Encasing paper

[menty666]

Is there a way to do it? I'm not expecting to be able to use copy paper, but is there something that'll hold up to closing the piece up? I figure annealing's out of the question.


I tried it a little while back with some kiln paper, I was trying to make a fortune cookie, and it browned a little but survived otherwise.

Strange though, today a fireman came up to me and asked if it was possible. I have no idea what he had in mind to put in there, but I figured I'd toss it out there.

Maybe if you slipped in a rolled piece down a long enough point once it cools you could seal the tip, but I still don't think you're going to get very close to the actual top of your container without singeing the contents.

[HiAltitude]

I wouldn't think that would work with regular paper. I've had a marble pop off the punty and roll across my design drawing. The paper began smoldering as the marble rolled across. But your tube idea might work -- if it's cool enough to touch it should be cool enough for paper.

Fusers use colored fiber paper, as long as it doesn't go all the way to the edge of the glass. I have a 10" bowl with a blue crinkled fiber paper background. I let it soak a long time (~ 4 hours, as I recall) before going up to fusing temp, to avoid air bubbles, and the paper didn't discolor at all. I've never tried putting it in the flame or using it with boro, though.

Delphi used to carry it, but I haven't gotten any recently, so I don't know if they still have it. It looks just like regular paper though, so maybe it would work for him (unless he's trying to preserve an existing letter or something like that).

[vetropod]

Probably if you piss on it before encasing, like Cupcake-style, it'd work.

Actually, why don't you just make a hollow thing, anneal it, pop the paper in there and plug the hole with epoxy or whatever? There are a bunch of threads on how to do that with the pixie dust liquid.

[menty666]

Probably if you piss on it before encasing, like Cupcake-style, it'd work.

Actually, why don't you just make a hollow thing, anneal it, pop the paper in there and plug the hole with epoxy or whatever? There are a bunch of threads on how to do that with the pixie dust liquid.

Yeah, that's kind of what I told him might be a better route; making the container, cutting the top off then using a clear epoxy. I get the impression he wanted a business card or something in there. Or, being a fireman, maybe he wanted a 'break in case of emergency' sort of item.

I know Delphi has fusing paper, but it's a little pricey to just get to play with.

http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm?page=itemView&itemsysid=192122

[HiAltitude]

Yeah, with Delphi it's all about watching for sales. I've read where people have just painted enamel over regular fiber paper and they say it works just as well.

There is also decal paper that you can paint on or print on with an inkjet printer and then fuse it to glass. As I recall, it's tack fused to the glass first, and the medium burns off leaving the printed image in iron oxides (or enamel, if painted) on the surface of the glass, then you can cap it with clear and do a full fuse. I have some photos that I did that to, and they came out a nice sepia tone. Just a thought. But it doesn't look like paper.

I wonder if inkjet printing directly onto regular fiber paper and then encasing that, would work.

Cooks bake with parchment paper and wax paper, though it does get a bit brown at the edges. Both types of paper hold up pretty well to oven level heat. But the torch is another matter.

The epoxy is a sure thing, and probably a lot less work.

[lucidvisions]

It can be done, but obviously cannot be annealed afterwards. We had a guy who wanted a hand rolled cig in a tube sealed up. The tube was big enough that the top of the cig was down enough not to get burnt just had to hold it up and with a small flame seal it.

Josh

[Swampy]

fuel + heat + air = fire

so if you take out the air, as in a vaccuum, would that reduce the tendency to combust?

Good idea anyway Tom.

[Bryan]

It can be done, but obviously cannot be annealed afterwards. We had a guy who wanted a hand rolled cig in a tube sealed up. The tube was big enough that the top of the cig was down enough not to get burnt just had to hold it up and with a small flame seal it.

Josh


a cig huh lol :devilish:

[menty666]

fuel + heat + air = fire

so if you take out the air, as in a vaccuum, would that reduce the tendency to combust?

Good idea anyway Tom.

That's a whole other kettle of neon producing fish LOL


If I were to guess though, I'd say the heat would cause the paper to off gas something in the chamber and it still might be enough to char. Interesting theory.

[lucidvisions]

yah a cig (;

josh