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WORLD FAMOUS
12-16-2005, 10:11 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002686721_chihuly16m.html

When does inspiration cross the line into imitation?

That's the question at the heart of a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Seattle claiming two glass blowers have copied Dale Chihuly's designs and are selling knockoffs at several local galleries.

The copyright-infringement suit, filed Oct. 27 by Seattle-based Chihuly Inc. and the world-renowned glass artist's publishing company, is asking for at least $1 million in damages.

Neither side has fully laid out its case yet, but because copyright lawsuits involving fine art are relatively rare, especially in Washington state, it's raised some interesting questions.

How does an artist go about proving — or disproving — copyright infringement? How do you differentiate between Chihuly's influence on other glass artists and artistic plagiarism? Can he claim exclusive rights to designs that are modeled on things such as Navajo blankets and sea life? And what does it mean for the world of art glass?

William Traver, a prominent Seattle art-glass dealer who is not involved in the suit, thinks Chihuly has a right to go after copycats.

"Clearly, what these people are doing is playing on his reputation," he said.
See the artists' work

Dale Chihuly's work can be seen at www.chihuly.com.

Robert Kaindl sells through a variety of Web sites, including http://artglassproductions.com.

Robert Kaindl, one of the artists named in the suit, disagrees.

"This isn't a fight just for myself. It's for the entire industry," he said.

One of a kind

A curly-haired fellow easily recognizable by his eye patch, Chihuly has long inspired strong feelings.

Fans and critics alike, however, agree on one thing: He knows how to sell himself. He has major installations at Benaroya Hall, Bellagio Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London.

He's been featured on public television umpteen times. His Web site says his work is in more than 200 museums.

Traver said single Chihuly pieces can run in the $5,000 to $6,000 range, while his more elaborate work can fetch tens of thousands of dollars.

Martha Kingsbury, a retired University of Washington art-history professor, credits Chihuly with bringing "a kind of legitimacy and prominence to the field of glass blowing."

His work also is particularly vulnerable to knockoffs, several art experts said.

"It has to be so popular, so in demand, that someone wants to buy it even if it isn't an original," Traver said. "Rarely does an artist reach that level in their lifetime."

Chihuly hasn't blown the glass himself since accidents left him physically unable to do so. Instead, he has a team of employees who execute his ideas, the lawsuit said.

Normally, copyright-infringement allegations are resolved through negotiation, not lawsuits. Indeed, Chihuly's attorney, O. Yale Lewis Jr., said this is the artist's first copyright-infringement suit.

Chihuly could not be reached for comment.

Galleries pull art

The lawsuit alleges that a former Chihuly employee, Bryan Rubino, was enlisted by Kaindl to make Chihuly knockoffs.

Rubino, who worked for Chihuly for about a dozen years, worked on virtually every Chihuly series, the lawsuit said. The suit claims that Kaindl signs the Rubino-made works as if they were his own, then puts them up for sale in local galleries and through an array of Web sites.

The suit also accuses Kaindl of falsely claiming to have trained under the master and deliberately confusing art buyers about the origins of his work. Kaindl denies the allegations.

The four local businesses that sold Kaindl's work — Unik! in Seattle, Lakeshore Gallery in Kirkland, Kenneth Behm Galleries in Bellevue and Trammell-Gagné in Seattle — were dumbfounded.

Had they received notice from Chihuly that there was a problem, they would have stopped selling Kaindl's glass without a lawsuit, lawyers for several said.

"We sort of feel like we're the innocent victim caught in the middle," said Broh Landsman, attorney for Trammell-Gagné.

They have taken Kaindl's work off the shelves. But copyright-law experts say they can still be held liable if they sold Chihuly knockoffs.

Proving copyright infringement, however, is tricky. Legally, it's a two-part test: The accused artist has to have had access to Chihuly's work and the work has to be "substantially similar."

The first part is easy. Who hasn't seen Chihuly's work?

The second test involves literally putting specific pieces side by side. That's impossible at this point because the lawsuit doesn't name specific works of either artist — a point of contention between the two sides.

"If the plaintiffs cannot identify the ... infringing work, then they have no business bringing a copyright-infringement claim in the first place," Kaindl and Rubino's lawyer wrote in a court filing asking that the case be thrown out.

A judge will consider that next month.

But even if Chihuly's lawyers list specific works, which they are expected to do, "substantial similarity" is a difficult concept. Particularly for someone like Chihuly, who has had enormous influence on the world of art glass.

