what makes an artist an artist [Archive] - The Melting Pot - Where All Glass Addicts Melt Together

J McGhee

03-10-2006, 05:02 PM

in my eyes an artist makes things that are out of the norm. willing to take chances to make something new. to be able to take something old and replace it with something that makes everyone want to do it.

what is a prodo worker someone who is always making what everyone else is making. never able to take it out of someones else's box.

i know its fun to make all these designs and change it in to your style of colors.
but think about what u do that is unique to u.

well thats my thought what is urs

please dont take this as an attack on anyone just starting to wonder about what makes a person an artist.

LTD

03-10-2006, 05:10 PM

My opinion.
Art is anything that makes you think.

Fire on the mountain

03-10-2006, 05:38 PM

I really think there is art in almost everything we do. When i really try to break down what art is, it seems like it is a task that is well done, but more importantly done poetically, metaphorically or with some meaning. That should define almost everything we do...Theres a Van Gogh quote i love that says something along the lines of 'every child is an artists, the problem is staying an artist as an adult.' You can find tons of symbolism and poetry in every singe piece of kids art, but its really true that some adults loose all connection with their imagination, which definitely is the best part of being a human. To be an artist, you need to feel that there is something so important going on in your head, that you must give it a physical manefestation...unfortunately that ego often inflates until it is more important than the work itself. I think the key to being an artists is to look at the world with the eyes of a child who is seeing everything for the first time, and to do everything around you thoughtfully and with quality as the first goal. Be serious about your work but realize that ultimately its not yours at al. as carl sagan said "to make an apple pie from scratch, first you need to create the universe.

I really think that being seriously entralled in making art will bring you the deepest sense of fulfillment and pleasure that we can feel as humans. I would take glass over sex any day. Theres a challenge and thrill in glass i havent found anywhere else...i have a feeling we get to experience the enveloping satisfaction of making art more than any other kind of artist or craftsperson too. Thems my thoughts on the matter, not that you all didnt know all that already.

Udai Hussien

03-10-2006, 05:50 PM

Dropping the "f"

phab

03-10-2006, 05:59 PM

...i looked up the word artist in a websters once and they defined it as anyone who does their work with passion. so i guess theres an artistic dishwasher or trench digger out there somewhere.

Din

03-10-2006, 06:39 PM

I hope that was a fartglasspipemakers joke Dwaine, because that joke never got old for me.

Udai Hussien

03-10-2006, 07:03 PM

Well, I am a big supporter, and background Propaghanda machine for http://unpopart.org .. And basically, Art is Fart without the F

Din

03-10-2006, 08:28 PM

I'm going to have a hard time getting over the radness that is Hitlet teapot.

Emmett's Glass

03-10-2006, 08:29 PM

http://www.donnymiller.com/howtobecomeanartist.html

~NattyMama~

03-10-2006, 09:25 PM

hmmmm...
I know that at the end of a day of doing prodo work, I don't feel any less of an artist than when I make sculpture all day.
However, when I work on my sculpture, I get such an incredible high. It feels so intense, and also very humbling. It's not at all like it came from something in my head... more like I became some kind of porthole of passage for this idea to come through from a different dimension.
I feel like whether I am an artist or not depends on my ability to channel that energy, and translate it so that others can experience it too. The only way to be able to do this is by knowing your medium. The only way to know your medium is by practicing techniques over and over.
So I guess that's why I feel the prodo stuff is an important part of being an artist too.

JDeMoss

03-10-2006, 11:04 PM

Micah Evans

03-10-2006, 11:12 PM

if you can draw a circle with an etch-a-sketch.......your a fucking artist.

J McGhee

03-10-2006, 11:17 PM

wow thats exactly how i feel demoss. its good to learn all these tech then put ur twist on them.

ive had hard time thinking im an artist when i do, as we call em techs
but when im making a marble or sculpting i feel pumped and really good about what im doing.

