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AWhiskeyDrunk
01-24-2011, 09:27 AM
Just thinking out loud here...forgive me if this has been brought up before.

So like an ass I clogged a few ports on my torch, currently raging a Nortel Rocket. Managed to hit a couple of the center fire ports as well as the outer ring. I've got the torch cleaning tool and did my best to get the glass out... but they are still clogged.

Nortel has been nothing but good to me in the past. I upgraded to the Rocket from a Red Max and like an ass... clogged the Red Max once upon a time. I drove to Buffalo and dropped the torch off. This was a few years back when I was driving cross country to Revere Glass for the Marbleslinger class. Nortel fixed my torch and shipped it back to my house where it was waiting for me when I got home.

Here's the dilemma. Currently, unlike a few years ago, I work full time as a lampworker. I can't afford to take the time off. I still have my Red Max, but I've been teaching a friend some tricks and he uses the Red Max. This isn't exactly a big deal. At any time I can tell him, "sorry but you're taking a week off I need the torch". However, I am concerned about stepping down to the Red Max. I'm worried that even a week on the smaller torch will slow me down to the point where I fall behind. Not to mention that the Rocket and the Red Max are two very different torches, I'm worried just the learning curve of getting back to the Red Max will be enough to make me fall behind.

It got me wondering about the logistics of having some sort of torch loaner program. I e-mailed Nortel and have yet to hear back. I was thinking that when you're car breaks down, you can often get a loaner car from a friendly mechanic. Now in fairness... the loaner car isn't the same make and model I may drive my Rocket in for repairs and likely drive away in a Red Max, but as I covered earlier, this isn't a lot of help for me.

I don't know if this would even be possible outside a torch manufacturer. But I often see people selling or lending extra torches. Again, just thinking out loud, but it would be cool if somebody stepped-up and housed all these extra torches people were willing to donate or sell cheap and loan them out at a small cost to the artist that needs a temp torch. Or working out an on-line network of people who could ship temp torches around the country, at the expense of the receiver of course.

I suppose the easy answer is quit my bitching do smaller work for a week +/- and consider myself lucky I have a back-up torch. Or step-up and stop living hand to mouth so that I can afford to take a few days off while my torch is in the shop.

I certainly haven't worked out all the kinks for a torch loaner program, for example... what do you do about a person that "borrows" a torch and never ships it back. None the less, my recent clogged ports predicament got me to thinking...

Thoughts? Anybody have experience with this problem and can suggest a solution?

Matt

jr23
01-24-2011, 09:48 AM
Other than that take some time off and clean the ports.

I have got glass,silver and lots of stuff out of the nortels with just a little patience and a lot of picking and twisting

l33t:weasel
01-24-2011, 09:52 AM
i say get on the red max and get er done..

u know how many starving kids in africa would kill for a red max
what kinda stuff are you doing that the red max cant handle?

Glassroots
01-24-2011, 10:24 AM
call me up and I will walk you through cleaning the ports. I have had a student get a molten marble on the face of a red max and almost every hole was filled with glass. Took me about an hour to get it cleaned out. 757-784-4981

kage
01-24-2011, 11:01 AM
i think you answered your own question



I suppose the easy answer is quit my bitching consider myself lucky I have a back-up torch.

Icarus
01-24-2011, 11:07 AM
i think you answered your own question

+1

menty666
01-24-2011, 08:18 PM
Since you're not torching... ;)


Do you like the Rocket?

Uriel
01-24-2011, 10:54 PM
/face/palm
If you believe your work would stop progress then it will..
If you believe someone would loan you a torch after youve just admitted stuffing glass into the face on your Own torch,, your mistaken.

This would be the issue with a 'Lease' type torch,, what happens if history repeats itself with your rented torch, whatcha gonna do then, 1 torch down being repaired and boom you fuck up someone elses livliehood.. hmmm wonder why no one has set up a business like that.
I know mistakes happen n all but maybe starting a business off the back of people who fuck up isnt the best business plan.

AWhiskeyDrunk
01-25-2011, 06:04 AM
Since you're not torching... ;)


Do you like the Rocket?

Still torching. Only clogged a couple ports. But yeah I like the rocket. But my only real basis of comparison is the Red Max..the only other torch I've used.

Icarus
01-25-2011, 06:53 AM
I know mistakes happen n all but maybe starting a business off the back of people who fuck up isnt the best business plan.

There's an entire payday loan industry in this country that flies in the face of that business reasoning.

dnug42
01-25-2011, 09:57 AM
use the red max and get over yerself...i saw someone on a redmax at the flameoff in vegas last year- whut they did on the redmax would blow yer mind- so dont think yer above the torch, its jus an extention of yer hand- like that getto type of charm- we did it like that- now we do it like dis...
goldy

AWhiskeyDrunk
01-25-2011, 07:02 PM
With some help from Grassroots... got it all cleaned up...

certainly not above using my Red Max...I used it for 2+ years..love that torch.. I was just a bit apprehensive about it slowing me down and that got me to thinking about this loaner torch idea... its certainly not my best idea.. but I can think of a few situations where it might help people out.

Anyway... ports are clean...torch is running smoothly...headache averted...

Glassroots
01-25-2011, 08:49 PM
I know mistakes happen n all but maybe starting a business off the back of people who fuck up isnt the best business plan.

Thats actually what health and car insurance companies are all about. If there was a way to charge upfront or have some collateral it would work. Especially if the company sending you the back up torch was also the company fixing your torch.

Let's say you have a gtt, send it in, they see what the problem is and assuming it's not catastrophic they send you a red max or something. You pay some fee to have a loaner torch. It could be done, but probably would need to be done by a company with the capital and resources. Also, lets say they gave you a red max for a redmax. Those are pretty simple torches to begin with and replacing the face of the torch would not be difficult or cost very much. Just a thought

Uriel
01-26-2011, 12:07 AM
Thats actually what health and car insurance companies are all about. If there was a way to charge upfront or have some collateral it would work. Especially if the company sending you the back up torch was also the company fixing your torch.

Let's say you have a gtt, send it in, they see what the problem is and assuming it's not catastrophic they send you a red max or something. You pay some fee to have a loaner torch. It could be done, but probably would need to be done by a company with the capital and resources. Also, lets say they gave you a red max for a redmax. Those are pretty simple torches to begin with and replacing the face of the torch would not be difficult or cost very much. Just a thought

and ofc we all adore the car & health insurance companys.. maybe a great business model for soemone who doesnt give a fuck about this industry,, my car insurance is there because its legally required 20 yrs driving and 0 accients,, and health insurance is a joke in a country where we have a national health service that works and works well.

Glassroots
01-26-2011, 08:21 AM
The discussion is about loaner torches. boo to threadjack.

I think it't s a good idea, it may not have the market potential right now but could be a helpful service and profitable considering how much having a torch supports our weekly income. The insurance is just a comparison. There are plenty of markets that are based around peoples accidents and messups. I'm glad you got the torch cleaned up whiskey!

dnug42
01-26-2011, 09:53 AM
nice! good eels....