My technique is terrible, need a little guidance . . . .

[hwcglass]

So I have this pendant design that is quite good but I'm really having trouble converting the physical design to another patterning style.

The project involves producing a cab and then framing that cab in a cookie-foot like process, toss a bail on the back and cold facet the cab to a four point rocking face.

I am trying to change the kind of cab I use; different cab, same assembly style.

The cabs I have been using are all based off of solid work, like honeycombs, and I'm having trouble producing clear fronted cabs off of blown work.

I have a tube of white chino stick stack and the idea is to make a cab where there is a clear lens backed by the pattern on my zanfirico tube.

I have tried several methods:

* Terminate and blow out ball, reduce face slightly to flat-ish. Come down on that with a large gather of clear. From there I have problems with the mushrooming of the clear, so I have . . .
>>> pulled out immediately to ease shoulder back.
>>> removed clear rod and melted in like one would a marble on the front of a pipe

* Terminate and blow out ball, removing it from tube to make a coin like object, bringing the clear into the back of the coin. But I have trouble getting crisp pattern edges.

I know for sure marble makers and clear fronted, patterned backed pendant makers have a procedure that I'm clueless to.

The cabs have to be smartly shaped, that is to say the pattern must go to the edge of the cab and no further and can not be allowed to gather in from the edge or to condense like a reduction marble.

Size is not that big, 37mm are what my honeycombs measure.

All the attempts I have made look like crap and are definitely not worth finishing with frame and coldwork. I would keep going, keep trying to make it, but I feel like I'm so far off base I don't really have a good technique and process to improve upon.

Can anyone help me here?

Again, tube of stick stack chino to clear cab backed with tube.

Thanks.

[p.j.]

try sleeving it again, terminate, then hold it horizontal and reduce the size. maybe don't inflate it as much,then you will get more of a clear lens, without screwing up the pattern......or you could scrap the tubing and go old school, and flare the end of a point lay your white, and close the end and implode. you will get a thick clear cap that way.

ps. we all know you can rock i/o prodo

[vetropod]

H you may need guidance, but ...

[Greymatter Glass]

You got enough cowbell for that process? might need more...

[Black Fire]

Not quite sure what a cab is? Still, from what you say, maybe you need the big tube fast-tack?

Take pretty much any tube and blow a bubble maybe twice the size (at the bubble's widest point) of the pattern you're trying to sink, probably with a thickish wall.

Melt that bubble flat like you're intending to make it into a tube implosion. Since you want to facet it (?) you're going to want it to be a little thick, say 7mm. Strive to keep it really even, not too center-bulged.

Now the hard part: get that clear disk mad hot and your pattern almost as mad hot; when it all looks good and before anything slumps WHAM tack it FAST to the clear disk. EDIT: make sure that the pattern you're trying to tack is slightly convex, otherwise you're headed for air-trap city, a city of misery.

Now pull off like any tube implosion, pull off the clear from the edges until you're right next to the beginning of the color of your pattern, and proceed from there with your gig.

Again, I'm not positive that I understand your post, so please take it with a grain of salt and sorry if I'm confusing things.

If you succeed, post some pics so we can know what the hell you're talking about :)

[hwcglass]

fuck.

[Black Fire]

LOL! Is that "fuck" as in "nobody understands what I'm getting at", or "fuck" as in "those techs are a pain in the ass", or another "fuck" altogether? :D

[The Bigles]

So I have this pendant design that is quite good but I'm really having trouble converting the physical design to another patterning style.

The project involves producing a cab and then framing that cab in a cookie-foot like process, toss a bail on the back and cold facet the cab to a four point rocking face.

I am trying to change the kind of cab I use; different cab, same assembly style.

The cabs I have been using are all based off of solid work, like honeycombs, and I'm having trouble producing clear fronted cabs off of blown work.

I have a tube of white chino stick stack and the idea is to make a cab where there is a clear lens backed by the pattern on my zanfirico tube.

I have tried several methods:

* Terminate and blow out ball, reduce face slightly to flat-ish. Come down on that with a large gather of clear. From there I have problems with the mushrooming of the clear, so I have . . .
>>> pulled out immediately to ease shoulder back.
>>> removed clear rod and melted in like one would a marble on the front of a pipe

* Terminate and blow out ball, removing it from tube to make a coin like object, bringing the clear into the back of the coin. But I have trouble getting crisp pattern edges.

I know for sure marble makers and clear fronted, patterned backed pendant makers have a procedure that I'm clueless to.

The cabs have to be smartly shaped, that is to say the pattern must go to the edge of the cab and no further and can not be allowed to gather in from the edge or to condense like a reduction marble.

Size is not that big, 37mm are what my honeycombs measure.

All the attempts I have made look like crap and are definitely not worth finishing with frame and coldwork. I would keep going, keep trying to make it, but I feel like I'm so far off base I don't really have a good technique and process to improve upon.

Can anyone help me here?

Again, tube of stick stack chino to clear cab backed with tube.

Thanks.

sounds like you need to go see it done in person. it would be very difficult to explain the exact heat gradiants that you're asking about in writing. Time for a weekend in colorado. A round trip flight from SLC to Denver is often less than 200 bucks.

