what do u think

[J McGhee]

about the ust brand clear please give honest reports no the simax the ust.\

good or bad

[Fire on the mountain]

i just tried it out today for the first time...im definitely really happy with it. I was skeptical that it would be better than pyrex but i already like it more. The guys over at UST are really good to deal with and definitely hook it up fat. Im definitely getting all my clear from them from now on.

[medicatedMELTDOWN]

Ive had air lines and some random bumps in 32x4.....but it's pretty decent glass if you dont use the bad parts.

it almost seems to crack easier also......


Hey Adam if you see this.....when are you going to post a group picture of the glass you recieved?

[slave]

i didn't notice the air lines untill it was mentioned but yea they are there haven't found any random bumps in mine though i haven't really scrutinized it either. as far as cracking goes... im still pretty new and so when i crack something its probably my fault. i must say though i got a large amount of glass for the price i paid.

[borealisglass]

We still haven't opened the box, we're such slackers....

[timinny420]

i got mine - its all i will be useing untill i get to more complex things - and then i will only change if i notice a problem - now we just need someone to come with some good cheap color - thanks adam

[nodge]

I have beeen very happy with this glass.The cases have arrived in perfect condition and i have had 0 problems with the glass.I would recommend to anyone.Great customer service.If your shit is cracking it's your own fault.Don't blame the product blame your experience.Keep it hot. Nodge

[somberbear]

when he speaks of crack... he means breaking it up into usable sizes... atleast thats what i think... i could be wrong...

i crack off tubes all day ... some are easier then others...

[smutboy420]

I will give it an OK. But its got to improve on the wall eveness. at least the case I have.
Wehn i first inspected it it appered like sweet glass. Then I used some. I was not impressed so much then.
I had more then one point blow up when putting it in the flame. 3 so far
and thats about how many I have ever had explode on me in a year if that using other glass.
I have to preheat it bam lost time and $ right the
then its got some weird thing going on with the wall. you can roll it on a table and the out side is round as hell yey if you have a point on side is heavier then the other and it just will not will not blow out a decnt round bubble with all kinds of finessing it.

I have a case that was like $100 or so my cost and I saved about $50 from if I bought my reg brand. But if it where not for the fact meghan has no clue on the economics of running a biz i wanted to just throw the whole case out and call it a good try and wait a year before bothering getting stuck with a case of it again. But meg some how feels spending a few hundred of our time is worth not throwing out $100 of some shity useless glass.

I will try it again in like a year or so if I hear of improvent. I know that even if I think it sucks it can't be a walk in to park to get it all just right with out some trrial and error.

[medicatedMELTDOWN]

when he speaks of crack... he means breaking it up into usable sizes... atleast thats what i think... i could be wrong...

i crack off tubes all day ... some are easier then others...

nah I meant it explodes more commonly than the other glass ive used... but thats just my opinion....

I also thought there was something wack about the walls like smutboy said.....at first i thought I was going crazy but it has happened a few times.

dont get me wrong.....its OK glass.....you just get what you pay for and I could see it being perfect for prodo but too inconsistent for other work.

[J McGhee]

nice too hear

well i have some problems with the 12.7 i got it wont stick to any tubes simax, kimble, or even the other ust tubes.
so im wondering if there is a coe problem with the 12.7. im going to call him tues.
im hoping the rest dont have this problem its kinda making me scared to use it now.
well i find out tomorrow what can be done about this.

and i knnow its not my fault i stick it as a blow tube but soon as it cools down while im working the piece just falls off the 12.7.

and ive had them crack after i anneal them in the kiln and before like that shit china glass

[J McGhee]

about the ust brand clear please give honest reports no the simax the ust.\

good or bad


not simax just the ust glass thanks

[skip]

If your shit is cracking it's your own fault.Don't blame the product blame your experience.Keep it hot. Nodge

There are several types of glass that crack more easily than others. Take Chinex for example, That stuff will explode if not preheated and even then it's likely to happen. The older cobalt tube was prone to cracking. It has lot more to do with like bad formulas than "experience" .

