F cuff a pyrex

[909]

Got some cases of pyrex last week, wanted to try something different and test the waters. Well 38x4 and 44.4x4 didn't even have polished ends, razor sharp matter of fact. As I'm pullin down the tube I notice that the 44 is pitted and not round! I checked the other case of 44 and proceed to the 38... 3 cases of expensive SHIT. I check the last 3 cases, they are ok but its 12x2.4 and 19x3.2. Haven't gotten to check or use the 31.7x4 yet and I didn't order any 50. Maybe I've been spoiled with Simax and my standards are too high, but I thought pyrex was the man... I could keep ranting but shouldn't... anyone else have an opinion?

[p.j.]

that is the way pyrex has been for a couple years, everyone raves about the stuff, i think it is shit......

back in the day(8 or 10 years ago) pyrex WAS the shit, now it IS shit

[SNYD]

The pyrex I have is shit as well. cracks and falls apart when you put it in the flame. The 10mm rod I have is fine but it is probably 4 or 5 years old. The tubing sucks.

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

31.7x4 full case, not an issue

[jedi glassworks]

Pyrex USED to be made in the USA, now I think it is made in Japan, or at least it was when I stopped using it. That is when I noticed the quality go way down. It used to say on the label where it is from.

Bryan

[Anubis]

that is the way pyrex has been for a couple years, everyone raves about the stuff, i think it is shit......

back in the day(8 or 10 years ago) pyrex WAS the shit, now it IS shit

^^ x2

Pyrex used to be so much better....nowadays it's manufactured in China, and the quality has gone waay down

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fwiw, I used to use Pyrex for just about everything............

[Lub]

sorry D. Send it back. or too late? we need that simax for sleeving. I'm saying stick stacks off this shit might as well be seconds or odds cuz the clear is so shit.

[Slimy-E]

I think you got some older pyrex, they had some bad issues, but when people started to not buy it they changed it again. Im really suprized the ends were not fire polished.I think you got some old glass. I took a break from melting glass for a few years and missed the bad pyrex days. I have four cases of 31.7 in my basement and all of them work well, no bubbles, round, fire polished ends. I know it just came in from corning, a new batch and its great stuff. got probably five different size rods and a few other size tubes- no problems, all fire polished (Not the rod). I'll find out were it is being made these days and let you know. To be fair I do have to point out I am selling pyrex these days, but I am trying to give a non-biased observation. I sell more finished work than raw glass, and I use pyrex all day in my studio. Also if you just got it, it is on sale by the manufacturer, so it should have been sold at a good price.

[ALIEN!]

that wasn't stuff from the Wale Apparatus sale I hope. Im still waiting for mine to get here.

[Mecha]

I got my wale order yesterday. Seems perfect to me. Not out of round. No airlines to speak of, no stones, no pits, just good glass. Ends are fire polished too.

Oh yeah, it is made in Japan, not china. The sticker on the end of the box lists the country of manufacture.

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

yeah big points to Wale, every piece of pyrex I got was round, no bubbles or streaks and works like any other clear (minus the lines I get with schott sometimes)

[byron3]

Well 38x4 and 44.4x4 didn't even have polished ends, razor sharp matter of fact.

Had you ordered off of or even used a Pyrex products sheet from someone like Macalistar Bicknell (http://www.macbicnj.com/glstubing/hvywtubing.htm) in which it clearly states that ends are "cut only" you would not of had a surprise. Do not blame Pyrex for your lack of due diligence......

[909]

Thanks for the feedback and Id rather not say where I got the glass from yet because I don't feel it was directly the distributors fault. I took a look and all my cases were made in Japan, the 38 and 44mm without polished ends as well as the 12, 19, and 32mm with polished ends...

Spoke with a few people while I was at the flame off in Tuscan and only one person that had used the "the new pyrex" said they would buy it again (out of 5 or 6 acquaintances). Come to find out the dude distributes it and he said not many people buy the heavy wall (x4mm) tho, more room for error. It makes sense I guess except that I finally got to pull the 31.7x4 down and its perfect.

It was all on sale, not discounted. None the less, if its seconds it should state that, that's just honest business. Am I to expect that if I order pyrex again at full price not only will I pay more then Simax per lb but receive a product with possibly a poorer quality?



Had you ordered off of or even used a Pyrex products sheet from someone like Macalistar Bicknell (http://www.macbicnj.com/glstubing/hvywtubing.htm) in which it clearly states that ends are "cut only" you would not of had a surprise. Do not blame Pyrex for your lack of due diligence......

Just thought I'd help support the other guy for a change and save a little dough. Buddy your right I should have done my background check. And I guess I shouldn't have assumed the quality of pyrex to be any better then Chinex, my fault.

[909]

Hey mecha and Sativa what size did you guys order and how has it been so far? If you wipe a tube and spin it in a rag does it feel wavy?

[Slimy-E]

To be clear (no pun intended) it is on sale by corning- not discounted like seconds- first quality, lower price. I may have said that wrong before.