Micah Evans

03-10-2006, 11:36 PM

I agree in some ways....my only question is are those techniques you practice over and over again with prodo the techniques you use to express yourself artistically? by doing the same thing over and over again, are you then chained to those techniques as your only comfortable means of expression. I myself find prodo only really good for one thing, that is paying my bills so I can buy glass to fuck around with. 80 percent of my fine art ends up i failure or frustration. I constantly fail, why? because most of the time I am trying new things, making up shit as I go. Technique is great, but it is fucking fantastic if you use different techniques to show off a piece of art, not a piece of art to show off different techniques.... ... this is just my opinion and I am in no way trying to impose my theories on anybody else, there was a very pivitol moment in my career with glass when I was faced with those questions and it made me a happier person/artist having answered them.

you nailed the real answer J Mcghee, the real answer is feeling pumped about what you are doing, who gives a fuck what makes an artist an artist?

Kalera

03-10-2006, 11:38 PM

I really like what FOTM and Brooke had to say. For me personally, the simplest way I would define art is that to make it makes me feel something strong, something deep down. Anger or sorrow or love or joy or discomfort, or something complex that I can't figure out, let alone name.

And production is part of that, in that it helps me gain familiarity and finesse with my medium so that when the feelings well up and make my fingers twitch I can get them out where I want them.

A good writer doesn't write only brilliantly moving pieces, but if they don't practice and learn to express themselvess with their craft they will never write brilliantly moving pieces.

Sol

03-11-2006, 12:34 AM

theres some art in that avatar up there..lol...boing boing boing...if you make art. your an artist.

Batou

03-11-2006, 02:54 AM

careful sol, that is such a loaded statement.

Wonker

03-11-2006, 05:44 AM

When I was a kid, I practiced piano scales, day after day. I didn't feel like much of an artist....but one day....playing the piano was like typing.....the movement to make a sound was as automatic as typing is .... and I could simply go inside my head.....and what I heard there, i could make come out of the piano....practicing "techniques" is the link between the world and your head.....

glsgrl

03-11-2006, 06:12 AM

passion and determination....when I put my heart into a piece, I know its art....when I do something because I have to, its because I need to make money and my heart isn't into it...I don't feel like an artist then, but when I do it because I WANT to do it, I feel like I am truly and artist....

Micah Evans

03-11-2006, 06:56 AM

i think there is some confusion between practicing techniques and prodo....

Kalera, great point,but what if that writer had to write a review to a bad movie over and over again for years, would he gain inspiration or frustration?

And Wonker, I agree, but what if you just played chopstics your whole life and never really had a lesson?

I am just trying to encourage people to step way outside their comfort zone, I spent the first couple of years with glass dealing withlittle instruction and a lot of prodo and I would tell myself the same things about technique, which are true! It wasn't until I diversified my production, expanded technique, that I truly started to feeel more comfortable with my art.

this isn't a rant on technique is cheap, I believe the oposite, but how technique is used can be cheap. I think of different techniques as different colors on a pallette of expression. the more techniques/colors the more options of mixing techniques/colors and therefore a more direct path to expression.

I am at a point where prodo stifles my desire to blow glass, and that sucks. Its really frustrating sometimes knowing that I have to produce 300 units of whatever in a week before I can even think about doing what I want to, and by then I'm usually worn and have zero energy to invest in a large projects.

I just got a day job and am switching up my production lines and I hope it works!

this is an interesting discussion, keep it going!

~NattyMama~

03-11-2006, 07:20 AM

80 percent of my fine art ends up i failure or frustration. I constantly fail, why? because most of the time I am trying new things, making up shit as I go. Technique is great, but it is fucking fantastic if you use different techniques to show off a piece of art, not a piece of art to show off different techniques....

Many times I've attempted a piece that was beyond my skill as a glass artist, but if the idea just won't go away, and that's usually the case, I will take the time to master whatever tech it is I need to know, and try again... sometimes it takes years for me to complete a sculptural piece from conception to finished product.