[hwcglass]

LOL! Is that "fuck" as in "nobody understands what I'm getting at, or "fuck" as in "those techs are a pain in the ass", or another "fuck" altogether? :D

Fuck as in "FUCKING FUCK, USELESS MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! WHY DON"T YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!!!!"

It's a new day, I have a new game plan.

I've been bringing the clear to the bubble and I think this is backward, today I'm bringing the bubble to the clear; produce clear puck cab, bring to bubble, trash cut, wipe edges, reshape and crisp up cab, continue on with project.

[The Bigles]

yea, the clear is the majority of the weight in this step. I'd say the larger mass usually receives the focus of attention. (you add something small to something larger, not the other way around)

[glassdocnc]

Fuck as in "FUCKING FUCK, USELESS MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! WHY DON"T YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!!!!"



:devilish: Oh, I thought it was an offer (or a command).

[Kato]

Is there a pic you can provide of what your trying to make? Even a crude sketch? I'm just confused as to what a cab is. I haven't heard that term personally before. Maybe lay down the lines instead of using premade tubing?

[Greymatter Glass]

so this is NOT a cowbell related problem? ... oh hey... I should go make a crate for that mill... bye

[phab]

Fuck as in "FUCKING FUCK, USELESS MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! WHY DON"T YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!!!!"



...what you want someone to call you a cab?




























































































































































ok, youre a cab.

[hwcglass]

Okay, you bastards. I know you all have the answers.

This is a cab. Shorter version of the word cabochon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabochon).
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5584.jpg

You can see that it is a flat backed domed thing. This one is a carving prep, there is a color pattern inside.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5585.jpg

Here is a faceted honeycomb cab with a hole in it, making it a pendant.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5588.jpg

These pendants have had a cab sunk into a cookie foot like frame. There is a picked bail on the back.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5589.jpg

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5591.jpg

The goal is to make this physical design with a different style.

This is the kind of prep I am using, this is a simple kind, a piece of scrap-ish.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5586.jpg

This is the kind of bead I make with this kind of prep.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5593.jpg

So, a clear cab with the zanfirico on the back.

I have a new plan of attack, been on paperwork all day so far, be trying out this procedure:

1) Make clear cab, handle on domed face, flat back nicely flame polished.

2) Produce prep, blow into ball of sufficient size at to accept flat face of cab, blown to more of a squat shape, domed in the front.

3) Preheat ball and cab, push cab back into ball prep.

4) flame cut prep off of cab, wipe edges clean. dress cab.

5) execute remainder of project.

Thoughts?

[phab]

Okay, you bastards. I know you all have the answers.

This is a cab. Shorter version of the word cabochon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabochon).
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5584.jpg

You can see that it is a flat backed domed thing. This one is a carving prep, there is a color pattern inside.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5585.jpg

Here is a faceted honeycomb cab with a hole in it, making it a pendant.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5588.jpg

These pendants have had a cab sunk into a cookie foot like frame. There is a picked bail on the back.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5589.jpg

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5591.jpg

The goal is to make this physical design with a different style.

This is the kind of prep I am using, this is a simple kind, a piece of scrap-ish.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5586.jpg

This is the kind of bead I make with this kind of prep.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5593.jpg

So, a clear cab with the zanfirico on the back.

I have a new plan of attack, been on paperwork all day so far, be trying out this procedure:

1) Make clear cab, handle on domed face, flat back nicely flame polished.

2) Produce prep, blow into ball of sufficient size at to accept flat face of cab, blown to more of a squat shape, domed in the front.

3) Preheat ball and cab, push cab back into ball prep.

4) flame cut prep off of cab, wipe edges clean. dress cab.

5) execute remainder of project.

Thoughts?


...how much do you want for that quarter?

[Greymatter Glass]

Okay, you bastards. I know you all have the answers.

This is a cab. Shorter version of the word cabochon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabochon).
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5584.jpg

You can see that it is a flat backed domed thing. This one is a carving prep, there is a color pattern inside.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5585.jpg

Here is a faceted honeycomb cab with a hole in it, making it a pendant.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5588.jpg

These pendants have had a cab sunk into a cookie foot like frame. There is a picked bail on the back.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5589.jpg

http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5591.jpg

The goal is to make this physical design with a different style.

This is the kind of prep I am using, this is a simple kind, a piece of scrap-ish.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5586.jpg

This is the kind of bead I make with this kind of prep.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/HWCGlass/DSCN5593.jpg

So, a clear cab with the zanfirico on the back.

I have a new plan of attack, been on paperwork all day so far, be trying out this procedure:

1) Make clear cab, handle on domed face, flat back nicely flame polished.

2) Produce prep, blow into ball of sufficient size at to accept flat face of cab, blown to more of a squat shape, domed in the front.

3) Preheat ball and cab, push cab back into ball prep.

4) flame cut prep off of cab, wipe edges clean. dress cab.

5) execute remainder of project.

Thoughts?


I got that mill boxed up... you want me to send it to you or someone in wisco?

[hwcglass]

toss the thing in a priority mail bag, did you?