If someone took out a tube and put it in the flame just like they would Simax or pyrex or schott and this brand cracked that is a test. It has nothing to do with user error. Like if you take a new color of glass and put it to "the test" you put it through several different techniques where you know it will be tried and tested. Then post or take note of the outcome. If a glass can't take the same streses of another brand I think it's worth taking note. Sure you learn through trial and error how to work it.

[fumalicious]

Take Chinex for example, That stuff will explode if not preheated and even then it's likely to happen.:lol Yep, I just have to note- I did not know boro could detonate like that... :lol

carry on with the poll.....

[J McGhee]

well nogde or what ever ur name is,
i know its not my exp that is the problem.
it must be the product.

i've went through several as in 8 to 12 tubes before posting. and i work with several kinds of boro clear so i noticed that

1st. it bubbled up fast
2nd it melted super fast
3 rd it wont stick to any of my bigger sized tubing from several company's
so i was wondering if anyone else is having this problem and if not how they like the glass.


these ur thing that adam should want to hear anyway. about the bubbles and unevenness.
so he can fix what need to be dealt with. i dint have a lot of info of where this glass comes from or if it is a new company making it and trying to work out the shit that happens.

i like adam he is very on it
i got 11 cases of glass this month some simax some ust
some tubes of ust were broke in a couple boxs and he is sending full new boxs free, for my troubles.
which is way cool.

but if we dont tell him about these problems how will he know what to fix or work on to bring us the best glass for the best price.

[smutboy420]

but if we dont tell him about these problems how will he know what to fix or work on to bring us the best glass for the best price.
That is how I feel about it. Tho I don't feel the savings where worth it on the case I got. I know it can and will get better. (to bad exsisting tube could not be fixed) and I don't feel like I got riped off or any thing esp knowing adam is cool and all.
I can make the stuff work but maybe I'm just get snobish in my old age. But as it is right now to me the extra work for a pcs that comes out less then would other wise just don't comput even if the glass was free or even better then free negitively priced :-) If I GOT paid $300-$400 a case to use it. Then it MIGHT be worth it. lol lol lol. J/K (Sorry that was my rocifeller genes thinking there.)

But Meghan Has found one nitch for the 32mm UST Glass we have. Shes been making lil mini bings out of it. and shes actally been slowly but steadly eating up the case of it. Bings have a higher matrial to labor ratio then say a medium spoon. So its kind of working out ok. BUT even if a whole case is busted out its like still only $0.40 per bing that we are saving. But if we are retailing it we could go $2 less on the finnished pcs if we where going just by matrial costs. A $20 wholesale pcs could be $18 If we felt we wanted to come down or We can stay at $20 and consider it $2 extra in our pocket. So I guess its all a matter of how we want to count the beans.

[timinny420]

i havent had a cracking problem yet at all - and 6 weeks ago i was prekilning all of my pyrex cuz it kept breaking on me - but the wall thickness being uneven - i could see that - i still like for prodo - peace

[highroller]

I have noticed micro-bubbles on the surface as you get it molten.I belive this has to do with flux(es) % in the over all batch recipe.I will say that it heats a little faster and does not show the color (i.e. yellow to orange to bright orange) as much as Simax.Once again I think this is due to the recipe flux(es) % being tweeked.I also had several tube in 32x4mm with air bubble lines.And finally when going to gather a thick mouth piece I get surface d-vit as it cools that I did not ever get with Simax,simple fire polish but that is one step I didn't have to do befor.Price is good ,can get better if they are not going to fix these formula problems.Shipping also yelded damage.Thanx Todd

[diglassworks]

Honestly, chinex works pretty well for me. I hardly ever have anything crack, but I use it for prodo. I also haven't used any tubing bigger than 25.4 though. I never have to preheat my points in the kiln and they're always fine for me. I'd really love to find some cheaper (priced) glass from somewhere other than China, I hate giving them money, but with the prices of prodo these days..... it's kind of hard to turn down a 40 lb case of 25.4, with 25 5ft tubes for $100...

I haven't recieved any ust glass yet, I was supposed to get a sample piece or two a week or two ago, still waiting on that.