Every time an attempt ends up in pieces on the floor, I learn something...something I wouldn't have known had I not tried something new. But knowledge only goes so far...it's then up to me to turn that knowledge into wisdom by taking the time to figure out where I went wrong, and how to do it right next time.

I like the piano analogy. I look forward to the day when my tools, techs, and materials are so familiar that they are second nature to me... when they become extensions of my hands and fingers, and are so much a part of me that my mind can clear and open itself to the infinite possibilities...

yinzer

03-11-2006, 07:21 AM

i think an artist is someone who creates with strong passion and and energy flow. somone who's body become occupied by an idea and they are that idea until it is made. i dont think prodo makes you any less of an artist. schooled painters and other artists spend year studying the techniques of their mediums, and use them repeatedly to assist them in developing a style. i view my babies as art. i created them, passionately, in a mental state in which their was nothing else on my mind but creating them (evenif it wasnt known,lol). and they are amazing and probably the only piece of finished work that iv done that i pat myself on the back for. but i did use a tech that everyone uses in making them....lol! no seriously though, the techniques of any medium are there for a reason. if you major in the fine arts in college...when you go to class, they do not just tell you ok, paint. whatever you want, how you want. no they tell you ok, were going to work with monochromatic color sheming or were gonna do contour lines today. to me, that is their "prodo" right? cept i see alot less art majors trying to sell theirs. but i dont know, if their was a market for it ,that they wouldnt

~NattyMama~

03-11-2006, 07:40 AM

i view my babies as art. i created them, passionately, in a mental state in which their was nothing else on my mind but creating them (evenif it wasnt known,lol). and they are amazing and probably the only piece of finished work that iv done that i pat myself on the back for. but i did use a tech that everyone uses in making them....lol!

This is great... the ultimate in creation! And it is a perfect way to show the true nature of creation, and the role of repetitive action leading to perfection... just think about how that egg made it's journey every month for years before it acheived fertilization...and how our uterus will shed itself with every moon cycle just to try again next time...this happens over and over again for years until the woman is ready ~mind,body,and spirit~ to be a vessel for this new creation. I feel that same way about my sculpture. (...and don't get all squirmy on me here, boyz!)

if you major in the fine arts in college...when you go to class, they do not just tell you ok, paint. whatever you want, how you want. no they tell you ok, were going to work with monochromatic color sheming or were gonna do contour lines today. to me, that is their "prodo" right?

I don't think that's their prodo... more like practicing techs. I think their prodo would be, say, drawing characatures of people in a mall or something like that.

somberbear

03-11-2006, 07:52 AM

see the problem is defintion... there is no true definition... that and what is important....

when i am an artist i am an artist i create things of beauty that convay my passion...

when i do prodo im a craftsman , to pay for my artist side i do prodo.. this doesnt take less skill or practice infact it takes more.... as a craftsman i try and create the best product i can.

Art itself is hard to define. but i know what i like.. i think alot of people view prodo is a bad thing... but really dont you take pride in it... its easy to be a starving artist. but its hard to be one with cash to do these extravagint ideas... if i couldnt do prodo i couldnt learn new things have new tools or i would have to be worrying about money more glass... prodo gives me a tool chest of tech practiced and hardent... prodo also gives me the time to think about what i want to do next... so i can get the best result i can outta my next project..

being a craftsman and being an artist are very close... and both are very respecitalble. i would worry more about what you create then what your title is...

you guys make some great stuff. i dont go "blah but hes not an artist" i go wow he makes great blank... get me.

peace
rob

Udai Hussien

03-11-2006, 08:17 AM

I'm going to have a hard time getting over the radness that is Hitlet teapot.

A lot of people look at it, and call it hate, all it is, is an artistic expression to cause a reaction. Postive or negative. they use unpopular mediums, Like Mysogmy, rape, child abuse, terror attacks, etc...

It's really cutting edge stuff, thats why I like it

Micah Evans

03-11-2006, 08:20 AM

great post rob! I think you nailed it.