[steven p selchow]

Back in the day pyrex #7740 tube and rod were the best on the market, then I tried the kimble it was a 30lb case instead of pyrex 25lbs. I've been using schott, but the quality went way down, so then I went to simax, to schott, back to simax, Kimble was the butter of rod, In a premix, To tell the truth, I never could tell the difference, except fuming, which I rarley do makes a difference I hear to each his own. A surface mix I could tell between glasses, funny how or why that is.

steve

[Mecha]

Hey 909, I got the 31.7x4 and the 25.4x4.

Flame polished ends and in perfect condition. Not out of round or that chorded feeling you are describing.

Maybe the larger sizes are different, or maybe you got old stock?

[909]

I think they may be having a harder time with the larger sizes. My 31.7x4 was fine as well. Has anyone recently had any luck with the larger sizes? It sounds like pyrex has gone down in quality and I'm just tryn to figure out if I got shafted some old glass or if it is what it is?

Thanks guys, D.

[Slimy-E]

the quility has gone up, but i do think the big sizes used to and still are not fire polished. I've been getting lots of it in and checking it out. I don't work most of the bigger sizes, but i tend to think you got an old box sitting around some where. Glass doesnt go bad so maybe they don't rotate there stock and just hit the bottom of the pile.
I worked in resarants too long-I rotate my glass stock, first in first out. way too long!

[909]

1 case of old stock from a no name distributor is understandable, but 3 bad cases out of 6 from Wale... Hmm... I looked at the pyrex products sheet and it reads that all pyrex is cut only and only the small size of kimax state "glazed ends"... what?

[Lampro1]

When I started out Pyrex was great, I mostly used 19m hvy and 25 hvy back then. (1998) Then after a few years I did notice a drop in quality. I also used to do a lot of coil potting with Kimble 10m and 8m rod, which everyone told me was crap, but it seemed butter to me [as per Steven] (I use a Carlsle CC). Nowadays I mostly use Simax, as both the aforementioned brands are harder to find. My only issue w/Simax is that it sucks for fuming (IMO) I've always been happy with my dealings with Wale, so I hope it was just some old stock. AS far as China glass, I must admit, I be likin' the 10m rod! Starts out looking shitty but melts out smooooth, and stays black, but I digress.

[909]

wale is a JOKE! I hope they are good to the scientific guys at least. I will never order from them again and would HIGHLY recommend others to avoid them at all costs.

Spoke with a pyrex rep and found out, for sure, that the lot numbers are from 2007. THEY ARE SELLING OLD BAD LOTS OF GLASS! Some anniversary sale...

I didn't even get a reach around.

[Lub]

haha under dogs good for the ol reach around just give him an extra treat. sorry man. fuckers

[jr23]

yep i got some of there 50 m last year I used to like wale. I could not even put the 50 on rollers if It would bounce right off.

Crazy I made a post and forgot about it tell this thread and I feel that any pyrex should be checked for batch numbers before you order it.

If its back to being strait and defect free I would love to go back but I will have to get a sample first.

Constant flow do you ship pallets, where are you located, do you stock all sizes of heavy wall, do you have 65, mill and up.

just asking looking for a good pallet of glass and was thinking about simex for sure but also had a kimble thought as my fumming with it has been pretty tits.

[Slimy-E]

I am in reading PA, the pyrex does 69.8mm 76.2mm 76.2mm 82.5mm allt the way up to 139mm if you would want it that big. I could get bacth numbers for you before you order, but as this is new, I don't have old glass.

A few guys on the forum have gotten glass from me, and no issues with larger sizes I know of.

I would be happy to send you samples- I realy like the way the new stuff feels in my hands and works in the torch.

Sure I could ship pallets, have not yet, but should be fine.

[hotglassman]

well i have been lampin' for over 15 years and I started using cornning for the first 5 or so years. then my local distributers stopped carrying it so I was forced to go simax for cost reason. Then I saw the 40th birthday sale on wale so I thought I'd give it a try since it is cheap even with shipping. Before I ordered I made it a point to talk to a few sales persons about the quality and return policy. They said they have had almost no complaints in there bussiness life and cornning is true scientific glass not artistic quality wich has a lot more slack(bs:tongue2:) Well they fooled me and I ordered 3 cases as a test 25,38,44x4.

Long story a little shorter the 2 of 3 of the cases arrived friday and when I opened it I was not happy at all. I oppened the 44 and the first tube had somthing like 4 bubbles and a cord. So I took out the marker but got tired after the 4th tube. To me that was the worst part but also the tube does not seem to be strain(have not got it to my rollers yet) and the wall thickness is not at al even. If you spin the tube it looks king of like looking threw a reall old window(uneven).Not scientific at al not really even artisic quality either.

The 38 was a little better as far as the bubbles go,but the wall thickness semmed way off and not strait also.

So needless to say i am going to call up first thing and return it as they said i could. lets hope they don't put up a fuss. I know they are going to want to replase it instead of refund but with what?

[909]

Spoke with a supervisor at Wale and she is very disappointed that Corning would send them old lots of glass....