robbed

[chayes]

Well i left the studio for 3 and a half hours. Get back and go to work turn the torch on. What no propane. That's odd i just used it. My suspicions arose so i went out back to check on the tanks. Sure enough someone had stolen my propane tank(well actually air gasses,mine now) and my regulator.

Now comes the good part. I do have video surveillance on my tanks. So i go and review it and sure enough 6:53 pm guy pulls up and janks my shit.

And here is what a douche bag thief looks like. Now its in the police hands. Also this guy is gonna love it when these pics are all over town. Its a Small town and it won't take long to identify him.

[schmoinkel]

Wow, good job on the sevalance. And you got a sot of the gettaway truck.

That is some bunk bs tho

Scott

[sunray]

Those tatoo's on his arms are the cincher Can't say it wasn't him to the judge!!!
Post that around town!

[naughty pirate wench]

bummer deal. sorry it happened, glad you got it handled.

[JPlank]

I'm so sorry man. That's great you have pics though. I don't need to tell you this, but go crazy with posting pictures! He must be pretty close if he was just happening to drive by. goodluck!

[ALIEN!]

ask the police if its possible to look through their criminal profiles, try and match up the tats. Sorry to hear about the theivery. Check local trailer parks, campgrounds w/ rv's. Could be some ass gypsy. Get 'im!

[skip]

He'll be back for the liquid tanks. Just wait for him.

[chayes]

He tried for the other propane but i think someone spooked him. It looks like that in the video. He turned the gasses off and tried to rip the hose off but then took off quick. I guarantee when i talk to the lady at jiffy mart across the street tomorrow she'll know who it is. She knows everybody. Sux for me though instead of working tonight i went to the bar down the street and then........ Well at least i feel better about the situation now.

[seadal]

I dont want to sound like a dick but you are lucky all he got was a bottle of propane. Not all of your really valuable items.

I might add he looks like a tweeker, hopefully when the cops catch him he will have a bunch of dope on him. I guess a bottle of propane is worth 5 years to some drug addicts.

[chayes]

I also got to thinking about it. see that green tank in the pic he didn't touch that, and its worth way more than the close to empty propane tank he got. That oxy tank isn't hooked to anything and its weight in stee is more than the propanel. Why would he take just the propane? I mean he had the time you'd think he would have taken the oxy first and then dealt with the propane. He didn't even look at it he went straight for the propane. It seems odd factoring that in.

[Eric S]

not sure, in the first pic, it looks like he could have goggles on his forehead, similar to the philips goggles i wear. perhaps another glassblower just running low on propane? maybe itt'll magicly reappear tomorrow full....

[chayes]

I dont want to sound like a dick but you are lucky all he got was a bottle of propane.

Yeah last time i was robbed it was 3500 in glass hence the cameras. Your not a dick at all for that comment, you made a very sensible statement. Things can always be worse, that i know first hand.

[Johan]

What a fucking idiot!!!!!...Just like you said chris, why not the oxy tank? this guy is clearly a fucking retard...not only did he not see a camera facing right at him and his truck, but he showed his tats and stole the least valuable item.

I doubt he's a glassblower. A real gaffer would have taken that green oxy tank first thing. I bet you'll find him or the cops will. good luck!

[chayes]

I guess its funny because there is a big sticker right above the tanks that says your on video. Maybe the guy can't read.

[shark bait]

Its good thing you had a security camera installed.

Looks like you just missed getting his license plate on tape.

[n3rd]

good shit on the pictures! catch that slipper wearing tweeker!

[CripSkillz]

LOL fukin A thats tight beat his fukin asss if you find him.,, I bet he was BBQ'n and ran out.. oh wait tweaks dont eat much i forgot..

[harpentuan]

that sucks dude. your lucky he was too stupid to take the K-tank. I was warned that they get stolen off your doorstep.
I just saw that others said the say thing. I didnt mean to overstate.

[Conchis]

Well, you got some great photos...I bet he never thought he'd be be on film (even if it does say.. SMILE You're Being Filmed)....should have him by lunchtime today.

[somberbear]

just something to think about , but frankly if i was looking for cash i wouldnt go near an oxy tank. also the general public are fearful of oxy.... oh gosh it might explode like in the movies. the other thing is most oxy tanks here can be tracked. its hard to actualy get scrap for em. frigging 100 pound propane tanks on the other hand .... are every where.... can be purchased easy from lowes... and be sold to about any one that needs propane....

just some thoughts... i moved shops and put in security... if you dont protect your investment even in the slightests. whos fault is it really? its spendy but if you got 5gs invested atleast isnt 500 in security worth it? how about 500 a year in insurance?

i have gotten some great stuff on security cameras over the years. and its unfortunate that we have to do it. but it must be done.

good job. on getting info on this guy... i hate hearing about shop robberies... or shop fires. it is a peice of mind taht i have layers of security around here , even when im out of town. i really cant say if it will work. but its better then nothing. and it sucks while you wait for your claim to go threw. but its a lot better then starting over....

When i was young my mom lived in the only place a devorced college student could , the ghetto. I have seen some truely horrible stuff. and i guess thats affected how i deal with things. i know how low people will go.

Back up tools. i keep a portable kit , with every thing to get back tool wise. as i buy a new tool to replace an old one i cycle it into this protable kit. its kept in a safe place. It doesnt have glass or gas but an older torch, and hand tools. its also not to expensive over all. but it is enough for me to travel with and if i do get cleaned out i can be back to work in under a couple days. which sounds a lot better to me then a few months waiting for insurance to kick in. i still need to add work space, gas , and raw glass and vent. but those are fairly easy compared to getting all the hand tools in order.

safe keep your documents, pictures , work history , computer files on a crypted thrumb drive in a fire safe. and make copys and put them in a safety depost box. the tools might be gone , but youll need all the other stuff to get back on your feet. remeber if you can pick it up and walk off with it, its just as bad as emptying it. make em work for it.

security cameras , are great but you have to aim them , and have storage, also back up on a thumb drive is a common option if you can there are fire safes with usb connections to back up these files. and a ups power supply large enough to run a day is nice , so even if the power is cut you will still have this system running for a while.cameras are tiny and can be hidden , but i have found obvious servaliance is the best plan. i have put in a mix of broken cameras in the obvious spots and hidden cameras that are working , seams to work the best. if some one does go after the cameras they normaly go after the non fuctional obvious ones... and think there safe.

ADT- other monitored security , most insurance companys will give a discount for this option. it can be nice and it can be bad or expensive. but a very good thing to have honestly. most have intrgate fire alrams etc. i saw one offered with the panic buttons you carry on your key chain... an option if you think y ou might be hurt in your house or shop. to get medical attention if no one is around.

Insurance- go to your agent, talk with them see what they think are risks in your area , and what lists and values and how to document your holdings. see what programs and what it covers, its an afternoon and will help you in the long run protect yourself.

Attorney - always helpful to have some one to get legal advice from. and help you get your case threw. and help you if you are out of town. or the unexpected does happen. most attorneys have a small fee to be on retainer if you can find one. in general if you can find one you can get along with that is best. they can help you read over contracts , make contracts , and fill in your business plan.

locks - locks are only as good as the door and frame there attached to. i figure if they want it bad enough they should have to work to get it. get good locks with good keys go to a real lock smith to get it done. windows should be secured along with ventlation, windows , any thing entering or exiting. wall racks on tanks and protected line hoses are a great option also not just for theft but general safety.

Lighting - good night lighting , especialy in parking areas and access is a good idea. also where the cameras are.

People movement - controling who shows up at your shop. sence i work alone its easy to keep people away. there are nearly no one stopping buy for no reason. and i know that cant be casing the place. but thats not an option every where. i have been to shops where people randomly show up from the neighborhood and its freaked me out while im working. its a good and bad thing. you have to think how much you value obscurity as a safety missure. also there are people around my shop nearly 24/7. and i have a fairly good relastionship with my neighbors. those things i think are key. being on good terms with those around you can be helpful.

location - i moved my shop from the city to the country. its more secure, less random people around, and quieter, this also means i can work almost any time of the day with out worry of being in industrial space or having to follow noise ordiances. there are only a hand full of people that know where my shop is and are invited over. normaly i will go out and meet people rather then have them around my shop. if you do work in a city, learn your people flow, who walks when and why. who hangs out . what paths are to and from your shop. what kinda traffic. what are your risks and how can you shore it up. i had to put in about 4 concrete deviders infront of the doors to one shop becouse people would park infront of the doors and make it tough to move in and out of the shop appropriately. also to prevent people from ramming the security door.

Fire protection - there are many options here and you will have to tailor it to your situation , fire extenguishers , alarms etc , are good. co2 and even propane/natural gas detectors are good. shut offs for your gasses inside and out is a very good idea. and stage your tanks away from the building as possible. remeber its not just you and stuff your protecting with this , but your neighbors and firefighters. automatic fire bottles are avalible , figure out your escape routes. etc.

First aid - kits , training. there are accidents. some times this can save your life. i keep kits in each room of the shop the master kit in the office. common things like burn cream etc in the glass studio and bandages. liquid skin is a very nice thing to have.

Self protection - frankly a can of Halt brand dog spray , or a can of bear spray is nice , but with vent etc. is a bad idea you will most likely hurt yourself while scarying them away. tasers and stun guns can scare people away with out hurting any one. but have there own dangers.

Yes i own a gun, yes there is one in my shop. I will say if you do put one in your shop take training courses for defence and relevent to your state. know your laws or it will turn into a liability. and buy a safe or locking device. this is a last line of defence thing but like working. some times you just need the propper tool. You will personaly have to deside if this option if for you, if you doubt at all. then dont do it.

I dont mean to come out as paranoid. but over the years i have slowly added to security and safety little at a time. take little things and every year improve it and it will be a lot easier on you. you dont have to be paranoid to want to protect something dear to you i hope. I hope i never see an post or articale about a robbery/fire/injury. but i know i will. the point is not to stop these things. but to minimize damage and get back up and running in case something happends. i have had bad things happen to me and people i know. so this is just a logical evolving part of my life. honestly though do you really need a bad thing to happen to you to make you prepare for it? I hope it never happends but realisticly it can and a little foot work now and thought can prevent and help rebound from a bad event.

i will try to edit this more and post it. this is just a rough stream of concousness first draft. if there is any thing you would like to add i would be very happy to hear it. i want to keep every one informed as best i can.

rob

[Goldsmithy]

Sorry to hear about the theft. I HATE thieves. He should have that propane tank tied to his balls and then be thrown overboard in a deep lake. Wait...that is even to good for him...Smithy

[MUPH]

I'd SOOO glad you have the video. I've been stolen from before and its a terrible feeling.

Also, you cant make meth with oxygen

[menty666]

I'm only like 4 hours or so away and could use a vacation, need to form a posse?

Good luck nailing the bastard.




Sorry to hear about the theft. I HATE thieves. He should have that propane tank tied to his balls and then be thrown overboard in a deep lake. Wait...that is even to good for him...Smithy

Yes, but then he'd still be without his propane tank :)

[dislexei]

Would have been cool if the douche bag dropped the tank on his slipper.

[p.j.]

chris , sorry to hear about another incident at the shop. hope you get the bastard. hopefully the local police can get him. i bet the lady at the local mart knows him and the people at the local liquor store.

with so few people up in rutland this time of year, he should be easy to find. you should also check the local campgrounds.

good luck
pj

[chayes]

Well i took a walk over to p&p talked to a few guys sitting outside showed em the picture and they both identified him without any hesitation. Shouldn't be long.

[Conchis]

Long arm of the law reaching out to touch someone

[byron3]

Hopefully I can answer one of your questions about why. Meth cooks use propane tanks to steal anhydrous ammonia, one of the necessary ingredients for cooking. The AA is corrosive to the metals in the tank valves, you can tell a tank has been used for that purpose by a blueish discoloration of the valve. Be aware that tanks used for this will eventually corrode the threads on the valve assembly until very little pressure is required for failure.

Sorry to hear of your loss, good luck in the apprehension and prosecution of this criminal.

[Aymie]

Love it...gotta love small towns for that reason...and I bet he will have more than just the stolen propane tank on him when they bust him.

I'd run a chain through the top of all the tanks...no one is going to try to haul off that liquid...so just strap the propane right to it.

I have thought for years (since I was robbed by a glass blower "friend") that we should have a thread where we can post pictures of shop thieves. Then, anytime you are considering a new shop mate, you could just scan through the pictures real quick and make sure the new guy wasn't already identified as a giant douche fuck who steals from his own people. Now, I know that won't help avoid random tweakers, but it would have saved me a ton of heartache and trouble. After my issues, everyone was like, "oh yeah, that bitch is crazy, she stole from my friend too." I am so tired of studio theft...my sister never comes home and goes, "oh fuck, someone stole all my paint and brushes."

[The Lorax]

those pictures are priceless... hope you find him soon. Maybe put a fence around your shit too if you gotta.

