Food for thought

[michaelangeloglass]

What gets me is how people are so crazy about techniques, don't make this patten because so and so does?

Who cares its not like any of us invented glassblowing, if we followed these "rules" lol like theres rules or even the fact of someone suggesting preposterous idea is so far off the beaten path its ridiculous.

It's like telling someone who's learning to play guitar to not play songs written by anyone else before they have even learned to play chords.

It is funny I won't mention names but to insist that someone not try a technique makes me sad because if this is the way we encourage each-other it's wrong.

This is what I have to say to you whom think you have invented glassblowing...

Don't blow a bubble because someone all ready did that before, don't push a bowl because thats been done too, and in-fact don't even pull a point because someone was doing that before you were even a thought in your daddys eyes. While were at it how about don't light your torch, because we all know somebody has done that one before any of us as well.


This is the point, I encourage people to blow glass everyday, show people how to make what ever they want and I say bite that technique and take it further then anyone has ever gone with it before.

What you thought Jimi Hendrix never played anybody music besides his own?

I think art being music, painting , glass and what ever is still influenced by creativity spawning from the inspiration of the artists before us.

In simple man terms , the artist saw something they liked about something they saw before and integrated it into their own work.


This isn't an argument of any sort, just a statement;o)

[michaelangeloglass]

bump

[Udai Hussien]

this coming from the same asswipe whom told me I wasn't an artist, because I had aprinti pulling stringers, making twisty cane, Oh and i didn't "batch" my own color. How's that working out for you mike? How is the "inner city, low-income" outreach school?

Oh this isn't an argument, just a statement, I'll bump this for you again too.

[michaelangeloglass]

"I wasn't an artist, because I had aprinti pulling stringers, making twisty cane"

Yea... Sounds like a slave driver to me, would you like your shoes shined up hows ya likes em? lol

Your not even on the same page homeslice.

Sounds to me like you are an artist, I just can't put my finger on which type...

Oh, I know A Con-Artist.

You should just go to Malaysia, I've heard that they have great labor rates that would fit your budget.

"How is the "inner city, low-income" outreach school?"

Um I don't know about inner city or low-income, but I do know the studio here is sick and I'm looking forward to the fall to get things rollin.

http://www.contemporaryglass.org


"I don't know you, but you're a fucking asshole" This is your quote?

Man, I am wasting my time again......

[Udai Hussien]

so you still batching your own color?

[michaelangeloglass]

I don't batch my own colors, I cross combine colors to make new colors..



Cobalt over Baby Blue,,,,

Transparent Orange over Opaque Yellow,,,

Dark Ruby over Opal Pink....


There is more combo's that make sick cane but those are my favorites....

I want to get into making color and I might very soon, but I only have 1 furnace and making color in the furnace destroys the pot really fast.

Maybe 1 day I would like to make a small furnace that reaches 2650 so I can make some experimental boro colors.


The only person I know that makes colors on the torch is Sue Ellen Fowler...

"Finally, beadmakers can and do use borosilicate glass, a very hard glass requiring greater heat. This is laboratory glass, such as Pyrex. Sue Ellen Fowler is credited for developing many of the original recipes for colored borosilicate glasses, which became the basis for the Northstar company's first products. Donald Schneider (personal conversation, late 1990s) recalls how years ago he had to make all of his own borosilicate colors (he still makes a tin white.) Northstar, and new Glass Alchemy (started by a former chemist at Northstar) now offer many colors, introducing several new ones every year. At one time, soft (soda lime and lead) and hard (boro) glasses had distinctly different looking palettes, but demand on the part of soft-glass artists for the silver strike colors on the one hand, and the development of the bright, cadmium based `crayon colors' in the boro line on the other, has softened the distinctions between them considerably."


She makes the nicest amber purple ....

[melt]

"It is funny I won't mention names but to incest that someone not try a technique"

incest dude???

[michaelangeloglass]

I type really fast and go back over things after I get the thoughts out, spell check suggested that 1 for me lol

Sorry haus

[mer]

i hardly know anybody who's bogarting technique anymore. conversely, i've found an overwhelming amount of people going out of their way to help each other. i guess i don't get the point?

[The Cheese]

He may be referring to when people say things like "that tech is dead" or "so-and-so came up with that, so I don't do it"

Me, I'ma sponge... I'll try anything, I don't care, just having fun with it.

[Udai Hussien]

I don't batch my own colors, I cross combine colors to make new colors..



Cobalt over Baby Blue,,,,

Transparent Orange over Opaque Yellow,,,

Dark Ruby over Opal Pink....


There is more combo's that make sick cane but those are my favorites....

I want to get into making color and I might very soon, but I only have 1 furnace and making color in the furnace destroys the pot really fast.

Maybe 1 day I would like to make a small furnace that reaches 2650 so I can make some experimental boro colors.


The only person I know that makes colors on the torch is Sue Ellen Fowler...

