Implosion

[franklin sankar]

Is there a limit to how far up the colors can go? Is there a trick to make it extend further inside? I am getting like half up inside.
I am using the normal implosion ie not the tube kind.
Thanks for your hints.

Franklin

[zip]

howdee,
Not an expert but I suggest you play around with the angle of heating the glass like go from 45 degrees pointing down to a full 90 degrees vertical. Also how and when you compress the glass effects the interior glass movement. Also as I understand it compression is the tech for rods and implosion (a much cooler name) is the tech for tubes.

[menty666]

There is a limit, eventually they'll start to curve inwards which just weird.

Like Zip said, pay attention to the angle you're melting at, and when you do a press on the marver, go super gentle with it. It's possible to flatten out your design if you push too hard.

[Aymie]

I am the queen of flat implosions.

[LarryC]

how thick is the disk you are starting with, franklin?

[franklin sankar]

how thick is the disk you are starting with, franklin?

The disk was about 1.25 ins and he thickness was about .25 ins.
Trying to post pic. Sorry about the scrappy colors, I am just practicing with scrap stain glass and Fhc clear.
Thanks for all the replies. I am holding it up but maybe I am not working it enough. Is that a possibility.
Franklin

[ROGUE]

If you want the petals to be closer to the lens you have to start out with a much thinner disc. Instead of just pressing the gather to create a maria, create the maria and quickly use a masher and flatten the maria outward from the rod. So it will push the glasss out wider and thin the disc up at the same time. You have to be very accurate with this because if your final flattened maria is not round it will throw of the rest of te marble. So make sure you start out with a perfectly round disc. Then a suggestion I have is to use a tungsten poke to mark dead center in your disc. When the disc gets that large it's kinda tricky to find dead center.

This is what you are trying to achieve correct?
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[istandalone24/7]

if you want to really get an understanding of when/why/how a compression does what it does, do this:

take a small maria, maybe 3/4" diameter, and pretty thin less then 1/4". draw a circle in the center of the maria, about the size of a dime (doesnt matter what color you use for this) and melt it in. now implode it, but make no compressions on the marver. do this with two different marias....on one hold the punty/handle 90 degrees to your table (elbow up). on the other, hold the punty/handle parallel to the table (slight elbow down).

as the maria is imploding keep an eye on how the implosion develops. in the end, even if you do everything the same (save for the angle you implode at) you'll see two distinctly different looking results.

doing this has helped me get a better understanding of what is happening in the glass.

Role, you are a jerk but you were right.....i was adding way too much lens material to my flower mibs.

[franklin sankar]

Nice marble Rogue, thanks for the pic. Yes that is what i wanted.
Glass a holic , love the experiment.
Thanks. Hints much appreciated.
Franklin

[ROGUE]

Use the tips I posted to get the flower that deep. If you need some clarification I will do my best.

[LarryC]

the thinner the disk, the closer the petals will be to the front of the lens.

[coloringdan]

Another way is to start with more clear glass than you need, make your flower, then remove excess clear from the top.

[FredLight]

^ consider that an advanced step, the basics are what this guy needs.

I improved my rod compressions when I:

Only applied heat with the rod horizontal,

Didn't mash it down on the marver, used the elbow down instead at times, Too much mashing causes petals to point back around toward the base or flatten, (which I consider janky)

Stayed away from the center of the maria when applying color, leaving a quarter inch blank in the center,

Tried different sized rod for making the maria, like 12mm with a piece of 20mm as my work space.
You can make your maria thin by pressing it down and using a paddle on the topside while turning. This helped me SO much.


Also: try applying color to a pointed cone,or even a length
of rod, it doesn't have to be a maria, but that's also a little more advanced.

I hope it helps you or anyone reading this.

[franklin sankar]

Thanks for all the replies. Looks like thinner is better. It's the first time I heard about using a pointed cone. Anyone else used that trick. Sounds very strange. But I will leave it for later. Need to practice making the Maria as thin as possible.
Franklin

[Aymie]

I press my Maria, then set the punty on my Torch marver so the Maria is up against the side, and use my paddle to press it thin and flat.