I really think that certain types of glass work easier on certain torches, I'm sure many will disagree, but that's my theory in a nutshell.

[highroller]

OOPPPS,I forgot to give UST a review.Out of a 1-10 scale,Schott being a 11,Simax 9.25,UST 8.75,anything else leave to the beginners or schwag prodo blowers.I ordered a pallet soon as Adam came out with it and I will order another pallet this week for all my prodo.I probably will keep using it hoping that all the bugs will be worked out as the company ages and grows.Thanx Todd

[Groundjoints.com]

(puts on moustache and glasses)

Great stuff Great stuff.

Just kidding.

I don't want to polljack or anything and I appreciate the kind and the unkind things that have been said about myself, our company and the glass, and we are doing the best to address these concerns especially variations in wall thickness. As far as cracking is concerned, we have had isolated reports of this happening, but not enough instances to chalk it up to anything other then getting used to the glass. As far as coefficency problems, based on the tests we have done, the coefficency is dead on and the glass shakes hands very well with other clear and all color manufactured products. We are constantly improving the quality of our glass with each batch and given some time and feedback from my test market (you guys and gals) I think we will nail it. Different things work for different people too. I can tell you that this glass IS softer then Simax as far as the necessary working temperature to get it moving, this is good because it requires less gas to heat up, but it might be different then what you are accustomed to working with and it takes some getting used to. Don't forget that the glass comes with a money back guarantee. That is something that I offer to every customer. The top secret GLDG pricing however, is not. Based on list pricing you guys and gals are paying anywhere for 50% to 60% less then the tubing costs for other imported material. We do understand that with super headdie work the material costs becomes less important then the time put in. I wouldnt advertise our glass as the be all end all of glass products, you are going to have to give us some time to work at that. But it is good enough for day to day work and heddie work in most instances. Aside from the money back guarantee I am also instating an in stock guarantee, which you will see advertised in the next issue of Glassline Magazine. I guarantee to have at least 30 cases of all of the UST sizes in our catalog in stock at any time or you get free glass. We are also adding new sizes monthly, keep your eyes peeled for new pricelists in the sale section of this forum.

I honestly have to say that I have learned the majority of what I know about glass from you people over the past 3 years. Our special pricing is my way to say thanks to you. Do not hesitate to contact me via phone, email, aim, snail mail or smoke signal if you have any questions about our glass products or our company. Like I stated before, my goal is to eventually provide an inexpensive one-stop shop for lampworking supplies including clear, color, tools and ground glass fittings. I will not sacrifice quality in order to reach this goal. If you need it we will have it.

Thank you

Adam Temkin
Sales Manager
UST Glass
AT@USTGlass.com
www.ustglass.com

[PyroChixRock]

Jason can you bring over a piece of that 12.7 so I can try it?

[J McGhee]

ya tomorrow ill bring it over.

ii talked to adam and he seid that its good, so ill try some more tonight and see what happends. im going to ball some up and mix it with some simax then pull it down into a stringer and seee what happends.

[smutboy420]

Adam I trust that the quality will only go up. So definitly don't consider your self off our list or any thing man.

[$$$$$$$]

i've ran through a case of 44 UST since i got it from adam right before christmas and i can say this glass is pretty sweet. the first time i used it i definatly noticed that it takes less heat to get it hot, which after you get used to it, kicks ass. i haven't noticed any bumps or air bubbles, but like someone said earlier flame polished ends would be nice. I was making a hand full of goblets and noticed that when you blow a bigger bubble it really wants to start going oval on you. for most other apps i think it's pretty good

in response to what someone said earlier, i really can't think of what "heady" tech's you wouldn't want to use it for..

[J McGhee]

so i've went through some more of the 12.7 and didn't have to bad of a time with it.
i found if i just don't heat it as hot it works alot better.

got the last of my glass from adam packing was top notch... did have rips on the out box of one from shipping. but inner box was fine.

i've worked all the sizes i got from 26x4 32x4 38x4 of the ust had no problems besides one explosion on the end. but that was from just sticking the tube in the flame. just got to get used to preheating it a lil.

ill be buying more from adam
ust for prodo and simax for rod and upper end work

thanks jason mcghee

the 12.7 i need to work with it some more to make my final opinion about it.


has anyone else worked the 12.7 from this forum?

