Need help with oxycon and holding tanks

[Stratisphere]

Ok, i need some good ideas on what to do with my oxy system. I set up 2 hurricanes through a Thomas oilless pump into 2 60gal holding tanks after reading about numerous similar set-up on talkglass. This has only been running a max of 10 days. Basically I over the last couple of days I noticed my mag having a harder time getting the nice needle on the the inner fire. Yesterday I was giving a lesson on my mirage and within an hour the flame went completely to shit, spraying everywhere and pretty much sucked. I thought maybe oxy purity but there was plenty of oxy. So I tried the drain at the bottom of the tanks and sprayed about a liter (or quart) of super rusty water out of the bottom of the tanks.......I called up Unlimited Oxy to explain this and he was shocked and said that the sieve beds might now be damaged from water. When I bought the set up I asked if an air dryer was necessary and he said no, he now says yes. It is very humid and moist where I live... I let the tanks dry today and when I went to put the screws back in the drain at the bottom there is a fair bit of rusty crap falling out. The guy at the automotive shop I was talking to today says that the cleaning process (removing the oil from the tanks) I did is bad for the tanks and that I should be draining them daily or they will rust out really fast. So now I'm worried that my new hurricanes sieve beds might need replacing and that I might have clogged the jets on my new mag and my mirage....F%CK:bangHead:. Can anyone recommend a good moisture and particle filter that would suit this? Seems obvious to install this before the holding tanks but what about rust particles coming out of the tank? Another filter after the tanks? If the the rusty water messed up my torches any good way to clean shit out of a GTT without sending it in? Or if I do what are wait times like? I have a couple friends running 1 M-20 to Rix pump and 4 k tanks with no probs, always plenty of oxy for a couple people with big torches. They have no filters, do higher pressure tanks have a harder time condensing water inside? Feeling really bummed out having my system not keep up to my mag then doing this. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

[dustyg]

What a nightmare, man. Sounds like a dream set-up, if it worked as expected.

Not much help, but GTT ships triple mix torches an inline filter before the torch, so hopefully yours already has one. I think it's just small enough to filter anything that couldn't be blown out by running the oxy/propane wide open.

[Role]

First, get rid of the rusted out tanks.

It is damn near impossible for humidity, unless it is condensing, to ruin those sieves
in less than 2 weeks.

It sounds like something is radically wrong with your setup if your friend is running
an M-20 with no problems.

[LowTideGlass]

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Were the 60 gal holding tanks new? If not perhaps they already had some rusted sediment to begin with.

I would say to use that particle filter directly after coming from the holding tank. Usually the filters on the concentrators do a great job, but once that 02 is compressed and goes into the holding tank, there is much greater chance of there being various particles introduced. I would think that, as long as you keep the tanks filled at some pressure when you are done for the day, there would much less chance of condensation forming, since 02 is naturally "dry"

I would say either ditch the tanks all together, or clean then out thoroughly, get a particle filter on after the tanks, and maybe just keep the concentrators running for a good while to dry them out? ( maybe leave them running not hooked up to the tanks at first for a while)

Still on my first cup of coffee, so take my words with a grain of salt.

Good luck!

[Stratisphere]

Thanks for info everyone. The tanks are both brand new but there was a bit of a rusty color in the solvents that I used to clean the tanks with, though after a few cleanings it was coming out clean. Also I live right on the ocean and everything seems to rust really fast when it gets wet here. On my way to hunt for a moisture and particle filter and see if that helps.

[kq9ak]

It may help to use a dehunidifer were the oxycons are running, would work better in a smaller enclosed area. Just a thought because of the high humidty levels and this would prevent excese moisture in the seive beds.

[T-Rex]

I run my concentrators into a real rusty-ass 30gal holding tank. Rustier than your gramma's ******.

The hoses all come in and out the top though - and there is just no way the pressure or small amount of oxy-flow going through it is going to pick that shit up off the bottom.

What concerns me most about your setup is the compressor. You need a compressor with the proper in-take volume. This is an issue with most compressors as they draw way too much.

It's possible that your compressor is PULLING air through your machines so the purity is just way way way down. Try running the hurricanes right up to your torch to see if they still work fine that way. If so, then you need a different compressor.

The most common one people use on the forum is the Gast 1hab-100mx. With two hurricanes you have 30LPM (equiv. to 1.05 CFM) at 20 PSI. You can see from the chart on the gast website for the 1HAB-10-M100X that at 20 PSI it draws just over 1.0 cfm. Perfect for you.

Not sure what compressor you have but that could be the issue!

[Role]

I run my concentrators into a real rusty-ass 30gal holding tank. Rustier than your gramma's ******.

The hoses all come in and out the top though - and there is just no way the pressure or small amount of oxy-flow going through it is going to pick that shit up off the bottom.

What concerns me most about your setup is the compressor. You need a compressor with the proper in-take volume. This is an issue with most compressors as they draw way too much.

It's possible that your compressor is PULLING air through your machines so the purity is just way way way down. Try running the hurricanes right up to your torch to see if they still work fine that way. If so, then you need a different compressor.

The most common one people use on the forum is the Gast 1hab-100mx. With two hurricanes you have 30LPM (equiv. to 1.05 CFM) at 20 PSI. You can see from the chart on the gast website for the 1HAB-10-M100X that at 20 PSI it draws just over 1.0 cfm. Perfect for you.

Not sure what compressor you have but that could be the issue!

+1

This is good info.

I didn't think of the of the draw from the compressor.

If you hook up the hurricanes directly to the torch and
you are still getting crap then T-Rex is almost certainly
right and your compressor has drawn too much air for
the sieves to handle.

If the sieves are blown find out if the if they are the same
ones as the M-Series, you can replace them for about $80
each.