"Finally, beadmakers can and do use borosilicate glass, a very hard glass requiring greater heat. This is laboratory glass, such as Pyrex. Sue Ellen Fowler is credited for developing many of the original recipes for colored borosilicate glasses, which became the basis for the Northstar company's first products. Donald Schneider (personal conversation, late 1990s) recalls how years ago he had to make all of his own borosilicate colors (he still makes a tin white.) Northstar, and new Glass Alchemy (started by a former chemist at Northstar) now offer many colors, introducing several new ones every year. At one time, soft (soda lime and lead) and hard (boro) glasses had distinctly different looking palettes, but demand on the part of soft-glass artists for the silver strike colors on the one hand, and the development of the bright, cadmium based `crayon colors' in the boro line on the other, has softened the distinctions between them considerably."


She makes the nicest amber purple ....then you are not an artist, you made that statement also, if you don't batch your own color, you are not an artist. Then alex asked you if you were still living with your parents, and you disappeared, then captlazerpants went off about alex using 6 bucks of propane and not paying for it. that was a funny chat night.

[michaelangeloglass]

I think you are having a flash back or something.

What does any of this have to do with some people being freaks about people wanting to try or learn techniques that have all ready been done?

Nothing...



You are caught up in some post that was over a year ago......


Here's what I have to say to you ....


On this planet there are people that are intelligent, and then there's you...


Quit hatin

[Udai Hussien]

I think you are having a flash back or something.

What does any of this have to do with some people being freaks about people wanting to try or learn techniques that have all ready been done?

Nothing...



You are caught up in some post that was over a year ago......


Here's what I have to say to you ....


On this planet there are people that are intelligent, and then there's you...


Quit hatinUmm I thought this was a post about previous posts people made. You were the jerk-off whom openly said that if you do not batch your own color, you are not an artist. You were also going to start an inner-city, low income, glass studio, I assume you were just going to buy a few cases of clear, a few hundred pounds of color and let these new kids just have at it, right?

[glass_noob]

its not techniques that people i know dont want me doing its places i go to sell my glass and that shit pisses me off i got people telling me where i can and cant sell my stuff cause its dipping into their pocket..... if you dont want me dipping into your pocket STEP YOUR GAME UP!!!!!!!!! is all i gotta say i make cooler stuff than they do so they get jealous cause they buy my stuff not theirs.... anyone else have that problem

[Udai Hussien]

its not techniques that people i know dont want me doing its places i go to sell my glass and that shit pisses me off i got people telling me where i can and cant sell my stuff cause its dipping into their pocket..... if you dont want me dipping into your pocket STEP YOUR GAME UP!!!!!!!!! is all i gotta say i make cooler stuff than they do so they get jealous cause they buy my stuff not theirs.... anyone else have that problemno, not at all, I completely agree with you. Only thing aggravating is people who undercut you. Like say, spoons, wrap and rakes. you sell those to everyone for $7.50, well your old aprintice (or disgruntled ex-employee) goes to your accounts and is like "I make those for $5 each", just to undercut your sales. Then everyone expects to gt them for $5. That shit is kinda shady to me.

[jr23]

Its hard enough as it is so bitching and fighting amongst our own has got to have negative repercussions. The Shop owner is prob instigating it bye telling you about them and them about you. What you should do is sell what you can when you can, and spend as much time collaborating with other glassblowers as you do bitching and fighting over techs and shit. Then instead of bad vibes and long threads there would be more cool shit and good times.

[michaelangeloglass]

Yep, Step it up, then nobody can even get close to ya.

I have a few secret techniques, but if someone made them I wouldn't be too upset.

The hard thing is to find the market for really top notch work, and get the money you deserve for the work. If you hang tight you'll get it...


I really think that glass should be priced on time consumption and difficulty, some is and some is just the name.

I'm speaking about high end art shows.

Thats what I mean though if you get crazy on every piece then your clients will pay the money because it's kleen work.

The thing that struck me was a friend pointed out the fact that it is only a select amount of people that appreciate all the hard work that goes into all of these designs, believe me some people thing you put paint into the glass.


So to the average person it doesn't matter how long it took, or how difficult it was to pull off a technique, they think hmmm, I like that, but its too expensive, or they just buy it. You can also make things that are kind of nice take very little time, and you can sell cheap. The choice is yours:o)

Either way we all do the same thing here, and with that said " sorry I told you you weren't a real artist Dwane, you can be what ever you want to be"

I think I took it the wrong way like you were taking major advantage of someone, like they were your pet, because you knew something that they didn't. Anyways I barely remember it, memory is slightly fuzzy.

Imagine that:o)

[michaelangeloglass]

more cool shit and good times.


yes, yes

[Ben Burton Glass]

Parasol spinning casually,
Like, I'm an artist.
Please don't laugh at me....

[Ubatuba]

I am thinking about a bacon cheeseburger...

[jethro]

MMM, Bacon

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