Flexible hose for hand torch???

[Bonelord]

Looking to buy some?? Anyone know a site or something?

Im running the 8R rider as a hand torch.

I would of called ABR but it is sunday.

[ralph]

I heard of some old school people using latex tubing to run the small hand torches on. I dont recommend that.

[ALIEN!]

should be able to get some smaller diameter oxy/fuel hose with "B" style fittings from welding supplier. Thats what I use for my natty hand torch. Nice n safe. I think I paid around 25 for the roll of hose, not sure of length, but its plenty for what I do.

[frillcappa]

Just make sure there the T grade hoses from a welding supply, because they carry the R grade mostly for oxy/acetylene rigs.

[Bonelord]

yea i remember when i started i ended up fabricating all my hose and realized i had R grade. thanks yall!

not new to the board at all but new to posting, ill post some pics soon.

just moved from Sacramento, getting the new shop set up back in Orlando my hometown.



PIECE!

[l33t:weasel]

hey alien, how small/flexible is that hose? i have never seen anything but the stiff junk at my gas suppliers.

[gn0me]

Here (https://www.tinmantech.com/html/welding_hoses.php#ulw) is what you want :)

Tinman carries the lightest T grade hose you'll ever find.

It's got size A fittings on both ends, but comes with one pair of A-to-B converters. He has more adapters (https://www.tinmantech.com/html/welding_hose_adapters.php), in case your torch has B-size fittings, but you should buy a Meco Midget while you're there.

[ALIEN!]

hey alien, how small/flexible is that hose? i have never seen anything but the stiff junk at my gas suppliers.


Its probly 1 size down from what you're used to, but its still the rugged green/red hose. Not sure why super flexibility should be an issue, but like I said, it gets the job done, I like it. Maybe a little more flexible than the standard size hose, due to the smaller diameter. I can't imagine what I would need more flexibility for. Tell the truth I probly wouldn't want it more flexible.

[l33t:weasel]

what gnome says is true

and in addition the national ox-# tips are trash compared to the 20$ piloted meco tips

[JayBlump]

Thick latex hoses are the way to go. Light and cheap. Dont let people scare you. Almost every scientific glass shop I've been in uses latex hoses. Ive visited quite a few, having lived in south jersey. The scientific shop I work in does the same. So either the scientific glass industry is endangering all their workers or people are being overly cautious by buying some expensive super light hosing. I'm all for safety so I'm not knocking any products but from what I've seen, latex hose is a lot safer than people think.

[somewhere]

I heard of some old school people using latex tubing to run the small hand torches on. I dont recommend that.


Its probly 1 size down from what you're used to, but its still the rugged green/red hose. Not sure why super flexibility should be an issue, but like I said, it gets the job done, I like it. Maybe a little more flexible than the standard size hose, due to the smaller diameter. I can't imagine what I would need more flexibility for. Tell the truth I probly wouldn't want it more flexible.

I guess you never lay your torch down or set it on the bed of the lathe? Truth is stiff hose on a hand torch can be down right dangerous. I have gone to hang a torch on it's holder and had it twist around and shoot flames at me more then once.

If your contemplating latex tube you should be well aware it has a low burst pressure. When you see it used in the scientific shops it will be connected to a gas saver or fuel cutoff. When used in that mannner the torch is always left on so the gas saver turns off the fuel. (no pressure in the line). I guess if your good at making ballon animals you might like what happens when you turn off the valves on the torch with latex. That also explains why we don't bother trying to put hose clamps on latex. This is not recommended only an observation.

[somewhere]

I should take the time to make a recommendation. Tygon tubbing is rated for oxy and propane. You can buy it in green and red for identification. We ordered a roll of each from msc. It does not have a extremely high pressure rating but is with in bounds. It also can be clamped with hose clamps or my favorite otiker clamps. Tygon is soft and works well for hand torches. I wouldn't plumb a bench burner with it or have it constantly pressurized. For hand torches it us a step above latex.

One big difference between welding hose and other alternatives is welding hose doesn't melt if you look at it wrong and can hold fairly high pressure.

Be safe

[l33t:weasel]

what kinda tygon? looks like there is alot.

[LTD]

Here (https://www.tinmantech.com/html/welding_hoses.php#ulw) is what you want :)

Tinman carries the lightest T grade hose you'll ever find.

It's got size A fittings on both ends, but comes with one pair of A-to-B converters. He has more adapters (https://www.tinmantech.com/html/welding_hose_adapters.php), in case your torch has B-size fittings, but you should buy a Meco Midget while you're there.

Did you see the swivel tip for the midget? There is some good stuff on that site, I think you can get a midget with five tips a little cheaper from....
http://www.ottofrei.com/store/home.php?cat=1230&sort=orderby&sort_direction=0&page=1

[gn0me]

Yeah, Tinman has the sexiest tips for the midget.

God that sounds dirty.

At any rate, my next buy's gotta include a long neck and the swivel tip. Tinman's tips are also slightly different from meco tips in other places, as this guy's a big fan of the torch and had Victor go back to the old manufacturing method (tapered inside instead of countersunk). The OX- tips are fucking baller - gotta love the pilot ring. Makes a Meco work like a CC :)

Also, I've been talking with Shelbo - he's contemplating making tips for other torches than just the natty, and is casting his eye on the midget now. If everyone makes a big hubbub about it, maybe we can get him to pump these out sooner :evilLaugh

[somewhere]

what kinda tygon? looks like there is alot.

I couldn't tell you. Call a tygon supplier and find out what they have to say and post back the info. The more I think about it tygon maybe a brand name not a specific type of material? Anyway the info would be of value. Sorry I can't be more specific.

[BrassMonkey]

lots of tygon brand hose. i have pharmed type and its stiff as shit. i use r-1000 tygon for my blow hose and it works good 15 psi working pressure 1/4 inch inside 1/16 thick

[gn0me]

Silicone aquarium line (http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752199) is the shit for blowhoses. Comes in black too. And it fits perfectly into a 3/8 swivel and is pretty resistant to heat. Nice and widely available, at your local Petsmart ;)

It's also great for Chinese shear handles, pads to put between clamps (such as on your torch barrel) and as a coating for wire or zip ties (to secure your fuel lines etc :)).

[gn0me]

Here (http://emurdock.com/tygon-tubing-chemical-resistance-and-compatibility.aspx)'s a fantastic page I just found, listing which types of Tygon tubing are compatible with a huge list of chemicals. Check it out.

[l33t:weasel]

gnome: good info page on tygon. also thanks for pointing out that those tips are made by tinman tech, i just assumed they were the standard midget tips.

in general tygon seems kinda pricey, but i haven't done a lot of research yet.

i have also never found a good price on the heavy duty surgical tube.

[gn0me]

I'm going to try using the silicone tubing I already have on propane/oxy for the hand torch for a bit. Will have to use an inline reg to get oxy pressure that won't blow off the barbs, but it might be a good low cost alternative. I'll let you all know what I find out - it may take some weeks to find out if it cracks easily after exposure to either gas, though, so... update in a bit ^_^

[hwcglass]

This is a great thread. reps to be had . . . . .

[gn0me]

I wanted to post a follow up link for you all:

http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38344

Honestly, these hoses are such high quality, I (for once) see no need to tinker around... it was going to be really tricky to use another kind of tubing, and these are easily, EASILY worth the funds. They're supple and smooth, reasonably long, and if you set your torch down on the table, even the Midget, the hoses won't drag it off. They come bonded together so it really doesn't get in the way. Best hand torch upgrade (other than the tips themselves) ever :cowboy: