Very Old School Challange

[LewisW]

Any torch that you want.Time limit 45 minutes. Clear boro only. 4mm, 6mm , 8mm, and 10mm rod.
Whatever design you want from the old style carnival era. Bird bath. Wishing well. Hanging bird cage. Ship. Anything.
Piece or pieces to made using whatever was the terminology that you were taught-----spun glass, woven glass, running stitch, loop stitch, drop stitch, knit, or any other name. Nothing to be annealed after being made. Just like in the old days. This will show many where we came from. Working in carnivals, next to the geek. If you do not know what a real geek is, then you have never been to a real carnival.
Looie

[Slimy-E]

CCbob wins, game over

[cc_bob]

CCbob wins, game over
LOL, not even close. My stuff is kind of sloppy, I don't do enough anymore to be consistent. There are a lot of others that make a perfect stitch every time.

I made this tonight, took me 35 minutes. I used the #5 center of my CC, I'm a LOT faster on my natty with large tip. I've made lots of everything in your list and used to sell at fairs and festivals. Never annealed anything back then, and neither did any other lamp workers that I knew of.:D

Oh, and sorry Louie, I couldn't resist making the flag red. I used to paint them with "glass stain" before all this fancy color.:dieslaugh

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http://lh4.ggpht.com/_naWrbWnfI20/S5hIJio5LCI/AAAAAAAAAQs/Bxj_BHHqilA/Louie%20%282%29.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_naWrbWnfI20/S5hIJDmr2AI/AAAAAAAAAQo/RXAqdDZNGzE/Louie%20%281%29.JPG

[cc_bob]

I used to paint them with "glass stain" before all this fancy color.:dieslaugh

I actually did have one stick of cobalt that I had for years and cherished it. I would only use it for making eyes, I remember it being VERY stiff and VERY expensive.

[LewisW]

I too had the one stick of cobalt that was only for eyes. the rumor was that in the late seventies, Corning made 3-4 pounds of cobalt each year just for the guys that did demos at Corning.
I got five sticks of cobalt from John Deacon's widow right after he died.
I still use a red stain on out chili ristras.
Lewis

[UmaJulz]

Aside from Lewis and CCbob, are there any other old school spinners left to compete?

[gypsea]

i used to do that style 1978-1981 ish. so did steve selchow. but theres no way i'm gonna compete with dirty looie.

[LewisW]

It has been over 30 years sense I did anything woven. Maybe a few things here and there when someone asked about it.I will try and post some pics later

[Slimy-E]

I only put the ccbob wins thing up for two resons,
1- cause I watched him work and it was awsome-the boat he made for me and hummingbird are sitting right here, I love them
2-cause everytime someone says something nice about his work, he says, oh no, my stuff isn't that good, I don't do it often enough, ect-but it is really cool to watch him work, and his hands just dart around-very cool!

[Islandglass Man]

Hey Looie

Make sure you get some weavers to come to AGI to run your challenge and cc_bob is going to tough. Now Gypsea Steve and you that would be fun to watch but add some spice to it, how about blindfolded :D

Bear

[TheGlassTree]

im betting on parramore....

[Fiorino Glass Art]

haha, yeah Bob underestimating himself again, but I do understand about perfection and the journey to it. But there aren't that many people doing work like this. And it's awesome ass work too!!!

Oo yeah, maybe parramore will get it. I don't think Bob is going to agi either, although he should, well anyone should given the chance!

[Islandglass Man]

Robin will be a AGI and I think he use to be an eager weaver ones apon time. This could be a real event

What's the prize Looie?

Bear

[CripSkillz]

Fo sho Bob rox I have a 2 of his ships sittn right here too and there sweet

[LewisW]

I met Robin in St Petersburg in 1976 or 1977. He was doing woven bottoms on his work . Really nive sculptures but with a running stitch with loop stitch trim base.
I had not as good sculptures, but I had discovered that I could drill a 1/4 inch hole into a piece of wood and mount it with a six mm post.
It would be very enlightening to have people show off their skills at weaving. For some reason a lot of newer lampworkers are intriqued about it.
Lewis

[jane clifton]

oh yeah, this is going to be great!!!

[cc_bob]

Cmon where's the pics? No one else does this anymore (besides china)?:puzzled:

I know there are several others on You Tube, Timia, Crazy4Glass, and Stream24.

