need it for your application, you can close it completely and it works as a second stage pedal like any other pedal.

As for pedals, I have owned a HA and now own a Smutboy (Hotasstools) pedal. I personally like the Smut pedal better for my own personal reasons. Everybody is different. The thing I like most about it is, the pedal is small and much more sensitive to touch so I don't feel like I am getting a workout kicking my pedal on and off all day! If I want to move it around I don't have all my hoses to pull with it, and it does cut the flow of the gases a little faster, which could be attributed to the length of hose you have to have coming off of a pedal on the floor. I mounted my box under my bench to cut down on hose, which you can not do with a mechanical pedal.

There are pluses to mechanical pedals also, I just like the Smutboy pedal. HANDS DOWN!

Edit: I forgot to mention, I also like the fact that I can use it as a sustainable or momentary switch much easier. Sustain, just hit it and it sustains.
Momentary, kick it on then hold it down so that when you release it turns off automatically.
Yes you can do this with a mechanical pedal, but if you always use the same foot you will end up with one huge calf!
With the Smutboy pedal (or any electric pedal) you can literally use a 1/4" of the side of your shoe to hold it down with no effort. This makes placement of the pedal more versatile for me also.

[Big Jay]

This is incorrect.
.

I can't be right all the time.:D I must have it confused with another mechanical that says it doesn't shut down all the way. Its description says it goes down to a pilot. My bad.

[Frankie Hess]

I can't be right all the time.

Why not, my wife is!