Sorry of my posts were a little jaded. i have just been in a very anti-porduction mood lately. maybe it is just an anti- my production mood! I need to switch it up a bit, maybe then it won't drive me crazy.

Yinzer, you brought up a great point....
if you major in the fine arts in college...when you go to class, they do not just tell you ok, paint. whatever you want, how you want. no they tell you ok, were going to work with monochromatic color sheming or were gonna do contour lines today. to me, that is their "prodo" right?.

I think my prodo theory kind of flows with that.

when i started I had no formal training in glass except wrap and rake pipes and bubbs and an intro to inside out. In art school I got a wide aray of training in many painting, drawing and design techniques, and that was great because school was my "job". When I got out of school and started with glass I had little training but focused on the training I did have, which was pipe prodo and that was my job and I had to pay the bills. that left little time for really learning new techniques, sure I experimanted a lot but I always had to go right back to prodo to pay the bills. I guess that is the game we all play, the balance between prodo and experimentation. My first real series of stuff that I liked with my art glass delt with that very issue, check it out.....the cage series (http://www.glassartists.org/Gal12391_1.Cage_series.asp)

I don't know if it was succesful but it was an attempt! and tha made me feel pretty good. :contempla

I really don't think prodo is bad, only when it holds you back from what makes you truly happy! there was a time where prodo did make me happy, but it doesn't now, I'm sure someday it will again.....I think :stare:

~NattyMama~

03-11-2006, 08:44 AM

Yinzer, you brought up a great point.... .

I think my prodo theory kind of flows with that.

I think we need to distinguish making prodo from practicing techs... there is a difference.

Micah Evans

03-11-2006, 08:48 AM

somberbear

03-11-2006, 08:54 AM

Micah... great post...

and every one gets the prodo blues... i got them.. so developed something new... i do series of prodo...each focusing on something i want to improve.. be it a fume form series , or a color , or a spiral... i use my prodo time not to teach me a tech but to refine it... i love expermenting but i let it take into my prodo slowly... i also try not to get stuck into one... i have stuff but it ranges inside a series.. when i am sick of a series i drop it and sell off any back stock i have.

normaly it takes me some time.. becouse if its in demand its hard to stop it... alot of this is comon problems every one faces...

i try to think of it like this

i am a glass worker, an artist, a craftman, a bisness man etc etc... but at the end of the day i am just me and i have to deal with that.

you do great work i enjoy the cage series alot.

you just have to use your brain pounding out the prodo... let your mind give you ideas... its planning

like i said... prodo money lays down the base for all my new work... finanualy and skill wise... its not a bad thing its not a great thing but it is what it is. and at some point remeber that its just not about you. its about every one looking at it. and when they purchase even your prodo they are showing there respect.

peace
rob

broken glass

03-11-2006, 09:05 AM

Many words i didn't read most, because to me I don't give a F@#%^. about being an artist.

a line from my cousins band explains it best, "you are what people think you are"

Sometimes the illusion of bieng an artist can make you one. As long as you can convince someone else that you are an artist then you have become an artist in at least one persons eyes. And truth is relative, to who you talk to.

Micah Evans

03-11-2006, 09:13 AM

Rob, that was great. thanks for your opinion, you showed me a new way of aproaching things I never was able to really grasp before.

"you are what people think you are" interesting, I guess i never stopped to think about what people thoughI was......oh shit.....now what....

brettodie

03-11-2006, 09:21 AM

hmmm...... i create new prodo lines on a regular basis every few weeks if i can. the pieces that i add to my lines normally have something in them that i feel i need to learn and get better at. i feel that all my prodo is practice towards the day when i can truely control my medium to the point where i can spontaniously create. as far as what makes an artist,i feel that its intent.if you intend to create a work of art thats all you need to achieve the status of artist. will i always agree what you do is art?probably not.at one time in america the peak of the art world was landscapes of the new frontier and portraits. people think those things are cheesy and a "lower" form now then they used to. does that make them less a work of art? intention and perception these are the tools you have to work with and you can only control your intentions not others perceptions of what art is. i dont consider myself an artist at this point in my life im a craftsman working towards the goal of being the best i can with my medium of choice. 10yrs in and closing,peace brett

Micah Evans

03-11-2006, 09:39 AM

thanks brett, well stated.

