Aura lens out of biz?

[jello]

Anyone know what happened to auroa lens? I've been leaving MSGs for the last 6 weeks with no avail... My goggles lens broke in half, and I thought they had a lifetime warranty..

[Mecha]

Awesome. I have been waiting for the new aura thread to pop up!:D

Sounds like business as usual to me. Try leaving a message with a different name claiming that you want to buy a bunch of glasses for a glass class you are running. If he thinks you want to give him cash, he might be more apt to call you back.

At this point, if you sent your goggles in for service, I have the feeling that you might never see them again.

[jello]

Yea... sorry I did not search first...so it's time for the superglue!

[Mecha]

One time I fixed a pair of plastic framed glasses that had broken in the middle by making a pin hole in each half on the bridge. I then used wire to hold them together. Ugly? Yes. Effective and long lasting repair? Definitely.

[jusbag]

You can try taking them to an eye glass business and see if the lenses will fit in a frame there.

[jello]

I was working a large piece and the heat was intense, I think the heat melted the goggle enuff forthe lens to just fall out and hit the bench and split in 2. I was thinking about superglue...http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/jello1234/5d99e1ba.jpg

[Mecha]

Ohhhh, sorry I thought you meant the frame split, not the lens....

I guess wire is out. Superglue would probably hold it together, but the crack is going to distort your view.

Might be time to give philips a call....

[phab]

...call phillips. they actually answer the phone and call people back. i guess they must think theyre runnin a business er something.

[S2]

Those are done. Looks like its time to contact Phillips.

[jello]

Phab- that was funny..it didn't hit me to call phillips...lol.I'll do that Monday. Thanks all!

[byron3]

One of the other members posted this link in another thread :

Visionary Supplies (http://visionarysupplies.com/index.htm)

[NUBBLET]

Awesome. I have been waiting for the new aura thread to pop up!:D

Sounds like business as usual to me. Try leaving a message with a different name claiming that you want to buy a bunch of glasses for a glass class you are running. If he thinks you want to give him cash, he might be more apt to call you back.

At this point, if you sent your goggles in for service, I have the feeling that you might never see them again.

not likely , I tried getting info on specs , they had that new filter come out , I left several messages asking about the new glasses and requesting info on eye wear .


it was a month or 2 then all this anti aura shit has been on since . I am a lil glad he never got in touch .

[LifeGlass]

Good luck man that Sucks.

[kebira]

Awesome. I have been waiting for the new aura thread to pop up!:D

Sounds like business as usual to me. Try leaving a message with a different name claiming that you want to buy a bunch of glasses for a glass class you are running. If he thinks you want to give him cash, he might be more apt to call you back.

At this point, if you sent your goggles in for service, I have the feeling that you might never see them again.

Yea, or tell him you're from Phillips and you want to apologize for doubting his math skills. He may drive over.

[stackerson]

those are definitely done. im with everyone else. call phillips. or try cornerstone if you got the loot. they have some nice oakley frames..and ive actually had a great interaction with aura. granted that was well over a year ago. hmph. keep us posted.

[newmexicomagma]

Sent 2 pair in back in nov. Still waiting, ill keep u up to date.

[jello]

Sent 2 pair in back in nov. Still waiting, ill keep u up to date.

Your kidding right? I mean dude had it made right... Why flip on such a small community.. we do talk to one another...

[Zed]

This is just a shot in the dark, but does anyone know if there is a "eminent domain" sort of law as it pertains to patents? Like if a patent holder isn't using his patent properly and is restricting market access to the patented idea, can someone cause him to lose the patent through legal action? The lamination process is important for the health of glass workers, and the company obviously isn't producing.

[Mecha]

I don't know about forcing him to relinquish his silly patent, but it really does not matter. There are other companies which provide effective eye safety products for glass workers.

All of mike's bullshit about the superiority of his product was just that. Bullshit. People may have a preference for one pair of glasses over another, but that is just personal opinion.

After all the countless times he has been caught lying, it is hard to imagine that anyone would believe that he was ever honest about anything, including the performance of his product in comparison to his competitors. The man is a con artist. Always has been, always will be.

[kebira]

Generally speaking,patents are granted for a set time. 20 yrs is the benchmark to hold a patent on something, with a schedule of maintainence fees in between. This is from the U.S. Patent Office:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/index.html

"Nature of Patent and Patent Rights
The patent is issued in the name of the United States under the seal of the United States Patent and Trademark Office, and is either signed by the Director of the USPTO or is electronically written thereon and attested by an Office official. The patent contains a grant to the patentee, and a printed copy of the specification and drawing is annexed to the patent and forms a part of it. The grant confers “the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale, or selling the invention throughout the United States or importing the invention into the United States” and its territories and possessions for which the term of the patent shall be generally 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States or, if the application contains a specific reference to an earlier filed application under 35 U.S.C. 120, 121 or 365(c), from the date of the earliest such application was filed, and subject to the payment of maintenance fees as provided by law.

The exact nature of the right conferred must be carefully distinguished, and the key is in the words “right to exclude” in the phrase just quoted. The patent does not grant the right to make, use, offer for sale or sell or import the invention but only grants the exclusive nature of the right. Any person is ordinarily free to make, use, offer for sale or sell or import anything he/she pleases, and a grant from the government is not necessary. The patent only grants the right to exclude others from making, using, offering for sale or selling or importing the invention. Since the patent does not grant the right to make, use, offer for sale, or sell, or import the invention, the patentee’s own right to do so is dependent upon the rights of others and whatever general laws might be applicable. A patentee, merely because he/she has received a patent for an invention, is not thereby authorized to make, use, offer for sale, or sell, or import the invention if doing so would violate any law. An inventor of a new automobile who has obtained a patent thereon would not be entitled to use the patented automobile in violation of the laws of a state requiring a license, nor may a patentee sell an article, the sale of which may be forbidden by a law, merely because a patent has been obtained.

