Shipping pipes out of state........

[FoggyMountain]

Just wondering what i should know. I know that people do this all the time especially to head shop owners. I think i might want to jump on the bandwaggon to increase sales a little. I will be shipping to Texas soon (maybe). From what i here from multiple people who reside there, they have head shops and the sales of tobacco smoking products is completely legal, so i believe i should have no trouble shipping.

As for other states in the USA, i know that pennsylvania is one you should NOT ship to. After Tommy Chong's incident and past jail time.

Does anyone have any advice or may could help me compile a list of states that sell "tobacco smoking products".

So far the list goes

COOL
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California
Texas
West Virginia


NOT COOL
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Pennsylvania



Please feel free to chime in and let me know what your state is like.

[LoneWolfandSon]

i dont know about cool or uncool but sticky on top of the forum.
https://tokecity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php4?f=29

[FoggyMountain]

Thanks an extreme help. I have been asking this question a lot and haven't gotten an answer as good as that yet.

The only thing that confuses me is that Pennsylvania has head shops? I thought Tommy Chong did jail time for shipping to that state? have times changed in PA?

[Pfox_64]

I believe Tommy was charged because of the sales of "Bongs" in that state... Ive heard here in northeastern indiana from what the headshop owner told me he is its not legal to manufacture or sell bongs in the state of indiana... that may go as well for Pennsylvania.

[byron3]

Hey guys I own a pipe shop and have for almost 20 years. From time to time (usually around election times and when republicans are in presidential office) the Fed's do "publicity" bust, most companies are 1 million plus a month and in the case of operation "Pipe Dreams" had internet sites that sold glass smoking utensils. If the pipes you produce are not for illegal of illict smoking purposes then the intended use would be for tobacco. This use is covered by the ATF department of the Fed's and as such your customers MUST be minimum of 18 yrs. of age or older, something which can not be verified over the internet. You do not see cigarette machines in public places any more for this reason.
Some of the biggest wholesalers have stopped out of state sales unless you were an established customer with an existing account and had done business previous to 2003. But there is a long list of other examples Music City Marketing (1 milliion + seized in dugout's), Fishead Enterprises, Graphics, Barmus Wholesale.

Roor is a classic example, if you live in Cali then you can get all the Roor glass you want. We also have a shop in our city that was an established account and they can still get Roor. But Roor is not accepting any new customers outside of Cali. Hell you can't even find any contact information for them.

Your in Texas Chase down JD's and talk to the owner, he will sell to you if you come to Texas , but he does not want to ship across state lines.

As long as you stay within your state's boundry's the Fed's will keep there nose out of it.

Can you imagine being arrested and flown to Pen (or any other state) for an arrainment? Thats what they did to the owner of 101 North, Acme and other wholesalers. They froze there accounts and seized their assets, some of these folk's were worth millions and they were calling friends trying to get bank to fly home from where the Fed's snatched them up at.

[yinzer]

nothing has changed in pa.
it was not really pa that took chong, it was allegheny county (pittsburgh and surrounding area)
they then came and butt raped all of our head shops and after a few months of trying to make it without pipes(i think one shop moved and made it an extra 2 years-ish) they were eventually all gone.
there are still places that sell pipes here. tobacco shops mainly, but they only buy import. there is a head shop here that makes you sign all these papers to even look and kick you out if you look too long.
there are other counties with head shops. some of them have weird laws and loopholes. i was in a place up north that attached a bag of rolling tobacco to each pipe.
i would definately not mail here.

[michaelangeloglass]

I guess if you knew the folks you were sending the work to, then you should be o.k.

Seems as every other gas station or food mart sell glass pipes in Chicago so if you were ever wondering about here..........

[byron3]

Instead of shipping out of state, have you thought about contacting The Crush or Dynamite Distribution? Both are Cali companies that sell a million plus a month (or at least used to when the economy was rolling), they buy glass from producers on the west coast and act as middle man reseller. A contract with them could mean some serious cash.

Byron

[yinzer]

imo knowing the people you are sending them to doesnt mean jack
its not the store youre worried about, its the feds

[FoggyMountain]

:puzzled:

[FoggyMountain]

So what about international trade? I know that half of the damn head shops i go to are selling indian and chinese pipes? Isn't there a regulation on that? Why do i have to worry about shipping pipes in my state but other countries can ship all they want over here pumping our shops full of $2.00 shitty pipes and $35.00 quadruple bubblers. Making hard working already underpaid glass blowers like me work even harder to sell when i should be spending most my time on the torch.
:wes:

[FoggyMountain]

OK so what about release of liability? I have a disclaimer that should do the trick on my website.

Also i was thinking if it were to be a shop that may encourage repeat business then possibly i could get a photo copy of a valid ID or Drivers license and only ship to the address that accompanies it. Would that be good enough for the ATF?

And why do i have to worry? Could there be a ATF agent trying to set me up to sell out of my state? Wouldn't that be entrapment?