FACEBOOK'ers, help?

[rockstar glassworks]

Yes, I use facebook. I think for us gne-x'rs it can be a powerful tool for marketing our business, especially this kind of business.

So facebook can be a little difficult and almost labyrinthian in it's need to make the more complicated tasks impossible to figure out.

So....

Can I use a link, or a share code, or something to use facebook like flickr or photobucket as an image host so I can link pics to my posts on this board?

[Cosmo]

Yes. Pull up the image, right click on it, and select "copy image location". Then paste that location into wherever you need it.

This image is from my Facebook account:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/163170_10150110911045120_720725119_7999718_2289918 _n.jpg

When you pull up the image, if you get that black box around it and can't right click on it, press F5, then you'll be able to right click it.

[rockstar glassworks]

like this....
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208625_1993584316303_1144261688_32511427_4587133_n .jpg

[rockstar glassworks]

wow...just like that.

The black box kept screwing me up.

Awesome, thanks cosmo.

great marble man.

[Shatner]

Yep, when I started using facebook my workload more than doubled. I had to turn down work for the first time in my glass career. Good shit!

[Cosmo]

That's Facebook for you. As soon as you figure it out, they go and "improve" it...

[Greymatter Glass]

to escape from the black box of photo doom, just hit f5

[billygoat]

the only problem with hosting pics on fb is they own your pics once you post em on there site its in the tos.. i dont really know what that means in practical terms .in the future can fb issue prints or sell the rights to images of me or my work and sell them if i get profitable for some reason ? i stopped posting pics of my work on fb for this reason till i figure it out tho.

[Icarus]

Billy, do you know how it works with pics you link to on facebook? Like if you link to a pic on your glasspipes page, does the fact that you are showing an image based off another site give them rights to it, or is it if the actual file is uploaded to their site?

If it's the latter, then you would be able to just upload your pics to somewhere like flickr, or glasspipes, or glass district or something, and then just link to them from your facebook page.

Just a thought. I would think that would work that way, but I'm not on facebook, so I don't know.

[Julian]

You are giving ANY company, NOT just Facebook, permission to do whatever they please with your photos and contributed content when you submit it to a community sharing site. Facebook has a standard policy regarding posted content. It's not much different than Etsy, eBay, Flickr, or probably what governs this forum.

When you upload an image, you are asking Facebook to display it for you. That means they require a license to display it, since you're the copyright holder. FB and other sites extend their rights to the maximum reasonable limits though, and state that you are also giving them a license to display it in anyway they see fit in the future, including using it in advertisements in other mediums without attribution, as part of online promotional materials, and so on.

In a way, they're taking liberties but in another way, they're just covering themselves, copyright-wise, from you claiming that a later design of their site or their mobile site does not have permission to display your images and content. It's unlikely they will ever try to commercially exploit photos uploaded to Facebook by selling prints, or claiming ownership over them, but of course they try to capiltalize on your content in any way possible. That's what Facebook is designed to do.

[Greymatter Glass]

the only problem with hosting pics on fb is they own your pics once you post em on there site its in the tos.. i dont really know what that means in practical terms .in the future can fb issue prints or sell the rights to images of me or my work and sell them if i get profitable for some reason ? i stopped posting pics of my work on fb for this reason till i figure it out tho.

no.

pretty much what Julian said....



From the Facebook TOS:



You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings. In addition:

1. For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos ("IP content"), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook ("IP License"). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.
2. When you delete IP content, it is deleted in a manner similar to emptying the recycle bin on a computer. However, you understand that removed content may persist in backup copies for a reasonable period of time (but will not be available to others).
3. When you use an application, your content and information is shared with the application. We require applications to respect your privacy, and your agreement with that application will control how the application can use, store, and transfer that content and information. (To learn more about Platform, read our Privacy Policy and Platform Page.)
4. When you publish content or information using the "everyone" setting, it means that you are allowing everyone, including people off of Facebook, to access and use that information, and to associate it with you (i.e., your name and profile picture).
5. We always appreciate your feedback or other suggestions about Facebook, but you understand that we may use them without any obligation to compensate you for them (just as you have no obligation to offer them).


the important part is: non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license

Non-exclusive means you can also transfer rights to another party without Facebook's permission.

sub-licensable means they can transfer the rights they have to another party without your permission (but cannot extend rights they do not have)

Royalty-free means they don't have to pay you if they use your images.

worldwide means they can use your images in Zaire if they want to.



So yes, in that vein they COULD print pictures of your work, but they could not claim ownership of them, or deny your claim to ownership. The original copyright ownership information would transfer, and under US law would require that you get credit in some established acceptable way, like the photo credits of a magazine, an in-photo watermark, or a "fine print" situation... Given the hassle of complying with all the regulations it's not likely (but legally allowable) for them to use your images outside their established process of re-distributing your data/image/IP to their other servers and displaying them to people who want to view them....


And anyways, it's all moot when you delete your photos... so if they were dumb enough to build an advertising campaign including, or spend any money what so ever to print, your images then you removed them facebook would be unable to use the images - ruining whatever plans they had. They're just not gonna do it.

If there's an image they need to use for some gain of their own they will approach an agency and purchase exclusive rights in whole, which is a legal process involving lawyers and notaries and extends far beyond their little disclaimer.




tl;dr: You're paranoid. Facebook doesn't own your pictures.

-Doug

[Greymatter Glass]

Also, FWIW, most digital cameras and all major OS's also include these kind of boiler-plate disclaimers, since you're using their software and hardware to process, store, publish, and maintain images.... When I use my Nikon to take a picture, they "own" it in part as long as it's on a memory card that's inside their camera. These days more and more high tech devices are not outright owned by the person who "bought" them, they're just licensing the hardware for exclusive, non-revocable use. IP law sucks.

[Mac Maestro]

FACEBOOK'ers or Faceboogers?