Gold for sale

[Goldsmithy]

I sell gold for fuming. Any type, any color, and any karat. I guarantee the purity of any gold I sell. The 24kt. will be 24kt. The 22kt. will be 22kt., and so on. I can alloy gold to your specifications.

All gold is sold by weight based on the second London spot price. The first London spot price is the price of gold in the morning. The second London spot price is the afternoon price. The price of gold is based on supply and demand and is a global market. Historically, the London spot prices are used to determine what gold is sold for to gold manufactures like the chain industry in Italy.

You can find anything you want to know about gold at www.kitco.com. Or just ask me...:)

I have been in business at the same location for 24 years. I am rated by the Jewelers Board of Trade. My contact information is:

TBear, Inc dba Teddybear's Jewelry Patch
Teddy Finesman
8405 Reading Rd.
Cincinnati, Oh 45215
(513)761-9300

I'm a really horrible salesman so if you need anything, just call me and I will provide the best service you could ask for. I stand behind everything I sell....

[Conchis]

Thanks for posting this Teddy. I'm set right now, but I've been looking for a good supplier that I can trust. I'll be calling you.

[metalbone]

fwiw, gold is on a ripping tear right now, might be good to wait until it experiences a mini-crash before making a purchase for fuming purposes.

[Goldsmithy]

fwiw, gold is on a ripping tear right now, might be good to wait until it experiences a mini-crash before making a purchase for fuming purposes.


You are absolutely right. Gold is going crazy right now. Buy only what you absolutely need.

My theory, and my theory only, is look at the value of our dollar. As the value of the dollar strengthens, the price of gold seems to drop, and conversely so. But just like our current economy, no one knows for sure what is going to happen. If the economy becomes more unstable and the economy weakens, people will flock to gold ( guns and ammunition will be popular also) as a safe haven. So far, I feel that the intrinsic value of gold hasn't increased, our dollar is just worth less taking more dollars to buy the same amount of gold.

[metalbone]

true, as gold goes up, the dollar goes down. But when it come to debt reduction, a dollar is a dollar regardless of how many dollars an ounce of gold buys. So, if I am going trade dollars for gold, I'd rather trade less dollars for more gold (when the prices are lower) and have a few extra dollars left over to reduce the debt load. Hence the advice not buy when gold/silver is climbing like a rocket, regardless of golds intrinsic value.

But if S does HTF and you need some to fume, you will be SOL and forced to pay higher prices. Either that or just use your guns and ammo to steal some...

BTW, seems like ammo has been in short supply for over a year now...doesn't bode well.

[Greymatter Glass]

The VALUE of gold has been pretty stable for years... the PRICE of gold in US dollars reflects our abandonment of the Gold Standard and the sinking VALUE of our dollar.

... good on gold here tho, thanks :)

-Doug

[metalbone]

The VALUE of gold has been pretty stable for years... the PRICE of gold in US dollars reflects our abandonment of the Gold Standard and the sinking VALUE of our dollar.

... good on gold here tho, thanks :)

-Doug

yes, with one addition to the equation; gata argues that the price of gold also reflects hold-down efforts by something they term the "cabal" who may or may not be a combination of central and bullion banks that are selling paper gold short, which controls the spot price.

Sorry goldsmithy for the highjack, back to your fuming gold for sale...is it in the form of grain, wire, or sheet?

Also, do you have a factor that we can apply to the spot price to estimate your sales price and the price of gold fluctuates?

[smutboy420]

BTW, seems like ammo has been in short supply for over a year now...doesn't bode well. Ammo is even out preforming gold right now.
and harder to find then gold.

YA ammo has been almost impossible to find in the last year. When it can be found the price is reflective to its scarcity. The price has doubled and in some case has quadrupled in the last year. A case of 7.62x39 that used to cost $99 is now $380 ish and even finding a full case is imposable with out ordering it and having to have it shipped.

[The Lorax]

i'll vouch for Teddy. Dealt with him on a few separate occasions and has been pleasant/trouble free every time. Great guy to deal with,

[metalbone]

Ammo is even out preforming gold right now.
and harder to find then gold.

YA ammo has been almost impossible to find in the last year. When it can be found the price is reflective to its scarcity. The price has doubled and in some case has quadrupled in the last year. A case of 7.62x39 that used to cost $99 is now $380 ish and even finding a full case is imposable with out ordering it and having to have it shipped.

Robin: "Holy SheepshiP Batman, $380 for case of ak rounds?" Sheez!talk about friggin gouging!

Cabelas has a case of 640 for 190, but I'm not sure it is a full case.

[Goldsmithy]

Sorry goldsmithy for the highjack, back to your fuming gold for sale...is it in the form of grain, wire, or sheet?