[$$$$$$$]

what the hell would you do with 12.7 ?

[skip]

Handles there cupcake ..... and not the cb name kind or the love ones.

[GlassAce]

China? I thought UST was supposed to be Russian.

[darv]

It's confusing, but I think there is a russian guy in charge of quality, but it is manufactured in china. Not sure about this. I'm sure adam will give us the correct answer when he sees this post.

derek

[Groundjoints.com]

UST Glass is manufactured with a collaboration of Chinese and Russian manufacturing technology. The quality improvements over other manufactured Chinese glass products are entirely as a result of this collaboration. I don't believe that I have mislead anyone into thinking that the glass isnt produced in China. Except you glassace. And I did that on purpose because I love the little wonderful helpful things you add to posts that involve me. Are you from Russia or China? No one I have talked to on this forum has any idea who you are. You should give me a call sometime and I will clear up anything that is confusing for you.

Thanks

Adam

[chuckworks]

my new case of 44x4 came without a scratch, thanks adam.

[mistahead]

"am working with another company now called US TRADING GLASS. They have been bringing high-quality quartz product in from Russia for quite some time. We were able to find an untapped resource for very nice borosilicate tubing and rod, laboratory apparatus, high expansion borosilicate tubing (59-63 coe) and ground glass fittings. I have already sent some samples out, more samples to come. I know how everybody likes free stuff. We have access to over 200 tons a month of this product, so availability will never be an issue. I am just waiting for a little more feedback, I like what I have heard so far, and I will give the go ahead for the order. The pricing and quality will be along the same lines as Eigenschaft was; we have also hired an independent quality control firm to certify that each shipment will meet or exceed the same tolerances that are published by your favorite European tubing manufacturers. If all is well we will have product in the next 30 days. Please email me at the address below for a list of sizes and any questions you might have about me or us or the product that will be available."

i could see how glass ace thought that it was from russia from that post cause i had also thought that too .but i had spoke to adam about it an he cleared it up.

[PyroChixRock]

Really, who cares? You guys all love the color from China, everyone buys the shit outta that. So some good clear is going to come from a Russia/China collab, kick ass! Even better, we're getting KICK ASS PRICES!!!!!!

Adam, you're doing a great job, keep it up.

[Firekist]

1st. it bubbled up fast---as in there were tiny bubbles that form on the surface while heating. it also tends to boil because of these bubbles if worked hard.
2nd it melted super fast---seems to work a little faster than simax.. but possibly the exact same.. heh

3 i've noticed the out of roundedness on the 32x4 case i got. it's not bad, but it's noticiable. points don't come out quite as nice, and blowing even cups is more of a challenge.
i almost like the little added challenge.. just cause that part's boring anyway. hah.
4 yes, the occasional seed and small line happen. 3 seeds and 5 less than a cm lines was the worst tube. the best tube prolly had 2 lines. (i've gone through 12 tubes)

i always heat my points (simax) somewhat slowly in a bushy flame before using.. i've had too many points (simax) blow up, i'm still shell shocked.. so.. i don't know if ust really does have some shocking problems.

i've done 5 honeycombs with ust tube and kimax and simax rod. all have turned out fine. the kimax/ust combo seems to show the least "line" thingy between the clears.

i've only used this for prodo bats and a couple honeycombs. i'm leaving higher work to simax for now. i really hope these kinks get worked out, cause the price sure is nice =)

as far as the bubbles on the surface go.. i wondered if some of it was simply from dirt and poor product handling.. as in small scratches. cleaning seemed to help a little.. but still the problem was there.

i gave it the ok.. good price, good guy (adam), and it's brand new.. hopefully kinks get worked out.

z--seth

[medicatedMELTDOWN]

from what has been said it sounds to me like different size tubes have different issues......

people that got the 44x4 seem to have only had good things to say about it.

most people that got the 32x4 seem to say there is some air lines in the tube and also a bit off-round.......some also say they love it.
(Im not trying to speak for others, just sum up the responces Ive seen)


when my 32x4 arrived the surface was clean..........but my case of 9.5mm was dirty with some scratches.......that doesn't really bother me because I am just using them for handles.....but it seems to show that the glass varies depending on the SIZE you get.

