new glass for sale at www.dnrglass.com

[rockymountainhigh]

Hey there. I have some new glass for sale at my website www.dnrglass.com (http://www.dnrglass.com) My quality is much better than before. I hope you enjoy.

David

[PyroChixRock]

It's looking good, David. But still way too cheap.

[LTD]

WAY TOO CHEAP! Leave some room for the rest of us.
Very nice stuff. charge more ,work less

[buzz]

Man that is scary. Nice work 12 dollar braclet 8 dollar pendants. I thought the pipe market took a beaten. Raise those prices how can you even make a living seems like a fair price wholesale but retail double it and that is still a good price. I see that is wholesale you could still add couple of dollars .

[Sol]

somehow that pisses me off.....freakin bracelets for 10 bucks?????that sucks...

[WORLD FAMOUS]

Those are way too cheap. Take that as a compliment David. Nice work like that deserves more.

[Sol]

yeah..take it as a compliment cause thats what it is those items are worth at least anothe 4-6 dollars wholesale apiece for the pendants.....and the bracelets..if they are all of that quality and annealed right, should go for 18-25...im sure....

[JDeMoss]

I have to agree....way to cheap. I hope people don't start to expect glass work for that cheap. nice though

[Firekist]

mainly ditto ditto ditto..

so.. what gives? how ARE you getting these out at such cheap prices? are there any country of origin stickers that should be on these?

just curious.. and curious of the actual quality received on orders. if all the glassblowers buy up all his work.. we can keep the work at the prices they should be at ;)

z--seth

[Scott Pernicka]

12 dollar bracelets is nuts and the 8 dollar pendants? I dont understand?

[Scott Pernicka]

i would not even wholesale near twice that much, is india and china breaking in art glass too already?

[Sol]

you betcha they are....

[yinzer]

damn, those prices are crazy cheap!!! is that necessary? i wonder, did you get any buyers from this post??? damn damn damn. makin it hard for us newbs. so YOU make all that stuff, right??????

[Mr. Wonka]

I'd like to hear somebody say "That's way too cheap" the next time there's a sale on color.

If a supplier was selling an item (or items) and other companies urged them to charge more, they would be accused of price fixing, wouldn't they?

[Firekist]

sometimes people tell other people "that's too cheap" for the right reasons, other times for the wrong. without more details we really don't know either way. we do know he can probably get a lot more for those pieces, and we know that at those prices, there's no way a single artist studio would want to try and compete.. cause they wouldn't be making enough money to live the type of life most people want/need/whatever.

i don't know about you tom, but i don't have any idea how much it costs to produce color.. so hopefully the color companies sell the color at the price they need to so they're making enough money that they're well enough off, have health insurance, nest eggs, retirement money, research and development, safe work environments,.. etc. *(yeah, we can argue about how much is enough/too much)

and i love color sales.. but the prices go back up. technolux's deals are unbeleivablly cheap sometimes.. i don't understand those prices either. 5$ a lb? "wtf" was on my mind then, just as it is now.


i do have a better handle on what it takes to make pendants, as far as time materials and overhead go. i'm sure you do too... which is what makes me (and i'm guessing others) scratch their heads to figure out how he can be selling glass for so little... at least that's why i ask.


you might be devil advocating a bit tom, but i dunno. some of those pieces are so cheap it does make me wonder what the deal is, and how he can actually afford to have a business selling at such low prices. miniumum wage workers? imports? super cheap overhead? people that just bust their asses and work tons? it's gotta be something like that.. right? are production shops really THAT much more effiicent than single artist studios.. i guess so.

still curious.. still without answer.

z--seth

[Mr. Wonka]

Here's one way to look at it:

The cost of materials involved in a pendant is minimal, to say the least (pennies), and they don't take very long to make.

If you can make 8 pendants an hour (for instance) and get $20.00 each, that's $160.00 per hour... that's a helluva weekly salary.

If you sell them for $8.00 each, that's a measly $64.00 per hour. Take away something for materials, gas, electric, etc., and you would still make around $50.00 per hour.... maybe as low as $40.00. That's still not a bad wage by most people's standards.

$40.00 per hour x 40 hours a week is $1600.00- what other job can you find that pays that well... and have the luxury of making your own hours?