[LewisW]

So here are some pics of some woven pieces. these first four are done my Miquel Bonilla. He was my instructor at Disney from Sept 1973 to Jan 1974.
Tha candle holders are two anf a half feet wide.

[LewisW]

This Cinerella coach is 10 inches long

[LewisW]

Tried to post more pics but there is a message coming up that says internal server error. i have another six pics to post. I will try later

[cc_bob]

Those are really nice, note the uniform loops!! The candle holders are really sweet!

[CripSkillz]

i might try this heeh with some new school themes.. i guess ill chek utube for video

does anyone ever do this with color?/

[cc_bob]

I've used color but I usually mix it down with clear. Cheaper and not as stiff.

[byron3]

Any tutorials on this tech? What is the easiest thing to build to start learning this tech? We used to have a guy that would set up in the mall and do these, but I have not seen him in years......... Is there a list of objects usually crafted this way? So much different than pipe making, and socially acceptable from what I can remember of glass vendors at theme parks.

[LewisW]

Homer Hoyt's book shows how to do some weaving.
I tried to psot some more pics but that error message keeps coming up.

[LewisW]

This is so wierd. the computer is telling me that the post will not happen, but the pic is there. I will now try the one foot tall ship. Also made by Miquel Bonilla

[LewisW]

Here are a couple pics of some of the original woven pieces that i made while working at Disney in Orlando.
One thousand crabs, then one thousand teapots, then one thousand birdbaths, then go back to crabs.
These were made when i had only three months expierience at the torch on doing woven work. I had taught myself a bit abouit glass working using the Strong and hHmmsafar book

[LewisW]

Here are three pieces inspired by the Pirates of the Carribian ride. Notice the very cool looking glass staining technique. Still holding color after 37 years. these were made in 1974, after i was not working at the park anymore.

[LewisW]

Here is a large woven ship. It was made holding on to the lower post. then the woven base was made and attached later.

[vetropod]

who's that crazy-looking hippy? :D

[cc_bob]

Any tutorials on this tech? What is the easiest thing to build to start learning this tech?

Check these out...
Crazy4Glass1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jstcFFekCCY&feature=related)
Crazy4Glass2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-go3ZTLAnGc&feature=related)
TimiaGlass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAGnUH3k0o8)

The easiest thing to make is probably small baskets, swans, and bases (I use spun bases a lot). The easiest stitch is a lot like coil potting except you leave air gaps (dab up and down), see Lewis' birdbath and tea pot above. The air space allows it to cool without cracking.

Lewis, that 3 mast ship is very nice (I wish my stitches were that nice).

[gypsea]

here are a couple of old pieces that i made in the late 70's that still survive in my mother's china cabinet. the ship is prob a foot tall, the base broke (she has moved houses with it about 10 times) so she has it standing up in a dish. the bird bath is prob about 5 inches. the stitch used is called the drop loop stich.

[vetropod]

nice work Gypsea!!!

[LewisW]

When I worked at Disney they were buying a lot of work from Wisconsin. Out of a touristy place called "The Dells".I believe that the main guy around there was named jerry Hall.The type of stich done was a drop loop stich. Impossible to repair.

[Andy P]

I have a question for you folks that were making this cool stuff back in the old school days. Was it boro or some other type of glass? I imagine it must have been if you weren't annealing them. Just wondered...

[LewisW]

Very Old School Glass. Corning 7740 made at Corning right here in the USA.

[UmaJulz]

Nice work Gypsea!!

[Swampy]

What an amazing thread, I didn't realise you guys were experts at this style of work.

[CripSkillz]

hehe this stuff is really cool I have to try it.. today..

[ALIEN!]

I like that pic of the ship with the pirate. He's got that, "don't even try to board this vessel" look. But seriously, I saw a video somewhere on the YouTubes of how the stitch or loop or whateveritscalledwork is done, got tons of respect for that stuff. Definitely a whole 'nother arena of skill and concentration. Thanks for sharing the pics Lewis!

[Cindy]

Gypsea, you gotta do this. And Steve, if you're still out there, come visit us and DO IT.

[Izzy Spun]

i might try this heeh with some new school themes.. i guess ill chek utube for video

does anyone ever do this with color?/

silver based colors and other strikers are gret\at for this stuff. Because of the natural colr variations, you can do some sick ass organic/abstract woven stuff...