IrieGuy05

03-11-2006, 09:42 AM

The thing that guy said about you are what people think you are is so true, everytime I meet someone who sees my peices, even if its just a $10 i/o spoon, says I'm an artist. When I hear that I almost think yeah right whatever it is their seeing is a peice of crap and something I made in 20 min, but I feel good about someone calling me an artist.

I'm a total technique whore too, when I started I tried to learn every teachnique before I went about refining my shaping. I'd chat with people on the forum who had been blowing for 5-8 years and tell them I just tried a ratty or a honeycomb and they would tell me they had just started doing those after that long and I'd be blown away that they hadn't done it before. I've known people who have only made a couple bubs even after 3-5 years of blowing glass, that just blows my mind that people could work that long and not make some bubs for people.. I guess what I'm saying is all those techniques make it more varied and interesting.. even tho the people who waited so long to try everything probobly got better results and got techs down quicker, I figure out new tech a lot faster now than when I started..

I don't know what all this has got to do with art but I thought I would defend technique for once, I think the guy who said technique is cheap is a little harsh and maybe even short sighted.. I mean they prolly didn't have drop-in's and dichro and all that cool shit back then.. hehehe j/k!

somberbear

03-11-2006, 09:43 AM

you gotta pay the cost to be the boss.

Micah Evans

03-11-2006, 09:54 AM

technique is most definately not cheap, you pay the price of time and effort to achieve good technique and its worth every penny. I hope I didn't come across as a technique basher, my point is using technique for the right reasons. too many people make a piece to show off their grasp of technique insted of using technique to show off their grasp of the piece they are trying to create. It is a challenge to put aside technique for the sake of what you are really trying to create.

I am a total technique junky, In a sence I am a collector of fine technique. I don't feel the need to use every technique for every project, but I have them if I need them.

Pakoh

03-11-2006, 10:30 AM

nickglassdood

03-11-2006, 10:35 AM

i was pretty baked, but stanki and the art dept kids use to talk about this alot at salem, im pretty sure art was concept, idea, and meaning, i think its too much of burden to make art, i stick to craft i just wanna make cool stuff

Micah Evans

03-11-2006, 10:57 AM

is your piece an object or a subject?

fuck yeah, thats the ticket right there.

Kool

03-11-2006, 12:00 PM

Art comes from your soul. Craft can have soul in it, but your soul is not the source. I do both all the time. And yes, prodo can come from the soul.

Kool

yinzer

03-11-2006, 12:39 PM

"when you go to class, they do not just tell you ok, paint"

huh... thats funny... i went to art school for painting, and when we went to class, they just told us to paint....whatever we want... and it was a well known presitgious art school too...

the differance between Art and craft... CONTENT. ( i hate to qoute crayven moorhead but i think he is right about that.)

i think michah is right on about using techs to get a point across rather than using a piece to show off your techs... is your piece an object or a subject?

Dada art from the early 1900's made the artists question the materials they use and the purpose of an object.

i was basing my statement on my own personal art classes and those of others i know. i was never told to just paint, or draw. for example, my current calss is a drawing class. we have models every class. our instructor does not just say, draw this guy. she says ok...first were gonna do 20 2 min sketches, which will be contour and cross contour line sketches. then , we will do 5 5min poses in which we will focus on srtuctural sketching. then 2 10 min sketches in which i really want you to get the perspective in, then we will do 2 20 min poses in which i would like you to use all 3 techniques we used earlier to develor your own style more.im not saying they dont tell you to paint whatever you want, but they do tell you to try to use certain techniques. i am glad they dont just tell me to just do whatever i want, i would not want to pay for that. i am more of a please critique my work kinda person. i am not a glass artist, however, i am a student and i will be for many many years just as i have been an art student for like 10 years. i feel i will know when i cross the line between student and artist and i have not yet.