I hope it can become more consistant.....because the price is nice......



Im not trying to knock Adam, because I think hes a good guy.....but it is obvious that there are a few kinks that need to be fixed...............the poll show this.

[Satori]

So I just used my first little bit of 50x5 tubing tonight. I made my first real i/o line tube pull from it. I then made that into what looked like a pretty sweet bubbler when I put it in the kiln. I suppose I'll see how it turned out tomorrow.

The tube seemed to work fine...nice and easy to heat. I didn't notice any wall inconsistencies...but then again I only used about a 3-4 inch section. I'll need to use it more before I can say much about it.

I will say it came packaged excellently. No damage whatsoever. Overall, I'm excited to see how it ends up working out. The price sure can't be beat.

[Satori]

So here's the piece I made with the UST tubing. I think it turned out pretty nice. So far I like this tubing...but I need to use it more still!

http://www.glasspipes.org/Gal14645_First_real_i_o_tube_pull.asp

[Groundjoints.com]

Very Nice Satori

[Satori]

Thanks dude. Just wait...that was only the first! They'll only get better and better :)

[karlt13]

adam,

Its karl in amsterdam, e-mail me and bring me up to speed with what you guys are doing, calrosenblat87@hotmail.com, Im in need of cheap glass in europe, im sick of using schoot, its too expensive

[Mr. Wonka]

I recently purchased some glass samples from UST, and although I only had it for a short time, here are a couple of quick thoughts:

- Customer service: Impeccable. I placed my order and it was boxed up the same day. There was a slight delay in the shipping time, but Adam promptly called me and informed me that it would ship the next business day.

- Shipping- No problem at all. The cases was bubble wrapped and placed in larger boxes with Styrofoam cushions on the ends… no breakage at all (UPS even beat the crap out of one of the boxes)

- I have used the 6mm and 12mm rod for several repair jobs, pendants, solid sculptures, and 4 students in a recent class. There have been no compatibility issues whatsoever, and I have not found any seeds, air bubbles, or inconsistencies with the glass.

- I’ll post again when I have a chance to work with the tubing.



Thanks a bunch Adam, keep up the good work!
Link to UST (http://www.ustglass.com/)

[newmexicomagma]

well i was all stoked when i saw how cheap it was. i guess its for a reason. i really dont like it too much. it gets the job done but i have had more tubes blow up and crack on me with this case than any other one. i think im goinna go back to kimble or maybe schott artistic everyone swayed me the last time. or at least try it i guess. the weirdest thing i have found with it is microbubbles. ill be melting a piece then all of a sudden i see all kinds of bubbles on the surface then i blow it out and melt it down and they are virtually gone. but anyways .02

[ShttrdSpctrm]

ya i got some a while ago and i had a problem with scratches and them boilin really bad. other than that its o k . i think im gonna go with the kimble or the schott artistic too. no diss on ust, just prolly wont buy it anymore.

[bc]

[QUOTE=Mr Wonka;46737]I recently purchased some glass samples from UST, and although I only had it for a short time, here are a couple of quick thoughts:

- Customer service: Impeccable. I placed my order and it was boxed up the same day. There was a slight delay in the shipping time, but Adam promptly called me and informed me that it would ship the next business day.

- Shipping- No problem at all. The cases was bubble wrapped and placed in larger boxes with Styrofoam cushions on the ends… no breakage at all (UPS even beat the crap out of one of the boxes)

- I have used the 6mm and 12mm rod for several repair jobs, pendants, solid sculptures, and 4 students in a recent class. There have been no compatibility issues whatsoever, and I have not found any seeds, air bubbles, or inconsistencies with the glass.

- I’ll post again when I have a chance to work with the tubing.