Also, do you have a factor that we can apply to the spot price to estimate your sales price and the price of gold fluctuates?

Yes I am working on a price sheet as we speak. Also, I am working on a post that will take the "mystique" out of figuring out how the gold market works. I buy scrap gold and send it to a refinery to have all impurities removed. But I digress...

It is amazing the amount of people that think all gold, whether 10kt or whatever, is worth the spot price of gold. This will all be explained in a post to come. Also, how to get more consistent results for your fuming and how to make you kareted gold go further in fuming. Just want to make sure of a couple of things....Teddy (who secretly wishes he was a gun dealer about right now)

BTW, I can supply wire, sheet or grain (bb sized). Any advice on which is most popular or the best to use would be greatly appreciated.

[themoch]

i like wire or sheet because i can nip off smaller sections as needed.

the grain is a bit tougher for that.

[vetropod]

Will you trade for lead? Some people can make gold out of lead, but I can't.

[Goldsmithy]

Will you trade for lead? Some people can make gold out of lead, but I can't.

I can't either, but I know this guy named Midus that can make gold from anything...just by a touch.


...Teddy

[metalbone]

Y... Any advice on which is most popular or the best to use would be greatly appreciated.

I prefer sheet because I can control the size of the individual piece I cut out.

[Conchis]

I use casting grains...so looks like we have all three covered. Wire would be okay too, but I suspect making the wire or sheet would involve some costs that would raise the overall price.

[Goldsmithy]

This is getting interesting. I talked to my refinery today to get a labor cost for the production of wire and sheet. I couldn't get a straight answer. I am going to check this out more fully. This information is not covered in any of there catalogs and they don't want to give it out.

I will let you all know as soon as I find out.

Here is another idea I have in the works. I am having some clear glass pipes fumed with the various karats and colors of gold. I will post pictures and they will hopefully show the differences between the metals. Tell me what you all think please....Teddy

[smutboy420]

labor cost for the production of wire and sheet

Labor cost would depend on what equipment was being used and the source of labor.

If using a powered rolling mill lets just say its much less labor then if hand rolling it with a hand cranked mill.

[Conchis]

it's cheaper to just buy casting grain, put one grain on an anvil....flatten it, and cut it yourself...it's not difficult to do. I like the idea of seeing the different colors with different K. There is a difference. It seems to me that 24K is redder than 22K. I like them both but it would be interesting to see the ranges.

[metalbone]

gold is on a rip roaring tear right now....sigh....I guess that what happens when your central bank prints paper (digits) like there is no tomorrow....

so maybe now is the time to stock up on fuming stock before the prices go higher...

GS, so whats the going rate based on $1080 spot? say for an inch of 24k wire (gauge?)?

[Goldsmithy]

The price of gold is determined by the weight. It is sold by either using grams (31.4 grams = 1 oz) or pennyweights ( 20dwt. = 1 oz.). The approximate weight of the wire can be determined by a chart found at http://www.hauserandmiller.com/fab/round.html. The daily price of gold can be found at www.kitco.com.

For example, if you are using 10 gauge 24kt gold wire, we can see that one foot of 24kt. gold wire will weigh aprox. 1 ounce or 20 dwt. In 22 kt., 1 ounce will weigh aprox. 18.71 dwt.. If we use $1,080.00 per ounce as the price of gold, a 12% manufacturing cost is added for turning the gold into a wire form. That would be $129.60 per ounce added to the gold spot price ($1,080.00) will equal $1,209.96. That would be the cost of ONE FOOT of 24kt, 10 gauge round wire. To find the price of 1 inch, divide by 12 which would be $100.80 at a $1,080.00 gold price.

I go by the second London gold fix which is found on the left side of the Kitco home page.

I know I am not the best at explaining things, so if anyone has any questions, you can reach me at (513)761-9300...Smithy

[ornametalsmith]

gold is on a rip roaring tear right now....sigh....I guess that what happens when your central bank prints paper (digits) like there is no tomorrow....

so maybe now is the time to stock up on fuming stock before the prices go higher...
(gauge?)?

think the latest RISE was because India just purchased 200 tons of gold from the IMF. Can you imagine........and the purchase price was somewhere in the $1045.00 an oz price. Talk about "hedging against inflation and the dollar".....holey SHITE, batman.
the FED does need to quit printing more $$$$.. but I don't think that will EVER happen. Almost looks like they are trying to KILL the US dollar ...which would enable a different currency to become the leader in the world markets(oil etc). And open the door to the NAU currency. If the dollar was "sound" there would be no way US would EVER consider, or be able to persuade a move towards the NAU .....not into fear .... but....does make one wonder..WTF?

I know that this is off topic....didn't mean to go off on a tangent :o: I now return you to your regularly scheduled programing :chilling: never mind.....