[Julian]

Tom, what missing in that equation is the cost in time and money of selling the product...
Making and maintaining a website, dealing with customers and suppliers via phone and email, shipping, packaging, listing on ebay,
or driving to stores or galleries, creating promotional materials, obtaining decent photography, all of these things can easily consume almost as much time as making the product. Or, you pay someone else significant money to do these things.
plus - pendants are not 'functional' People only buy pendants or vases or whatever if they suit certain aesthetic standards. Glassblowers will sell out of pipes, because even if it's totally ugly, a ppe might still be enjoyable for smoking, but if a pendant is totally ugly, or even the 'wrong' colors, its useless. It's much more likely that you will build a back stock of 'art' glass that is tough to sell than a backlog of pipes. Even for good product, constant sales are not guaranteed. There are major seasonal fluctuations.
So, do you make 72,000 dollars a year? By your calculations you should with no problem.

[Sol]

...yeah..i make 4 pendants an hour and sell em for 12 -15 apiece and i have NO BACKSTOCK!!!!everything i make usually goes ....to beadstores,at the flea,to the friends..gifts for family and loved ones....pendants ROCK!!!!

[Mr. Wonka]

Julian- I hear you about the cost of selling your products. My equation is nothing definitive, just some rough numbers. The only point I was trying to convey is that glass can be more profitable than a “real job” if you play your cards right.

Production work can pay the bills if you have the right products and the right markets… even with $8.00 (or even $5.00) pendants. I have an account that orders wholesale pendants from me (from $9 - $20.00 each), and I can fill a $200.00 order within several hours. I make them myself- no sweat shop, and no imports… it’s just me. I don’t… and never will… take for granted the fact that some people have to work several days (as opposed to several HOURS) for the same amount of money.

I’ve had “real jobs” before, and they suck. I consider myself very lucky that I don’t have to show up at a specific time and deal with bosses, co-workers, and “office politics” on a daily basis. If I have to lower my prices a few bucks here and there to compete with lower cost items, I’ll do it… as long as I get to keep working with glass and pay my bills.

Look at it this way- If someone is selling stuff so cheap… to the point that there’s no profit… then they won’t be around for too long. If they do have any longevity in this (or any other) business, then it proves that (whatever) item CAN sustain an income. Therefore, either 1) you’re getting paid more than you deserve for said product, or 2) your overhead is too high and you have to reevaluate how you run your business… or work harder / smarter than your competition. THAT’S what business boils down to.

Regarding the “double standard” I spoke about in my last post, I stand behind that statement 100%. If we (as glass workers) want to band together and keep prices up, then manufacturers and suppliers should be able to do the same thing. If they can’t do it, then neither can we- what’s fair is fair.

BTW- I’m not ignoring your question about my income; I just don’t want to discuss it on a public forum.

[steven p selchow]

I don't know so much about the jewelry line, I do sell my pendants for $24.00 retail with a leather cord.

The breakdown: I use 1/2 inch rod for them, I get 32 pendants from a rod, actual rod cost about $4.00

All are 1 to 1 1/4 inch diameter.
several patterns, average time per pendant 5 minutes.
Color cost per pendant about 15 cents, easy to figure out, about .44 cents actual cost in glass per pendant.

I use a multi-hole premix for these, huge oxy saver.
Propane per 32 pendants, gosh..40 cents if that.

every ones time is their discretion on hourly wage they think their worth.

I do agree $8.00 is to cheap...only compared to others, I'm working in the $235.00 per hr. range for pendants alone.

People tell me my sculptured glass is to cheap, glassblowers, the novice, and customers.
Beleive me, I've had years of experience and selling less pieces at a higher price doesn't equal selling more at a lower price.

I adjust my prices according to geography. I'd much rather sell a little (thats a little) more glass at a cheaper price, than sit on it for an undetermined amount of time at a higher price, I do sell more beleive me, I'm not undercutting any competition, and I make an adequite amount of money, everyones costs are different...when I hear of guys sucking down 3 "T" size tanks in a week, and I can make the same dollar amount or more using one T size every 2 weeks adjusting and changing my torches for the job, their one example alone.

I seen Jupiter's prices on his glass, and worth every penny...but he pays 10 times the cost as me making the same piece, another example, and also working styles, and other variables

Realistically, I want to be rich, reality, I live comfortably without having to rape anyone, If I didn't know how to make the stuff David did, I'd be buying from him, at my current prices for the same thing, thats a 200% mark-up, pretty good for an item thats hot at the moment. Yeah Wonka, beats working for the man any day.

steve

[yinzer]

I'd like to hear somebody say "That's way too cheap" the next time there's a sale on color.

If a supplier was selling an item (or items) and other companies urged them to charge more, they would be accused of price fixing, wouldn't they?

heh. lol. good point good point.