"What counts as influence?" Professor Kingsbury asked. "When is something actually a quotation?"

Legal experts say if one work of art shows the influence of another artist, that isn't copyright infringement. In other words, you can paint something in the style of Picasso without infringing on his rights.

It's the reason we have a Surrealist school of art, an Impressionist school and so on.

But even if the works look alike, it's not necessarily a slam-dunk.

For example, in 2003 a California court was asked to decide a case involving two works of art, both consisting of a realistic glass jellyfish encased in a clear, tapered glass "shroud." They were virtually identical to the eye. Nonetheless, the court ruled it was not copyright infringement. The first artist couldn't have a copyright on the way jellyfish look. And the glass "shroud" was a well-established technique in glass art.

Concepts not protected

Chihuly might run into a similar hurdle. Many of his works are inspired by things in the real world — Native American blankets, baskets, sea life. You can't claim a copyright to an idea, said attorney Melvyn Simburg, who specializes in this area.

"A concept is not protectible," he said. "Anybody else can be inspired by a basket or a textile."

And just like there are certain chord progressions that are common to a lot of music, and certain plot devices that are common to many plays, glass has similar characteristics that cannot be copyrighted, Simburg said.

"Plaintiffs do not have copyrights ... over the effect of gravity," the defendants argue in court papers. Chihuly "is seeking to corner the market on an undefined glass aesthetic."

But glass art expert Traver and Chihuly's lawyer say that once the works are compared, it will be obvious that Chihuly was wronged.

"Anybody with an eye can see this is a direct copy of what Dale has done over the years," Traver said.

He said he recently saw a piece of glass art that he swore was Chihuly's. But when he picked it up, it had one of the defendant's names on it (he won't say which).

Rubino even uses some of the same names as Chihuly. For example, he has categories called Seaforms and Ikebana on his Web site, both of which are the titles of Chihuly series.

Still, legal experts say copyright cases are so fact-specific, it's tough to predict what's infringing and what's not.

"The answer is you don't know unless you get into a lawsuit and a judge decides," Seattle lawyer and law-school teacher Robert Cumbow said.

Seattle Times researcher Gene Balk contributed to this report.

Maureen O'Hagan: 206-464-2562 or mohagan@seattletimes.com

Copyright © 2005 The Seattle Times Company

WORLD FAMOUS
12-16-2005, 10:16 PM
Who's this Chi...Chihuly guy they keep talking about?

jusbag
12-16-2005, 10:51 PM
lol... yeah i read that one earlier too. pretty funny stuff... seems like a good way to get your name in the news to me.
Hmmm I think I will go make window scene series marble now :P.

steven p selchow
12-17-2005, 12:13 AM
this civil suit will probably see as much attention as a marble infringment suit :rollin

Racer X
12-17-2005, 07:05 AM
Actually, I have met these fartknockers who make a living selling Chihuly copies. They set up stuff that looks convincingly like the real deal because they are really easy to make...

And Traver is an expert... yeah... right. Met him... seen his tastes in glass art (some good, alot bad). Marx-Saunders kicks his ass to the curb. Maurine Littleton stomps a mudhole in his butt. Then Doug Heller offers him a hanky.

I would like to hear what a real expert, like Tina Oldknow would have to say about this junk. Not someone looking to get practice marketing their galleries.

phab
12-17-2005, 08:31 AM
....this lawsuit is going nowhere.

β
12-17-2005, 08:43 AM
I think the remaining beatles should just sue everybody in modern rock for being influenced by their style :lol

phab
12-17-2005, 09:26 AM
I think the remaining beatles should just sue everybody in modern rock for being influenced by their style :lol

...this just in
maynard g crebbs sues all goteed men in seattle.

Julian
12-17-2005, 09:54 AM
I'd like to know more about the 2003 Jellyfish case.
Great article, thanks for posting !
So, is Chihuly the only one for the next 75 years who can sell a bowl with a fribbly edge?? It will be interesting to learn more about this case.

Chris Carlson
12-17-2005, 10:19 AM
"Anybody with an eye can see this is a direct copy of what Dale has done over the years," Traver said. Ha, thats fucked up!!

duh
12-17-2005, 10:53 AM
Here is the thing.... CHIHULI WORK IS NOT ORIGINAL IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!

Did he invent frit? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo!!!!!(He made it popular!)

duh
12-17-2005, 10:54 AM
Did bob snodgrass invent the glass pipe??????????????

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (He made it popular!)