[FredLight]

^ yes torch mounted marver works awesome for that. I still don't have one that fits my Phantom, just the leftover one from my cc.

Any tips on a conversion?

[FredLight]

OK, pointed cone:

Decorate pointed cone with dots, lines whatever... melt in completely, heat glass below the cone (the lens material) until the cone turns into a dome.

Mash that bitch into a maria, melt round again, be amazed.

It should take you 3 or 4 tries to get it, but once you do you'll find some designs are best suited for this tech.

[LooseSeal Baller]

i would look at the design for the phantom and copy that. probably use some sheet metal, some tin snips and screws
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[FredLight]

Oh, derp to me. Thank you.

[siteadreo]

try applying color to a pointed cone,or even a length

[FredLight]

^Why?

Is that your attempt at humor?

Try again.

[istandalone24/7]

thanks for the tip about using a cone shape....can't wait to try it!

[FredLight]

Also, don't be afraid to go the tube route.

There's a thread about 38 medium wall in here somewhere. I did two today, real nice for tube implosions.

Put a 4 inch piece on a blowtube and use the last 3 inches for the implosion. Make it look like a lightbulb, Thicken up the end a bit, decorate and recondense.

After you tear it off the tube, punty up the center with a 12 mm and implode some more.

[franklin sankar]

Thanks Fred. Most interesting. You are the only person who mentioned that pointed technique. But then I don't get out too much. Thanks for sharing it.
Franklin

[GGirl]

Yeah, I think I'm going to be a follower too and try a "cone"

[LarryC]

Thanks for all the replies. Looks like thinner is better.

Not better just different. The key in my opinion is to experiment and learn to control the result. Then put your own spin on it and make it your own.

[Kato]

Is there a trick to make it extend further inside? I am getting like half up inside.

Heh heh he he




Sorry, carry on.

[FredLight]

I started using the cone tech when imploding pre-made components to avoid trapping bubbles between murrine and canes.

Now I just use it whenever. Flowers can be easier in some cases, especially if you like 6 or more rows of petals.

Start at the edge, work your way towards the center, mash as little as possible throughout, and when you do, use a paddle on the outside edge only.

[FredLight]

Two cane-on-cone condensation/compression style.

uh, I guess pics will wait until I figure out how to delete stuff.

[hashmasta-kut]

try applying color to a pointed cone,or even a length


you missed the quotes, but took it from fred, so i am quoting you to balance it out.

[Captain Glass]

We know what it is...^^^

[istandalone24/7]

just so long as that "finger" of glass is clean. we hate stinky fingers. sticky fingers (and scissors) are ok with most of us.

[FredLight]

Ok, I posted these marbles I was going to show here on the Marble Collector's Page on Facebook.

Cane-on-cone condensation/compression tech.

[Captain Glass]

Don't see the pics Fred

[FredLight]

Yeah, I posted them, and then they were "bump-buried". I'm having a hard time finding them myself.

I guess if you're not "in" with the admins, shit falls off.

[funksizzle]

No, no sticky fingas. Cured fingas, just enough so that scissors aint sticky neither. 3 times a day for 2 minutes. Fine point purple scissors from joann, mudda furrer. Neva touchin da mudda furrin nuttin. Using scissors as fingas, with a fresh notecard or three. Converted the dot in the implosion to a dot-delta-banged ya friends mamma while he was in the shower. Andf I'll slap ya if I ever see ya for touchin the cones punk. You better be wearing cargos and gettin out ya car careful too, break the rules and get waterpipe whipped foo.

o wait,

cones hmmm....

Alright, enough waterpipe whippin people,

this threads got some good shit, tank yas. I'll git it a shot someday, but if bitches like my amber puple frit lenses better dan your implosions, it don't really matter.

[istandalone24/7]

what the fuck, even for a funk post that's a bit strange.