Need that thing to get here safe.

The absolute latest I can take delivery on anything is Friday June 3rd. If you can have it here by then, mozel tof.

[Greymatter Glass]

I dunno, I will call fedex tomorrow and see if it'll make it by the third... pm me your address again?

If not, what?

[hwcglass]

475 East 100 North
PO Box 248
Monroe, UT 84754

if not then hold until june 15th.

(I hate telling hippies to wait. like telling ice to get cold.)

[Greymatter Glass]

hrm... no fedex/ups?

[hwcglass]

sure, either one. in rural places like this one fedex/ups all deliver to the post office box when they feel lazy.

USE BOTH addresses when labeling.

[Black Fire]

Ah.....cabochon. I've never been great at the fancy names.

Sounds good, but keep the tube thing in mind; it may offer better control over the thickness of the clear, and might distort less. FWIW.

That white one is NICE NICE NICE

[hwcglass]

worth a try, tube as lens . . . never would have thunk it.

[hwcglass]

push clear puck into bubble works well. my results are not . . . clean enough, but the route is clear. this approach will work.

and in like five years, when I finally have the things looking good, one of you bastard hippies will be at my house, you will see how I'm doing it and you'll be like, "dude, why do you do it that way? If you would have just asked on the MP I could have told you a way easier technique." Yeah, thanks.

[TlkQ]

God damn hippies.

[hwcglass]

fucking seriously.

[kage]

i like to take a cab to the airport. much cheaper than parking

[CripSkillz]

Take tube n lube it up real good , like cover the tip it will feel better when your rotating the shaft back n forth.. then take that honeycomb n heat it up in the hot box that should be heating your tube as we speak,, and slide it in between the lips of your hot box,, you know the glory hole , now move it around till its nice n juicy , now holding your tube firmly pull it out of the hot hole and plunge it into the brown eye. I mean clear lens that you were keeping hot with your other hand or mouth or whatever . Now just move it n grove it till it all sloppy n wet lookin then slap that ass in a few times for good measure ,,, eat sandwiches n wait 9 mo

hrs till that babys cooked and you will have a masterful piece you can put up for adoption or feed wheat grass for the rest of its life , either way I'm sure you will love it cuz it will come from your sack which contains your soul.....

[hwcglass]

Take tube n lube it up real good , like cover the tip it will feel better when your rotating the shaft back n forth.. then take that honeycomb n heat it up in the hot box that should be heating your tube as we speak,, and slide it in between the lips of your hot box,, you know the glory hole , now move it around till its nice n juicy , now holding your tube firmly pull it out of the hot hole and plunge it into the brown eye. I mean clear lens that you were keeping hot with your other hand or mouth or whatever . Now just move it n grove it till it all sloppy n wet lookin then slap that ass in a few times for good measure ,,, eat sandwiches n wait 9 mo

hrs till that babys cooked and you will have a masterful piece you can put up for adoption or feed wheat grass for the rest of its life , either way I'm sure you will love it cuz it will come from your sack which contains your soul.....

I know I'm not the first to say it, but you're not very nice.

I would say something shitty in return but you speak it all well enough.

[Kato]

What Harold? Crips got great advice. Helped me with my cabs.

[hwcglass]

What Harold? Crips got great advice. Helped me with my cabs.

Crabs. He helped you with your crabs.

[The Bigles]

i knew a thread of someone asking for technical advice would be entertaining.

[Swampy]

Infract their infractable arses, Harold. You know you want to.

[hwcglass]

Some people can't use infractions.

The universe precludes it.

Be so ironic; trying to be the person I'm trying to be has always painted me infractable by someone's account. Live the life I have and then start 'infracting' people? I just can't.

[vetropod]

def some good entertainment value wherever H steps... :rollin

[Greymatter Glass]

So no go for certain on the dates... I can ship it to wisco, if you're gonna drive and have room... or ship it after.

I am so awesome.

[Julian]

Crabochon.

[Greymatter Glass]

Crabs. He helped you with your crabs.

damn I can't rep that but I wanted to.

And Harold, Crip's got good advice man, he speaks from TONS of personal experience.

[Swampy]

Say, is that a real kevlar poncho you're wearing or is that a Sears poncho?

Hmmm, no fooling...

[hwcglass]

It's not where the poncho is from, it's whose wearing it.

Seriously.

[FredLight]

"Who's"?

[hwcglass]

right. I'm not that quick with the grammar and spelling and such, if it doesn't have a red line under it.

[FredLight]

just effin around....

your technique is great,

just hold your head higher.

[naughty pirate wench]

Crip-Sweetie!!!

How in the WORLD did I miss THIS until this now?

Y'know, for a Bearcat, you sure have a naughty way with words. :whip:


Take tube n lube it up real good...

[Aymie]

Did you get this worked out? I am guessing so, but if not, I may actually have useful advice. But some do call me a hippie.

[naughty pirate wench]

HWC, your work is phenomenal and inspiring. (Not just the pics in this thread, either - I've long admired your beads.)

Thanks for posting the pics - I was struggling with the mental picture.

I'm genuinely curious - have you worked out a solution to the challenge yet?