FredLight
12-17-2005, 11:24 AM
Wait, Chihuly did the same thing, right?

He hires talented artists that other people have trained and they make stuff for him and he signs it and spends the money. In a nutshell.

I admire what Mr. Chihuly has accomplished,with the help of his italian friends. I don't admire the afro sportin' pirate himself. When he's not there to splatter acrylic paint on newsprint, who makes the art?
Hired Glassblowers who should all be selling their art for their own benefit..

Greymatter Glass
12-17-2005, 12:04 PM
BEATLES SUE EMI FOR $50m

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/news/eo/20051216/113477928000p.html


Man... you _HAD_ to say something, didn't you?

:P not really all it's cracked up to be... still....

Julian
12-17-2005, 03:12 PM
He handles the marketing, fingerpainting, and apparently the legal department though.. those are pretty important.

FredLight
12-17-2005, 04:16 PM
Why does the name Lars Ulrich come to mind?
Butthole? Oh yeah. Greedy Butthole. ;)

Julian
12-17-2005, 04:45 PM
Ha ha, Lars Ulrich!!

Udai Hussien
12-17-2005, 05:39 PM
but didn;t sort of , larry flint prove the same thing as satire, and paradoy? all he has to do is say its a parody

christopher
12-17-2005, 07:50 PM
What a bunch of crap...There's some Chihuly stuff at the Monterey Bay Aquarium (where I live...not in the aquarium but near it LOL), and in my opinion it's not that friggin' cool.

Don't get me wrong, I got a lot of respect for someone that took it to the level it's at, but...

He doesn't make 'em in the first place. I consider myself in the "extreme rookie" category but if I could hire a few of you guys to implement my ideas I could charge a LOT for them.

Anyways, some funny stuff:
1. "Anyone with an eye..." (mentioned above)

2. One of the galleries carrying Chihuly knockoffs is called Unik! (I'm just gonna guess that that's pronounced "unique"

Chip

PS WANTED: Skilled glass artisans wanted to implement the ideas of a creative mind. Must have a funny handle like "Tokin Loki" or "Cupcake" and be able to work long hours without food. $9/hr

xiaan
12-17-2005, 08:25 PM
All this over a form thats just a twisted chilli pepper. Or the sea form ---"thats just a plate or bowl that went south. Blah"

Get a marketer and you too can make 12gees a day.

Bryan
12-17-2005, 09:33 PM
this is a load....if your arts good its good..sounds like chihuly and crowd are getting jealous because someone else can make cool stuff too. As long as Dale keeps his art "quality" then he shouldnt give two shits because its going to sell.

skip
12-17-2005, 10:08 PM
well He is a marketing genuis. All this free publicity is sure to sell more of his work..... a lot more than his attorney fees will be. It's brilliant in terms of publicity. It sucks if your the one he is sueing. If it was me he was sueing I would be talking to every reporter that would interview me and referring them to my website where they could "Judge for themselves" and hopefully buy one for themselves too. ;)

Merlin
12-17-2005, 11:37 PM
I agree with xiaan, most of his stuff looks like he got a phone call and set his blow pipe down in the middle of a flare. (basic shapes that he let poop) I have never been impressed. Maybe he put a patent on big glass mistakes on purpose.

IrieGuy05
12-18-2005, 04:40 AM
Floppy bowls are the shit, I can't beleive hes trying to copyright a floppy bowl, or sea form? Thats so gay.

JDeMoss
12-19-2005, 11:52 AM
He is an ass. When you make as much as him, you need to chill out. What, is his life going to fall apart if his sales slightly drop? If he makes the best work (I mean if his people make the best work) then he will sell the most work. But he is a marketing genius. If that is what this is really about, then he is a complete dick to hurt other people with his marketing ploy. But then again, I really have no idea what the truth of the matter is.

jusbag
12-19-2005, 12:18 PM
whatever he's cool. I swear I've even sold glass because the people knew who chihuly was. That's probably the second most asked question... "How did you get that in there" followed up with "Do you know that chi-chi-chihul... guy?" Lol...

JDeMoss
12-19-2005, 01:46 PM
Well I've never met the guy, he might be cool. But when people get on the sue happy bandwagon I tend to lose a little respect for them. Again, I don't know all of the facts, but I'm sure it is not that serious. He should probably make himself feel better by going out and buying a mansion or something. I highly doubt he is hurting for money. He has gotten too used to being top dog. It's time for a reality check. There are some newer and better artists now. So maybe he should come out of "retirement" and show us what "he" can do.