[Aussie]

tasers and stun guns can scare people away with out hurting any one. but have there own dangers.


yeah, like the guy in QLD (that's north east Australia) who died after being tasered. The cops said they tasered him 3 times but a week later it was revealed that he was actually tasered 28 times ... autopsy: heart attack



anyway, I hope they can be persuaded to taser this thief in the nuts ... just once. Hope he doesn't make life hard for you after being charged ... he's looks like a tough guy, those slippers must be at least Slippers of Melee +1

[NOFO]

Chris sorry to hear about the BS you had to deal with. Nice job with the camera .. let the police deal with him...... let some time pass ..... then throw him the beating of his life bro.

[JSR Studio]

sorry about the theft. :(

[Mecha]

... those slippers must be at least Slippers of Melee +1

That's what I thought at first too. However, upon closer inspection, they are actually Slippers of Spider Climbing, so his THACO is unaltered. He should be easily subdued with a sap, or a first level magic missle....

[brettodie]

lol dnd geeks dude looks like he has a con. of about 6 the magic missle might kill him...... sorry to hear about the theft. gl with the recovery.

[chayes]

Well as of now i've talked to his probation officer.They now have a copy of the video, they are pursuing it and have alerted the cops in the town he lives. I believe they are gonna get him today. Now i wonder how long til i get the tank and regulator back.

[p.j.]

Well as of now i've talked to his probation officer.They now have a copy of the video, they are pursuing it and have alerted the cops in the town he lives. I believe they are gonna get him today. Now i wonder how long til i get the tank and regulator back.

congrats. i hope they don't hold the stuff as evidence for too long, because it seems to be a probation violation it might not even be held

[LifeGlass]

Byron beat me too it, that guy looks like a cook! Hopefully he hasnt used the tank or reg. yet, otherwise you dont wnat that shit back at all. And in my Firefighting career, I have seen my share of propane explosions, and The AA, leaves a bluish to greenish residue, so good luck and check it out before using them.

peace

[LifeGlass]

Yeah def. a cook, he is too big to be a fiend.....he was steppin his game up and needed those big cylinders, the 20#'s werent cuttin it, business must been good for him, til now. Nice Chayes.

[ALIEN!]

Glad to hear the law is on your side today Chayes, hope you get your tank back undamaged. You might want to consider puting up a cyclone cage around it with razor wire. Every welding shop I worked in did, and for good reason. The last shop I worked at kept shitloads of steel, horses, bins, welding fixtures and positioners outside. We had shit stolen left and right, stuff that required a large forklift to move. Shit one day I brought in a big positioner (like this one http://www.cedricbodeengineering.com/ximages/amin-heavy-duty-positioner-2.jpg)
it took a good hour plus to get it where I needed it, then came to find some asshole stole all the copper wire out of the machine. I still cant figger oot why the owner never installed cameras or lights in the yard.

[canaan]

Chris, are you running a tape, or a digital system ? just curious.....

What would have been nice is if the lox tank had vented just after he lifted your tank, scared the crap out of him, and [I]then[I] he dropped it on this toes. that would have been worthy of one of those americas dumbest criminal shows.

sucks to be robbed, of anything .... but isnt instant karma a real bitch sometimes.

[chayes]

I have a digital system with six cameras and the option to add two more.Which i might do. Its full time 24 hour recording. I just got a chain and some padlocks, so hopefully its all secure.

[somberbear]

Im just glad no one was hurt. stuff is replacable people are not.

sounds like you got a good plan. i have an off site recording place , and local network viewing which means i can get emailed pictures etc if set up right .... the wonders of technology. and big ups for the night vision ones...... you never realize how many animals live around you till you look at the security cameras....

[harpentuan]

I bet he's a terrorist.

[smutboy420]

Well i took a walk over to p&p talked to a few guys sitting outside showed em the picture and they both identified him without any hesitation. Shouldn't be long.

NICE. I figured it would not take to long to get a name to the face. and him having a probation officer makes it just that much easier to track him down. And thats one set of cops that love when some one goes bad and they get a chance to screw with the person. lol lol for him.

Hope you get your tank back soon.

[Meerkat]

Now see if this had been the CSI tv show you could have taken that grainy image and in real time been able to rotate all around the scene and gotten the guys license plate and then digitally enhanced his face and tatts down to where you can see his skin pores, just like they do on the show every week.

