Blown Brand

[MadMan]

HI, guys I have been going around my town looking to sell some pieces and get in the door to have some pieces in their shops, all of them have blown bongs for sale. Where are Blown bongs made? The brand on them is blown and their tubes some perced some not. a lot of china and India glass here so im looking to educate them when needed, because they say they dont sell china or india glass when im looking at a bunch of china and India glass. I will post some other names but right now 3 of the main stores all have these bongs one said we get them from a warehouse, which to me means china shipped in massive crates, but im trying to find out.

ROOR I also saw a roor with no label at the top and no sig, only thing roor on it a small roor tag on the base, and blasted roor down steam. is this fake?

[jr23]

Inspector head shop. Did he buy your stuff

[p.j.]

HI, guys I have been going around my town looking to sell some pieces and get in the door to have some pieces in their shops, all of them have blown bongs for sale. Where are Blown bongs made? The brand on them is blown and their tubes some perced some not. a lot of china and India glass here so im looking to educate them when needed, because they say they dont sell china or india glass when im looking at a bunch of china and India glass. I will post some other names but right now 3 of the main stores all have these bongs one said we get them from a warehouse, which to me means china shipped in massive crates, but im trying to find out.

ROOR I also saw a roor with no label at the top and no sig, only thing roor on it a small roor tag on the base, and blasted roor down steam. is this fake?

they are all imported....and the roor is a fake. some stores think they are buying american glass cause they bought it in america....there are a few companies buying those and blasting different names on them

[Icarus]

What's a bong?

[MadMan]

What's a bong?

lol My bad we have to say water pipe here too

[styles1 torchlife]

Once I went to a warehouse in Phoenix that had three "competing brand names."

The product was all the same, and produced in the same warehouse, just with different name brands.

Also the guys from Cali that distributed the original ROOR made the green star brand of their own and sold them side by side. Identical pieces with a different name.


It's crazy that Store owners are buying them knowing they aren't ROOR but don't care.

[Greymatter Glass]

I've been trying to figure out Blown for a while now.

There is a distributor here that sells Blown branded tubes, but he's the one putting the brand name on them. He takes generic Chinese tubes and has someone I know here in town blast the Blown logos on them, or he will put Blown stickers on them - they're not fired on ceramic decals, just plain old thin clear vinyl stickers.

Thing is, I know he's not a HUGE distributor and I see Blown all over the country...

I suspect it's a generic brand that anyone who wants to can buy the stickers from someone, and put them on any glass they want. The guy here took the extra step to scan in a sticker and made a stencil for blasting....

FWIW I've seen him do the same with pretty much every well known brand - pipe and non-pipe alike. He might be ripping off Blown, which is in itself a rip off...

Suffice to say, anything with the name "Blown" on it is made in China, and sold through US distributors. The distributors remove the Made in China stickers and will lie about the country of origin, so it's not uncommon for shops to really think they're getting something made in the US, so if that's the case you can only try to educate them - but don't be surprised when they don't care.

[MadMan]

Hi Doug this is 505 Glass of 505 GLass.com I have been in greymatter a few times for tube and color, I see the Blown glass everywhere. And the zone told me that they get it from a warehouse, here in town. Also some one on the west side, told me they dont sell any chineese glass, and the only know brand was roor, and one of the had to be fake, it had no upper label, and no sig, and a tiny roor lable at the base. they had some carlson work, which im not familur with but was nice. all wanted 10 15 dollar peices (prodo) he said. Strang how not one shop in albuquerque is legit. all get glass from the Warehouse. do you know the name of the distributer because thats the first thing their gonna ask when i tell em their glass is chineese. the customers should be pissed for buying chineese roor's

[TlkQ]

There's a dude in upstate NY that pulls this same shit. "Flo" Brand. Shop owners get so sad when I tell them that they've been had. Dude claims his shit is made in NY. The stickers are put on in NY, sure.

[mad alchemist]

i live in nw indiana and theres tons of these places that want only garbage glass, i saw a "roor" with a hole drilled in it for a carb. not a slide but a carb hole.

[kc-216]

^ a hole drilled in it?? I think you mean laser cut right:D

[oregonglassblower]

I was working out of a headshop that carries Blown glass. When the first order came in I laughed so hard at that china shit. But when a shop can get a i/o spoon for 5 bucks whey give me 15. Most shops just dont care, all they want is there money. Most of these shops will sell mostly spice, the pipes are filler. If I walk into a shop and see spice, I leave.

[DieselPower]

I heard that they were made out in Cali now, and I'm am pretty sure it is now their name/logo. From the warehouse.

[oregonglassblower]

If its american, its made to china standards. Color not worked in, quick shitty prodo. Who does spoons I/O for 5 bucks?i wouldnt make the latt for 5 bucks.