Udai Hussien

03-11-2006, 12:44 PM

Urine comes from your bladder

Kool

03-11-2006, 01:02 PM

Urine comes from your bladder

How profound...and if it didn't---it wouldn't be urine!

Pakoh

03-11-2006, 02:18 PM

some people need to be told what to do. others don't.

you say: " i am glad they don't just tell me to just do whatever i want, i would not want to pay for that. i am more of a please critique my work kinda person"

so what your saying is work cant be critiqued if you werent told what to do??? and what technique to use????

i found my instructors very versatile to be able to discuss what pertains to each individual person. not everyone is not going for the same thing. some people don't care at all about drawing the figure... i don't feel it is a prerequisite for being an "artist"..

Not everyone needs to be trained formally either. some one can take art classes for 20 years and not be as good as another who just has the natural ability and never took a single class....

one of my peers from school once said- "an artist is always an artist, and always a student"

peace*

yinzer

03-11-2006, 03:53 PM

no i was not saying that. i was pretty much saying what you just said. i personally needed the instruction and would not have paid someone to just let me do what i want. you obviously did not. i do not feel there is a prerequisite either, only that i will no when i cross the student/artist line in this medium (glass) i dont feel i will for many many years. i was however saying that i dont think prodo is necessarily bad or makes you less of an artist because it can be exactly what some people need do develop and bring out their abilities.
this is what i was talking about in my art classes. although my instructor did make us all draw the figure, which not everyone cares about (very true), she did it for a reason. she did it because she feels that the people in my class who didnt want to felt that way because they werent comfortable with it and she felt, that as art students in a drawing class, that none of them should be held back because of fear. it was britlliant to me. and it did amazing things for some people. and it wasnt about who could do it the most realistic, it was about develping your style. not everyone had to be the same, everyone just had to figure out how they could do, what worked for them.

yinzer

03-11-2006, 04:02 PM

one of my peers from school once said- "an artist is always an artist, and always a student"

peace*

that is a wonderful line.maybe i find it hard to explain myself because i see it as an art and a craft. i have seen your work and i think it is great. i consider you a glass artist along with many others. not meaning you are not a student, but that you are both. i am very new to this medium. i feel i am learning to much and have to much to learn to put my own heart into it with most things. with pendants i can do very nice things. but with anything hollow, or anything else for that matter, im just trying not to collapse it first. when i get that down then i can practice techniques and develop my own style thus bringing me closer (in my eyes) to making art. i think that is where my difference in opinion comes in this post. most of you have done this for years. i have not even done this for one year and take things very very slow.i will make the same thing over and over in clear until i feel i can do it well enough to use any kind of technique...dig?

schmoinkel

03-11-2006, 05:24 PM

I hate being called a artist. People through that term around way to loosly. To me a true artist is an artist in every aspect of there life, not just the stuff they produce. I like what broken glass had to say. It's just a lable that others put on you.

Kalera

03-11-2006, 06:29 PM

An artist is someone who makes art. Even bad art. It's not an expression of prestige, it's just a noun like banker. Is a true banker someone who is a banker in every aspect of their life?

If, for your living, you make something that which has the primary function of being looked at, read, or listened to for aesthetic enjoyment, you are an artist. It's not a value judgement. Just a statement of fact.

The line is really blurred with functional pieces and, for beadmakers, with production work that is sold as a commodity. Now we have the problem of defining art.

Successfully define art in a way everyone can agree on, and we will have a starting point for defining love, God, and everything.

Chris Juedemann

03-11-2006, 06:30 PM

I think everyone in these art threads should also post a pic of their glass.