[kbinkster]

Now see if this had been the CSI tv show you could have taken that grainy image and in real time been able to rotate all around the scene and gotten the guys license plate and then digitally enhanced his face and tatts down to where you can see his skin pores, just like they do on the show every week.
Yeah, and if that's not enough, they could run the pic of his face through a database of facial characteristics and get an exact match - listing his current address and known hang-outs.
I don't know if they do that on that show, but they do on others.

Chris, I'm sorry you were stolen from. I hope they catch him before he ruins the tank.

[chayes]

His Po called me and left a message that he has been arrested. He will be in court tomorrow. I'm not sure how long its gonna take to get the tank back. I've talked to airgas and let them know my situation so they're giving me a little time to recover the tank.

I guess all i can say is i'm happy this guy got busted. I would have loved to see the look on his face when it all went down, cause i bet he thought he had gotten away with it. And even if for some reason i don't get the tank back at least i got justice.

[Johan]

lol...sweet. Did he take your regulator too? If you don't get it all back he should at least be able to pay you the cash to get a new tank and regulator plus if he broke anything. If you really want to screw him you could sue him for all of that and plus the money you lost from loss of fuel. Think of all the stuff you could have made while dealing with this crap.


But thats a lot of work and a real pain in the ass. In the end it's pretty cool that you got some justice and i bet you feel much less viloated.

[chayes]

well I just talked to the officer in charge of things and this guy has three charges from this incident. I gave the officer the total value of the tank,regulator, and the hose. I also mentioned i was out of work for the night.

[n3rd]

good for you Chris !

[nodice]

I dont want to sound like a dick but you are lucky all he got was a bottle of propane. Not all of your really valuable items.

I might add he looks like a tweeker, hopefully when the cops catch him he will have a bunch of dope on him. I guess a bottle of propane is worth 5 years to some drug addicts.

+1. Gettin shit stolen from ya sucks. Crime is on the rise everywhere cause of the economy. Ya better watch your asses, and I don't mean getting ripped off for less then $400 worth of propane and regs either. People get desperate when they can't pay for food and stuff they need. Do a search on google for rise in crime and you'll see some crazy stuff......

[menty666]

well I just talked to the officer in charge of things and this guy has three charges from this incident. I gave the officer the total value of the tank,regulator, and the hose. I also mentioned i was out of work for the night.

woohoo! Score one for the good guys

[nodice]

woohoo! Score one for the good guys

How's that? It's not like chayes gained anything. It's also obvious that arresting people like that doesn't do anything since he was on probation in the first place. Now the taxpayers just have to pipe up a bunch of money because some idiot decided to take a few little things that weren't his. I say we just cut off his hands, brand a T on his forehead for thief, and call it a day.

[kebira]

I say we just cut off his hands, brand a T on his forehead for thief, and call it a day.

Oh,right. So his nipples go unscathed. Why don't we just give him 10 bucks,a pat on his ass and send him off. By the look of his tat's, the "T" would be an artistic upscaling.

[smutboy420]

Hey if taxes are going to be collected and waisted any way. At least if the guys a crook and in jail thats better then if it was some thing that should not even be a crime.

The government has the power to borrow and tax so they certainly are going to spend the money some were some way shape or form any way.

Besides now at least if he gets sentenced to prison in VT the state of Texas will make some money housing him. lol

[KahunaGlassArt]

get that scum bag douche!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: didnt read the entire thread and just realized the 5-0 already caught him :)

glad to hear that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Greymatter Glass]

I have a security system in place as well.... hope I never need it but I feel better knowing it's there.

Those were some good images there, deff helped the case.

If you go to court you can also make him pay for your security system - judges LOVE doing that. Essentially, if it wasn't for him you wouldn't need it, so it's his liability.

[J Howard]

doug.... that's hilarious, i love it

[chayes]

Here is a newspaper article about the guy. BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20090629/NEWS01/906290358/1002/NEWS01

[phab]

...dood, you get the GLDG public service award. sounds like that guy is a huge douche. held without bail for stealing a propane tank lololol!!

[nickglassdood]

dood hes a regular customer of haze glass?

[Bo Diddles]

Dood!

[kbinkster]

A regular customer? That's terrible!

[chayes]

Retail shop.

[Aymie]

What a freakin' moron. I'm not the guy in the video?!?! Really?!?!?

[KahunaGlassArt]

haha i read the article. that guy is a complete moronic douche who i want to punch in between the eyes

[Bo Diddles]

What about claiming he wasn't driving when he got pulled over?!
Priceless.

[Conchis]

He's not smart enough to be a career criminal, he really has to go to "alibi class" and take some notes.