[ornametalsmith]

I know I am not the best at explaining things, so if anyone has any questions, you can reach me at (513)761-9300...Smithy

Think you did a fine job, Goldsmithy.

[metalbone]

So I guess the name of the game is to stick up on fuming stock before the Amero makes it's appearance?

[ornametalsmith]

So I guess the name of the game is to stick up on fuming stock before the Amero makes it's appearance?

DOH!!!.......IF that happens think "fuming" will be the least of our worries.

[metalbone]

"fuming" is code for "stacking"

[ornametalsmith]

LOL>......and I thought I was confused BEFORE....

[Goldsmithy]

I hate to sound as Mr. Doom and Gloom, but Ornametalmsith hit the nail on the head. Gold is not worth more...our dollar is worth less. And I think it will get worse because our Gov't is not solving problems...it is just throwing more and more money at the problem.

I would stock up on gold...AND...ammunition, a rain barrel full of water, medical supplies, and enough food to last a week.

Also, I don't care which party is in power...I distrust them both...Smithy

[metalbone]

LOL>......and I thought I was confused BEFORE....

I guess that was a bit cryptic. Stacking is collecting a stack of metal to ride out the rough times ahead, as Smithy has correctly pointed out.

Hey Smithy, I've tried fuming an 18k electrum alloy, and it made a really nice orange that when viewed in the sun, had some killer yellows and blues that could be seen through the orangish pink. Fumed it then striped it. Have you thought about offering your own special alloys?

[Goldsmithy]

Metalbone...I a not familiar with the electrum alloy. The refinery I deal with has over 250 different types of alloy and electrum may just be called something else there. If you have the spec's on the electrum alloy I will try to find it. I can then make it in 18kt.

Offering a special alloy will come 1)when I close the shop 2)when I can afford to play with the alloy myself and not have to pay someone else to do it, and 3) when I learn how to fume :)

What I am planning is to put together a display that will show the fuming effects for 18, 22, 24kt. gold, green gold, red gold and pure silver. Also, I am going to make some fuming gold out of the type of scrap one might get from a relative of unknown quality. I am hoping that this will help people determine what metal they want to use.

If I could figure out how to get 34 hours in a day, I would have time to do everything quickly :)...Smithy

[metalbone]

electrum is a straight up au/ag alloy, no cu. It is similar to pure green gold, but most refiners still use some cu in thier green for hardness. for fuming, it may be easier to make your own alloys rather than depend on a refiner, due to minimum order requirements coupled with the fact that fuming doesn't use a whole lotta metal. the problem with that alloy family is that one metal burns off faster than the other, which affects consistency.

[Goldsmithy]

a straight au/ag alloy would be easy to make. Just use 18 parts .999 gold with 6 parts .999 silver. It all goes by weight as far as the karat is concerned.

AFAIK, 24 kt. gold only comes in an orangish/yellow color. I have never seen green gold with a .999 purity...but I don't know everything.

One thing I forgot to mention earlier is that any gold containing a copper alloy, when highly heated, will produce a cupric oxide on the surface of the metal that may interfere with getting consistent results. If you are experiencing degradation in your fuming, try sanding the fuming bead lightly with 320 grit sandpaper ( I would use wet/dry sandpaper with water). You may find your consistency has returned. Just a thought...Smithy

[metalbone]

whoops, wrong terminology, pure green meant green w/o cu., not .999 green

[metalbone]

Looks like Gold is too damn expensive to waste fuming it on glass...1142/ounce. Sheeeeet!

[scottypm]

$1350 an ounce! FAWK. Im glad i secretly stashed away a few .9999 coins from when our government wasnt suppressing our dollar as much (im goin broke but still wont sell em :-P ...hopefully its the right choice?)
Still have some small pieces i got off ebay to fume with...i love the effects of silver/gold and would hate to see a dying "old school look" acutally die.
flame on fume on!

[Goldsmithy]

Sorry, I've been away for a while. No, not in jail. What gauge whire do you need? I can tell you the weight for an inch.

Gold is at $1,347. per ounce and silver is at $23.22. Some experts believe that gold will go to $1,500. by Christmas. Some experts believe that we are in a commodity bubble and it will burst soon, causing a big drop in gold prices.

And what Metabone said is true to the core... We are spending ourselves into the great abiss. Truly we are.

And it's not a pretty picture.

I will happy to supply gold at spot market price in any quantity, shape and size you want. It cost money to change gold into sheet and wire. I haven't made sheet or wire in years, but I may have to start for just my regular work...GS

[metalbone]

I bought a ounce of gold in 2006 for like $500, and when I can sell it and buy a kobuki, I'll start a post titled "Kobuki for $500 ?"

[CripSkillz]

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