Chris

Kalera

03-11-2006, 06:32 PM

I think everyone in these art threads should also post a pic of their glass.

Chris

What do you feel would be proved or accomplished with that? I am just curious. Besides purtying up the place.

yinzer

03-11-2006, 06:33 PM

Kalera

03-11-2006, 06:44 PM

LOL thanks THP18! :tongue2:

belz19

03-11-2006, 08:39 PM

to me an artist is someone who wears clean underwear *smiles*

gotglass?

03-12-2006, 06:07 AM

Belz.... is the clean underwear the canvas for the Rorshach Art of Poo ?

slinger

03-12-2006, 11:04 AM

ahh the ancient question!

what makes an artist an artist?

well cmon guys this one was figured out centuries ago.

an artist makes an artist an artist.

JDeMoss

03-12-2006, 11:19 AM

I think the 1st, 9th, 14th, 18th, 19th and 20th letters of the alphabet make "an artist"

but I could be wrong

Kalera

03-12-2006, 02:05 PM

yup, exactly. There was a comment earlier that kind of tied the two together, they are seperate but overlaping.

looking back , I think I have thouroughly confused the nature of this thread! sorry, it is still an interesting discussion.

I think that may have been me, and I didn't express what I was trying to say very well.. what I meant to convey was that for an artist, production is usually not only a way to support their art, but also a means of perfecting techniques that they can incorporate into their art. As the artist's skills improve, their production work improves, and it all feeds into their art. Ultimately they may get to a point where they can live exlusively off of creative, artistic pieces, but even when artists get to that point, a lot of them continue making production pieces because it keeps their skillset flowing and moving.

chayes

03-12-2006, 04:24 PM

Pretty sure this guy is an artist. http://www.virtualdali.com/

NOFO

03-13-2006, 05:27 AM

I lived in SOHO NY for 15 years, there is nothing but art studios and artists living there ( at least in the late 80's there were), some of it, to me, was junk......some of it was real nice, but it was all art........do not get tied up with the big what is art ? question.......if you see something and like it for whatever reason.....if it touches something inside you and makes you want to look at it and maybe own it .....then it is art !!!!! Art is a very personal thing and for someone to say what is and what is not art is just stupid !!!! If a person say's something is not art , then they are trying to define something that can not be defined.....everything has the potential to be art.......Take Andy Warhol, a artist who used stacked soup cans ....used stacked soap boxs.....what is more production line than campbells soup cans?? What I have found over the years is anyone who claims they know what is art and what is not art is full of themselvs, anyone who is fucking dumb enough to claim something is not art is missing the point of art entirely. It's like someone telling you your favorite color can't be green because green is not the best color to choose....it is all personal preference. So anyone out there who is feeling down because someone say's what they do is not art, remember this when Van Gogh died he was considered a hack !!!!! If history proves anything, it's that people know nothing.....so just be true to yourself,and let the critics whine all they want to.

beav_is_4

03-13-2006, 11:35 AM

Well In my opinion an artist is an arrogant egotistical prick. When someone asks, are you the artist that made this, I always try to say "I'm the person that made that,but I'm a craftsman not an artist".

Jason remember, arrogants and ignorance go hand in hand.

You are what you do!
If you make art, this should be the definition. Good or bad.

Remember this is my opinion.

MileHiMama

03-13-2006, 12:24 PM

I'm glad that art and COMMENTS are in the eye of the beholder!!!

Micah Evans

03-13-2006, 12:43 PM

just thought I would show where this thread came from, its come a long way and maybe it has steered a little off track!

in my eyes an artist makes things that are out of the norm. willing to take chances to make something new. to be able to take something old and replace it with something that makes everyone want to do it.

what is a prodo worker someone who is always making what everyone else is making. never able to take it out of someones else's box.

i know its fun to make all these designs and change it in to your style of colors.
but think about what u do that is unique to u.

well thats my thought what is urs

please dont take this as an attack on anyone just starting to wonder about what makes a person an artist.
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