[smutboy420]

LOL LOL awesome it really embellishes how stupid the guy is. Funny thing is he probably thinks either hes super smart or thinks the average person is completely retarded to even try saying stupid stuff like that ain't him in the video. Also to try and tell a cop thats got him pulled over and the only one in the truck behind the wheel then say he wasn't driving. lol lol lol
What a dumb ass! That really made me laugh.

Guys like that and jail go together like cake and frosting.

[vetropod]

Funny story!!!

Rutland, huh? Are you near Hartland? I've got some good friends there...

[nickglassdood]

im gonna have to look out for this dood in south royalton

[p.j.]

"it wasn't me" is the best excuse ever.

[CripSkillz]

HAHAHHA yes good one.. article makes it even better,, Thieves can all rot in jail far as im concerned,, I hate gettn robbed and its only happened like 3 times in my life.. and I never got this kind of satisfaction..

[Dom]

Im glad the fucker got caught, but the more important question is, why didnt you have the tanks somehow secured so noone can steal them?

[chayes]

south royalton and hartland are both about 45 minutes from here.

^^ I guess i thought who'd be stupid enough to steal my tanks. Well i now have an answer, and they are chained now. Hindsight 20/20 Live and learn i guess.

[Mr. Whale dick]

at least he didn't peek in the magic box..................:)

[skip]

haha

[Johan]

LMAO..what a dope!

[chayes]

And it only took ya a week to think that one up. :poke:

[Zed]

Did you get your tank back?

[chayes]

Nope.

[Icarus]

...

Congrats on getting some justice.

[ornametalsmith]

priceless...........good prevails over eeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvil. criminals are stuuuuupid, he could be the Poster Boy. He should be "sterilized", nipped in the BUDS. :evilLaugh
Hope you get your tank back soon.

[The Lorax]

nice

[chayes]

sux the probation officer showed up and gave me a subpoena. So now i HAVE to go to court.This guy wasted enough of my time by stealing the tank. Still I have no tank, and now i HAVE to waste more time. More of a headache than if i had just bought a new propane tank and a chain.

[β]

just think about the extra time you are spending court will help keep this guy out of everyone's yard for a little longer :D

[phab]

sux the probation officer showed up and gave me a subpoena. So now i HAVE to go to court.This guy wasted enough of my time by stealing the tank. Still I have no tank, and now i HAVE to waste more time. More of a headache than if i had just bought a new propane tank and a chain.

...yeah it would be a lot easier if you could have just shot him but theres even lower life scum that gets due process. he'll probably make a deal and plead guilty before the trial so you may end up not having to go. the penalty will be more if he goes to trial and loses.

[Eric S]

It makes quite a statement about the american justice system and the state of society today when the whole problem is you dont have your tank, and the solution is wasting LOTS of time for lots of people, wasting LOTS of money, and ruining 1 persons life. With the time, effort, and $ invested in this, your town could have just spent more $ on welfare or something for people to stupid/lazy to work for themselves (which isnt really okay for them but...) and preventend all the workin folk from getting their shit jacked.

[Conchis]

Naw, this putz will show up in court and try to convince the judge he's not standing there.

[Johan]

Naw, this putz will show up in court and try to convince the judge he's not standing there.

LOL I wouldn't be shocked.

like someone else said...You going to court for one day will be doing the cummunity a favor. Getting this dope off the streets before he does something stupid and gets somebody hurt or killed, because he's so damn stupid, is a good deed.

Plus then you will be able to tell the judge about how you need the tank for your business and how this man took away business from you. I wouldn't be suprised if the judge forced the man to dish over the tank and some loot.

[nickglassdood]

ya cuz tank jackers got mad lot or all those future wages to garnish

[Sparkey]

I just ordered two of these:

http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WVC54GCA

They record, you can monitor them via the internet, and they will send your cell phone/email pictures or video when they trigger motion.

Josh

[Greymatter Glass]

...to even try saying stupid stuff like that ain't him in the video. Also to try and tell a cop thats got him pulled over and the only one in the truck behind the wheel then say he wasn't driving....

Eh, FWIW he was being smarter than you'd think. Stupid would be to admit guilt to an officer.

It's best to not say anything, period. A denial wouldn't look good in court if found guilty... but still... NEVER ADMIT GUILT.

Of course if things work the way they SHOULD this guy will never get another chance to lie to a cop.

[CripSkillz]

obviously things DONT work that way.. bullshit