push bowl or ground glass joint?

[STROKER]

i have been ask to make a few whacky bubblers for a shop i sell to in green exotic. this was something i made last night but my original intiention of putting a ground glass joint came to a halt after i got to this point.
i actually think i would like the look much more if it was a push bowl as the ground joint is distracting to me.

what are your thoughts people? either a 19/14 transition with a nice green horny slide or a push bowl with a blown out carb?

its about a foot tall and i have almost 6 hours in this so i dont want to ruin it at this point.

not totally happy with the clear additions. gonna clean them up and see what i can do , as well as widen the stance for stability a little.

i see the logic in the ground joint but it adds $ and detracts to the overall look(imho). talk to me pipers. i have to make 3 of these and i want to get the most bang for the buck.

thanks for lookin guys and girls, i always appreciate your input.

later,

[daveabr]

push it

[VertigoGlass]

I would push it at this point. If you were to put a GonG joint onto the can I would have done that a ways back in production as its harder to add a clean weld on a joint on an off axis weld. If you want to do GonG but dont like the joint hanging up above the piece you could invest into some Dewer seal GonGs (recessed)....

[STROKER]

^^^two for the push.
vertigo i can add the joint still , with out too much issue. the shape of the piece isnt that hard to work around.
i do like the recessed joint but have never used one. i see hmk using that style on his units(i think)

dewer seals, hmmm . gotta look into that.

[VertigoGlass]

If you order your joints from UST just ask them about their dewer joints. they are a little more money but worth it when it comes to aesthetics on color worked pieces. they are a little tricky to get used to but still worth it.

[glassnewb]

regardless, you should have added your joint or downstem while there was still a handle on the bottom the can and before you attached the neck... its going to be much more work, and much more risky trying to throw a joint on that thing or to install a downstem...

If I had to make that piece a bub, I would make it a stemless with a bowl/stem comming off the front...

[Shatner]

I'd second the stemless.

I generally seal the female or drop the d-stem/diffy in and push the bowl before I remove the point/blowtube. You can always put a closed male in the female while finishing. If it doesn't have fittings you just have to get things a bit hotter and blow a bit harder. But it works.

You can also throw a 4mm up the blowtube to keep the d-stem centered.

[VertigoGlass]

Although it is risky and more work it can be done. Personally i push all my bowls and do all my GONG joints while on a handle and in axis. But i dont think this thread was more of a question of how he should have done it more of a where to go from here so that in the end the bub is pleasing to the eye.
i still say push the bowl but then it would only be a dry piece, trying to add a down stem to that off axis would be a chore. So you might be committed to the GONG???? i dunno something to think about

[Mecha]

Of course you can still add a glass joint. People make off axis stuff with fittings all the time. Put it on, then do the weld in one quarter or one eighth increments. After each spot has set up, move on to the next. Don't let the unworked portion of the seal get too cold though, or it is crack city.

It really is not any much more work or that much harder than doing it on axis.

All that said, I think a push or a dewar seal would look the best.

[STROKER]

^^^glassnewb, it really isnt that hard to put the stem on . trust me i am not worried about that part as i have done this with out a problem on other shaped cans.
actually i disagree as the stem would have become deformed had i put it on and then shape the points on the can. i know from past experience.
it takes a ton of heat to pull the can points evenly, this heat will always distort the stem(or worse tag it on the inside). especially since it is not a round can to begin with but oval instead.

sooo, i put it in after and it isnt that big a deal or that much harder or more work.

not going the stemless routeeither as that it not the look i want with a bowl hang off the front.

thanks for the input though. it always appreciated.

[Albino Sasquatch]

yep or the old pop and drop in your stem or diffy then push that way you still get the bubbler and it looks tits

[STROKER]

Of course you can still add a glass joint. People make off axis stuff with fittings all the time. Put it on, then do the weld in one quarter or one eighth increments. After each spot has set up, move on to the next. Don't let the unworked portion of the seal get too cold though, or it is crack city.

It really is not any much more work or that much harder than doing it on axis.

All that said, I think a push or a dewar seal would look the best.

jesse now i remember why i voted for your ninja status.:D

[VertigoGlass]

Sounds like you already knew what to do before you even posted this????