[ROGUE]

If you have to ask if it's fake, it's fake. There's nobody making knock off with the same quality, it wouldn't make sense monetarily. As far as the bong question, I haven't heard somebody call a pipe a bong that knows what they're talking about. There's straight tube pipes, beaker bottom pipes, and so on. At least in my experience.

[Cow'N]

I had a shop ask me if I would put ROOR on some of my pieces. he says they will sell fast.... hahahah its interesting how seeing the name roor gives people boners.

[Wilbur]

ima start a company called double blown, ill have one chinese kid making two tube s, at the same time!!

double blown bro, double blown.

and if i find that one unique chinese kid thast suuper badass, ima give him a flat billed hat, amd we'll introduce the triple blown brand! whooooa!

[byron3]

http://hqmag.com/

Sorry cover has Blown,article on inside.

Rooor was produced in Cali, this year the gent that runs that crew did not renew his Roor trademark agreements. Lux Scientific, Sheldon Black and a no name brand flows out of than Cali studio now!!

When you are a buyer not a seller things look different!!

[byron3]

Roor.us (not legit) still available from ........... lets see, starts with a D

[byron3]

https://www.facebook.com/phreshpicksdist

Hey Grey matter is this you?? J/K

Neighbors??

[Dom]

At least those dude like korean bbq lol

[ROGUE]

http://hqmag.com/

Sorry cover has Blown,article on inside.

Rooor was produced in Cali, this year the gent that runs that crew did not renew his Roor trademark agreements. Lux Scientific, Sheldon Black and a no name brand flows out of than Cali studio now!!

When you are a buyer not a seller things look different!!

I don't quite understand, I couldn't find the article. Does this mean there are no more "real" roor's. Aqua Lab has Roor tech, does that mean those aren't real.

[byron3]

Sorry, you are right...... no article, the table of contents said page 27 for cover sponsor. It was just an ad, usually there are articles associated with the front cover.

Roor.de is made in Germany (Deusctchland), hench the .de designation on the end of their commercial web site : http://www.roor.de/

Roor.us was made in Cali. Jack is a fine man and made all of us American shop owners tons of money with legit Roor products endorsed by Roor of Germany. In fact if Germany did not make them then Whoever had the American Roor patten could not produce them. In other works Lux Scientific was originally presented to Roor and Jack wanted to use the "Roor" trade mark, Germany said no and thus the birth of Lux Scientific.
When Jacks Roor copyright ran out he and Roor negotiated for renewal, due to the fact that Roor themselves would not do anything to stem the tide of BOGUS Roor's into the USA. He personally does not sell Roor any more, though many like me were contacted and told where we could still purchase our "Roor" products through a wholesale distribution company based in Cali.

Real?? Define Real for me Please??

[mellofello]

Roor is a German company as far as I know that company paid to use their name or didn't and just used it anyway. Either way roor is still going strong they have a shop in Amsterdam that is pretty cool to look round I believe eush was there for an even recently, they had photos of his skating outside the shop.

Roor always seemed good quality but they have np real competition on Europe but seems the market in the us has more competition in that area with Toro illadelphi and other so I'm suprised they are so known state side.

[mellofello]

Informative post Byron thanks. I think by real in this situation we are talking about a product endorsed by roor using the name with license. Obviously the unendorsed ones are produced to make money or roors reputation but then I guess the legit Cali company was only doing the same, doubt they were using the German made clear that roor use so they sent the same product and having never been able to compare I have no idea about any imposed quality control that went with their agreement.

I have heard good things about sheldon black glass but the only piece I have had chance to examine 1 oil gig and the quality wasn't the best, some bubbles in seals and the such

[ROGUE]

To be honest, for it to be real it needs to be produce by that company or a company that is endorsed to make "real" genuine Roor. So basically what this means is that there is no longer a genuine American Roor, only Europian? I want a genuine Roor for the simple fact that local shops think they have them and try to charge premium Roor prices for a totally janky tube and I want to show them what a real one truely looks like.

As far as Sheldon Black, I would say if the quality isn't top notch I would be concerned. I have two and they are top shelf glass.

[byron3]

The clear glass is German "Schott" glass, how many tons of that would you like sir and in what flavor(er size)?? http://www.us.schott.com/english/index.html#about

So same Schott glass, same lathes(equipment), same skilled technicians, but no license equals fake??
You have just walked in and picked up a tube marked Roor, you have micrometers, tape measures, whatever you need to make your determination ...... So tell me, what is the acid test??

[ROGUE]

The clear glass is German "Schott" glass, how many tons of that would you like sir and in what flavor(er size)?? http://www.us.schott.com/english/index.html#about

So same Schott glass, same lathes(equipment), same skilled technicians, but no license equals fake??
You have just walked in and picked up a tube marked Roor, you have micrometers, tape measures, whatever you need to make your determination ...... So tell me, what is the acid test??