Neither may a patentee make, use, offer for sale, or sell, or import his/her own invention if doing so would infringe the prior rights of others. A patentee may not violate the federal antitrust laws, such as by resale price agreements or entering into combination in restraints of trade, or the pure food and drug laws, by virtue of having a patent. Ordinarily there is nothing that prohibits a patentee from making, using, offering for sale, or selling, or importing his/her own invention, unless he/she thereby infringes another’s patent which is still in force. For example, a patent for an improvement of an original device already patented would be subject to the patent on the device.

The term of the patent shall be generally 20 years from the date on which the application for the patent was filed in the United States or, if the application contains a specific reference to an earlier filed application under 35 U.S.C. 120, 121 or 365(c), from the date of the earliest such application was filed, and subject to the payment of maintenance fees as provided by law. A maintenance fee is due 3 1/2, 7 1/2 and 11 1/2 years after the original grant for all patents issuing from the applications filed on and after December 12, 1980. The maintenance fee must be paid at the stipulated times to maintain the patent in force. After the patent has expired anyone may make, use, offer for sale, or sell or import the invention without permission of the patentee, provided that matter covered by other unexpired patents is not used. The terms may be extended for certain pharmaceuticals and for certain circumstances as provided by law. "

[Ben 'Spice' Crowley]

Correct me if I'm wrong but once something is patented the info and tech specs are available to the public.

Thought that's why some people waited to patent, that way they don't have to worry about competition as soon....

[Zed]

My understanding of Mike's process is that he is the only one who can laminate (glue?) a darker welding shade to standard dydinium lenses, since he has a patent on this technology. Does phillips offer laminated lenses? Being able to pick the shade that best suits your working style seems important to me. A lot of people like his split shades too, I'm not one of them however.

[menty666]

According to the site the last update was 1/19/10, so *someone* is home.

[Mecha]

Phillips offers boroscopes which are a single lens that offers the same protection as various welding shades on top of the removal of sodium flare. Essentially the same product in a thinner, lighter package.

Aura's process created an extremely heavy and thick lens. I would imagine that this was one of the primary reasons that so many people have had problems with the lens popping out and shattering. A problem that is pretty prevalent and was never really addressed.

[kebira]

Correct me if I'm wrong but once something is patented the info and tech specs are available to the public.

Thought that's why some people waited to patent, that way they don't have to worry about competition as soon....

That's quite true. Generally when a patent is put forth,it will include every possible scenario for even remotely repeating the process,up to stomping on a cats tail while processing. My company's attorneys refer to this tech as "cock blocking" any access to the product outside of a time warp. Still, you get the heads-up through the patent itself as to which direction to move. We prefer to move through secrecy agreement with anyone involve with a process outside of our facility, the patent being the last resort due to disclosure. Bottom line , unless a good patent attorney wrote Mikes, it's probably got a few soft spots to attack. And unless you've got a source for lots of capital, along with some lens processing machinery and a little know-how , it's not something you can do on a home business level, even as pathetically a show Mike and Auralens appears to the public.

[vetropod]

Is it possible to patent being a douchebag? If so, we could patent it and then sue his sorry ass into the ground...

[broken glass]

DO NOT USE SUPERGLUE I learned the hard way, making another tool with it, but the thing with superglue is that it vaporizes when hot,and will make your eyes burn Not good to use with heat

[jello]

I was thinking about that as well...superglue. If it's hot enuff to release the lens from the frame, then for sure it will turn to vapor... Does Phillips mfg lens's for mike? And will phillips honor the warranty?

[Mecha]

Does Phillips mfg lens's for mike? And will phillips honor the warranty?

No. Sorry.

[jello]

So it sounds like I'm up shits creek... Anyone want to buy slightly used goggles? Hell I'll even throw in a sweet piece of lens...

[LifeGlass]

So it sounds like I'm up shits creek... Anyone want to buy slightly used goggles? Hell I'll even throw in a sweet piece of lens...

Someone may actually want them whos gotta broken frame!

[sunray]

What shade are they?

[gn0me]

I will take them! It would give me a reason to wear an eyepatch around and say ARRRRRR!!! a lot....

:arr:

[Emmett's Glass]

Someone may actually want them whos gotta broken frame!

Dale Chihuly might want them.
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[jello]

Hell, the frame was the first thing to crack... 3 day of use.

[Cosmo]

Dale Chihuly might want them.
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Ha.. That's exactly what I thought. It's even the correct eye...

[phab]

Dale Chihuly might want them.
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....Arrrrr matey!

[Glassroots]

hey man, i just remembered I have a n old pair of auras where one of the lenses broke. I saved the extra one not wanting to throw it away. I got it somewhere in my shop, let me dig it out and see if its the one you need.

[Glassroots]

Dale Chihuly might want them.
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why would he need them , he doesn't even blow glass, just scribbles on paper.

[jiminyrootkit]

sucks about the specs....but i think i just found my next pair of shades. :D
http://www.visionarysupplies.com/detail%20pages/05-1033.asp
-f

[Cosmo]

sucks about the specs....but i think i just found my next pair of shades. :D
http://www.visionarysupplies.com/detail%20pages/05-1033.asp
-f

I have those in pink.

[jello]

hey man, i just remembered I have a n old pair of auras where one of the lenses broke. I saved the extra one not wanting to throw it away. I got it somewhere in my shop, let me dig it out and see if its the one you need.

That would be awesome!!!!

[jello]

What shade are they?

To be honest.. I don't remember... I think the lower is 5 and the upper is 3 .. But I really don't know. ;)