[Albino Sasquatch]

yea its like skining a cat everyone has there ways man there is no one right way and one wrong way its just what works for you may not work for everyone else

[STROKER]

yep or the old pop and drop in your stem or diffy then push that way you still get the bubbler and it looks tits

albino, if i do the push its gonna for sure be the pop and drop.

gonna think about it another few hours but when the sun goes down , i am finishing this bad boy up.

thanks for all the input peeps. that is why i love this place.:D

[Dom]

I dont know man, for me whether its a bowl push or gong, I always do that part before attaching the can to the stem, IMO just looks way better and less sloppy. So Im with VG on that one.

For this piece I would do the push bowl just to make it easier, but good luck trying to get it perfectly centered and even.

All in all its worth it to decide what you will do with a piece before you construct it. You should follow the steps instead of doing the first step last.

[STROKER]

Sounds like you already knew what to do before you even posted this????

yes i know the look i want but it seem so many people like the glass joints that i hedged on this one. i was gonna go that way but i like most of you think it will be cleaner if its a push.

i wasnt asking how to do it but which look you guys prefer? i am getting a bunch of i should have done it this way, but the question wasnt about construction.

i guess the best thing is to make one of each and we can see which looks best...

now tomorrow i will post pics of the final piece and you guys can tear it a new asshole, haha.

[VertigoGlass]

i wasnt asking how to do it but which look you guys prefer? i am getting a bunch of i should have done it this way, but the question wasnt about construction.



I think i said that up in post #8?

[STROKER]

Sounds like you already knew what to do before you even posted this????

not trying to start a pissing match but what else was implied by this other than construction elements?
i made it clear i was undecided on the style of bowl i am finishing the piece with and that was always my question.

[STROKER]

You should follow the steps instead of doing the first step last.

dom are you saying you always put you stem in first regardless of the shape of your can bottom or if there is a design to be seen on the bottom?

[VertigoGlass]

My point/post was not trying to be negative at all..... Its your piece and your and vision thats what makes it YOUR art. Follow your own gut instinct. flow with the process...Ideas in your head sometimes look like shit in reality, its your ability to flow with the material and make judgment calls such as this that help you excel further. My two cents. just go with the gut instinct.

[STROKER]

vertigo as i said i wasnt starting anything and i appreciate your input.

as a general rule when it comes to my creations, i always make what my heart,gut tells me to. this piece is no exception. however since glass is not my first business, i wanted others to chime in on their prefered look on this style piece. need to get the most bang for the buck with them since they are basically presold.
however,i want to make stuff that sells quickly as well as be happy making it. i need to get reorders, so if there was ever a group of people that can help me not waste my time it's you guys on here.

i am sure you understand.

[VertigoGlass]

I really all depends on the person buying it. Some people are old school push bowl freaks and some wouldnt buy it without a GonG. make 50/50 then let the shop decide?

[BlueLilyStudio]

although I prefer to use gong fittings, I think for this particular piece a punch stem would be proper aesthetically because if you use gong fittings you'll have the wrong angle from the mouthpiece. As the fittings go on and the dropstem and the slide it raises up the bowl a few inches so you would have a bad view while in use, at least thats what it looks like in the pics. hold the pipe up and see whether you would be able to see properly down into the bowl. maybe that will help you decide

[STROKER]

thanks matt^^^ i think i agree with that perspective and it probably would look odd with the ground joint.
i will be pushing and droppin or droppin and pushing with a little extra shaping thrown in for fun.

once again, thanks all.

[Dom]

dom are you saying you always put you stem in first regardless of the shape of your can bottom or if there is a design to be seen on the bottom?

Indeed my man. :chilling:

[n3rd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25BlzbPU0FQ

[p.j.]

dom are you saying you always put you stem in first regardless of the shape of your can bottom or if there is a design to be seen on the bottom?

me too. always dropstem before attach can(for me at least)

[CripSkillz]

vertigo,, where ya been, havnt seen ya sence nevermind,,

stroker just do it,, i like pushes,, just depends on the piece,, but i almost always,, push my stem last thing,, cuz my shapes are usually never done till the end,, and never have a prob,, why do you need to be on axis,, lol ,, flame on..