I see what your saying. I wouldn't say bad quality, but if they are using a name they aren't liscenced for I would call it at the very least not genuine. What I don't understand though is if a person making high quality pipes with high quality glass why would they want to put somebody else's name on it.

I'm not trying to offend anybody, I don't even know what glass anybody is specifically talking about. I just look at it like a high quality knock off rolex. Yeah, it may have the same parts, and in some cases even genuine rolex parts but if it wasn't assembled by rolex it is still a fake. Some people, me included, sometimes buy things for the simple fact that they are made by who they say they are made by.

[mer]

most of the truth about roor is in this thread if you piece it together right. of course nobody on the inside is going to say. roor earned their rep in a different time and they did a lot to push glass over acrylic and gong over slides. respect for the old days! nowadays the world is much more complicated.

[honestcharlie]

Cut and paste with heavy editing

SIGNATURE The first thing that Iwant to talk about is the signature of the RooR waterpipes. I can say that MOST every RooR waterpipe that is bought will come with a signature, andif it doesn't that should be your first clue that it isn't real. Also, the side at which the signature is on doesn't make a difference. Some come with them above the joint, some on the right, some on the left. This also doesn't have anything to do with it being blown in the United States or Germany, it is just the blower preference. Since every signature is unique to its blower, you can't really look at it and tell if it is fake or not. One of the signatures that has come upup on PLENTY of fake RooRs is the dots hugging the joint.

LOGOS First off I want to let everyone know that the color of the logo doesn't really have anything to do with it being fake or not. So don't worry about logo color when inspecting a RooR. The things that you need to look out for are the registered trademark symbols (®). You need to make sure that it is located on the bottom right part of the logo. Also make sure that the bottom of the R's is facing towards the left. On some of the fake RooRs you will see no trademarks sometimes, also you will see the logos flipped, and also you will see the trademark at the top of the logo. Also check the position of the logo and its size. If a logo looks way to big for the actual size of the pipe, then it most likely is. Make sure the logo also doesn't go past the ice catchers or covers up apercolator. If any of these is on a RooR it is a fake,no exceptions, no blower preference. Plan and simple the RooR is fake.

ICE PINCHES All RooRs have ONLY THREE ice pinches, not two, not four. So if you see a RooR that has four ice pinches, you right off the bat know that it is a fake and don't purchase it. . Also make sure that the ice pinches are to high on the piece. A lot of fake RooRs will have a huge gap between the ice pinches and top of the beaker, so make sure they look normal.

BEAKER BOTTOM / STRAIGHT TUBE BASE There really isn't a true way to tell just by look at the beaker unless it is completely unlike the real RooRs. RooR makes there lines and shapes very smooth, so look for anything like this.

When it comes to straight tubes make sure the base of them is not super thin and is also not stamped. It needs to be a smooth flowing base and doesn't look cheaply made.



Ithink I have covered the main things that are easy and pretty obvious giveaways for fake RooRs. But I have a couple more points to add that you should also consider when going into a head shop and looking at the RooRs.

- If you are going to get a percolated RooR, make sure it has a splash guard, if it doesn't then it is fake.

- Not all RooRs come with a diffused down stem, so if the RooR you are looking at doesn't have one, then don't assume its fake.

- Just because you got a box that says RooR on it, doesn't mean that it is legit. I have seen many people get their fake RooRs with a box, so they think its all legit. If they can make fake waterpipes, then they can easily make fake boxes.

- water pipes are some what heavy, so pick it up and if it feels like thin cheap glass then it most likely is. Use your instinct, and talk to the shopkeeper. Let him know that you are serious and don't want to be bullshitted.

Ihope that Ihave helped to educate everyone on what is fake and what is not. The point of this thread is for people to be able to not be fooled by scum head shop owners and take get what they want. It is so upsetting to see all these fake RooRs so hopefully people will read this thread before going into ahead shop so that they can spot the fake ones and stay away from them.

[Greymatter Glass]

https://www.facebook.com/phreshpicksdist

Hey Grey matter is this you?? J/K

Neighbors??

They're across town from me, never been to their warehouse - they own a couple local headhops as well.

It is the distributor I've mentioned previously in this thread. They have a decent distribution company. Also, HeadQuest is based in Albuquerque, they used to have the same owners as a large local chain of headshops, but they've since split the businesses. I'm sure they used to deal with PhreshPicks / MRC when they owned The Zone, and no doubt have a good working relationship - from what I know of PhreshPicks they have a pretty happy clientele.

FWIW, he buys a lot of local glass as well as import glass. I'm not 100% (like 90% tho) certain Blown is his brand, or if he's just a major distributor for the brand and someone else controls it.... I do know I've seen cases of the Blown tubes before they're branded, but I couldn't say what the country of origin is. Given the quality, I suspect they're imports.