I've had a few problems with ust shipping myself, two times, both times. 1st I ordered a bunch of glass to do orders with, only half order came with no note. Left message complaining about it, adam left message back saying sorry. Second order I did never made it to me. I ordered glass gave my NEW addy an nothing happened. Called adam complained, he said it was still on the back dock an the shipper must have forgotten to pick it up(adam your a nice guy but I don't believe that story for a minute) an he would make sure it was out today--here's the problem, if it was on the back dock with my NEW address on it, fine it would go out an get delivered, if it really wasn't on the dock an he forgot it, went into the computer, found my old address an shipped it to my old address, I wouldn't get it. Which is what happened.

Now, all that said, I know adam is human an can make mistakes an don't hold anything on him for that. HOwever, if this happend AGAIN, I would no longer consider him for biz. I know all was unintentional an he coulda had a few hetic days in philly.

Hopefully I have adams attention an would like to ask him what my shipping address is so I will know he is on the right trck, please pm with my shipping info adam, let's see if your on track from my last order.

all in all folks make mistakes an I appreciate what he has done for us, hopfully we can't get on the same page.

for the glass, hate 25 heavy, 32 an 44 were ok, like cupcake said it does seem to go oval a bit.

schot artist I think is a better value.

[petto]

Had a case last month and I think it worked great for prodo work. Just doing B&B spoons but did not have any tube break or explode.

[Dom]

Id have to say it sucks.

I bought a case and every single tube but one was broken in some way or another. Ok I blame it on the UPS guy.

Then I started working with it and immidiately noticed the unever wall. I couldnt blow an even bubble for sh1t. Also like other said it like to blow up. I had one point explode on me so far. Also some end product cracked on me.

Im going back to simax or trying out schott.

[glassblowingBiker]

bang for the buck on this glass for prodo it works well just have to work some dif flames with it
nicer stuff simax all the way i just got a case of the new schott havent tryed it yet so dont know but i have heard great stuff about it Peace Jeff

[jahglass]

I like the UST brand glass, especially for prodo stuff. You cant beat the price and the quality is pretty good in my opinion. As for customer service, Adam and crew are really great people to deal with. In my experience, they have gone out of their way to make sure Im a happy camper. I live across the river, so I usually go directly to their office to pick up my glass. My orders are always ready in a timely fashion. Shit, they even load my glass into my car without me asking. Keep up the good work Adam, Ill be back for another order soon. Id like to see more sizes available in medium wall.

[HumanLathe]

Holy Shit How Old Is This Thread!!

[J McGhee]

no shit i started this thread a long time ago, what with the old threads being brought back to life?

[Glacier_Arts_Studio]

i had a little of all the same problems as everyone's complaints but, not enough to bitch about really... my biggest complaint is the rough ends... several times this has been a problem in that, it allows for cracking long ways while stored... this has happened to several tubes and once the crack went the hole way down and that tube is now on display in the shop... i still buy it but, i have considered going to schott artistic for my higher end...

[HumanLathe]

well atleast you can get SBA now from UST if you don't like the UST brand glass And that my friends is da budda.

[Jones Art Glass]

well i was all stoked when i saw how cheap it was. i guess its for a reason. i really dont like it too much. it gets the job done but i have had more tubes blow up and crack on me with this case than any other one. i think im goinna go back to kimble or maybe schott artistic everyone swayed me the last time. or at least try it i guess. the weirdest thing i have found with it is microbubbles. ill be melting a piece then all of a sudden i see all kinds of bubbles on the surface then i blow it out and melt it down and they are virtually gone. but anyways .02


Mags, why did you bring this thread back? You ARE an American Tube! Doug(e) left for AGI and Browns resting after a hard bead show(?), come down the mountain and kick it wit me dawg!

[mer]

it gets bumped whenever somebody votes

[Jones Art Glass]

Ahhh!! Sorry, then. I thought Mags was just 18months behind.... Peace

[newmexicomagma]

thanks for rushing with the judgement rashizzle, and why do you have to always call me what the girls call me. its MAGMA.

[MUPH]

How does a fume hold up on this glass compared to Simax or SBA?