Us Trading glass

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Who's got a number for Adam. I can't find a phone number on their website.

[IrieGuy05]

That stuff devits like a mofo, if its for w/r spoons or other real simple prodo go for it, but it devits hardcore if you try to stack reballs encased with it or any other demanding application.

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Still waiting for his number lol....

[PyroChixRock]

I still haven't seen any devit problems, and I've done quite a bit of dif techs on it so far...ratties, reversals, dot box, marbles, sleeving, stick stacks...

I'm sure adam will come round and drop his number.

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You don't have his number Misha?

[B.C. Creations]

no devit issues here either. maybe its something your doing and not the glass? ive used it for alot of shit so far and no issues as of yet.

sorry no number for you skip

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lol

OK well I have it now thanks

[Groundjoints.com]

Its 215-464-USTG. The only advice I can give you if you are having devitrification problems is try to work it in a softer flame.


Thanks

Adam

[IrieGuy05]

Yeah its ok for the price, but simax dosen't devit on me in the same applications. I'd rather not have to worry about working softer or slower. Other people at my shop noticed this too, their still using it but not for reballs and things, just prodo.

[chayes]

I'm pretty happy with the ust glass i got. And for the price it kicks ass.

[shelton13]

People forever invent reasons to second guess a good deal. UST is good chit. Varies in thicknes slightly. Unless it is being worked on a lathe it is fine. Especially for the price. Open your minds.

[IrieGuy05]

BULL, I've used the 12.2 hw for handles and even in like a 12 in peice I can feel how its bowed and uneven, thats not good. I bet if you tried to put one of the big tubes in a lathe it would bounce all over so nasty. I wish dude still sold eigenschaft cause this stuff really sucks. I can't beleive no one else here had any problems with it.

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Chuck how much of this glass did you use>??????

I've only used a case of 22 so far for prodo. It worked perfectly fine for that.

[IrieGuy05]

I used 44 x 4 and 50 x 5, they both devited a lot easier than simax when melting in i/o spoons, to their credit sometimes the devit did go away when it cooled but not always. It just seems to have a lower resistence to deviting compared to simax. And simax 9 and 12 hw tubes are perfectly straight, same with the bigger sizes of simax.

I can see how the 22 and 25 hw would be ok for surface work since you wouldn't see the devit under the fume work and color.

I may push the glass a bit but I have a Herbie and that should be smooth, never had these problems with Simax, Kimble, Eigenschaft or Schot Duran.

[jiminyrootkit]

i dunno man, i haven't used much of it yet, just 38x4, but i don't recall having any trouble with devit doin i/o on it. i like what i've seen, so far.
i'll try a stickstack with it tomorrow and see how it holds up to reballs.
-f

[shelton13]

Seriously........... Maybe it is you. No offense but I've used several sizes of tube and solid rod.
Not one problem. Might not be perfect for a lathe, you may have to paddle your work on a lathe more than you'd like but not the end of the world. Still would be a better deal. Half price or paddle a little bit. Hmmmmmmmmmm. **james**

[smutboy420]

I guess if your time is not worth any thing spending hours apon hours total time fighting glass rather then making glass, Then sure its a real bargin. If your time is not worth any thing at all that is.

If You want to come to my shop and straighten up all my tubes and do all that extra paddling while its in the lathe. ( if you can even get it to chuck up right.) I'll gladly give you the $100 I saved.
Cause the case I have is only good for pcs we make for an importer and for less $ then other stuff of higher quality. So we basicly banged our selves 2x's for tring to save some $ up front.
#1 it takes a lot longer to get a pcs finished =$ lost. #2 higher reject rate or pcs that never even make it to the finish and end up in the scrap can = more $ lost. #3 you have to charge less for finished pcs that are not perfect again = more $ lost.
To me saving $100 just to have to work harder in the long run to make $400 less in the end is NOT any kind of a savings at all. Whats so ever.

I'm still not going to give up on the ust glass and I will try it again down the road. But right now its just not for me. esp on big tube. smaller stuff it would not be as big of a problem. And adam is a great guy so I would like to try it again when the time is right and for stuff that don't need to be of simax quality.

[broken glass]

I origionally posted that it does devit more than kimble, I was stick stacking and reversing, with many twists, and three reversals reversed and had some devit probs. I used salt, and didn't loose one piece due to the devit. I think that I use a lot more heat when i stick stacck, or atleast when i do it into 50x5, or maby i was not used to my delta? Anaways, since then i have been doing shit loads of tube incasements, blowouts, and reversals stacked, blah blah, not thinking about the glass and not haveing problems. It does like a softer flame. The 50x5 is a little off MINUTE amounts that would only be noticed on a lathe or if doing goblets, however, I have not remembered having any air lines inthe 3 or 4 cases of 50x5 i have gone through, the 32x4 was very good the first case, but the last two, have had random scratching, and random air lines. NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT NOT WORTH BUYING AT THE CHEAP PRICE. But, I would like to see it improve --also the goal of Adam and Ust trading glass.

[IrieGuy05]

Maybe hes got some eigenschaft laying around somewhere...

Oh yeah I noticed another thing about this glass tonight, its more prone to blowing up on reheats, the 10 and 7 mil rod and the 12 hw blowtubes.

[B.C. Creations]

i bench cool my 50 by 5 and then just go str8 to the outter flame on my mirage and never had blow up problems. i will say there is some wall thickness issues that ive noticed but nothing major.

[Fire on the mountain]

ive used rod and tubes of all sizes and the only thing i have noticed is that it melts faster (not a problem but definitely something to get used to) and a line that appears when you fume it outside. I think its kind of cool to embelish that line and ive even wigged it to make it look intentional. With the discount we all get on the boards i couldnt imagine thinking poorly of this glass. Its not the best, but for the price its way better than id expect.

[LTD]

ok,ok send me some and I'll test it...just joshin'.........

[slinger]

ive definitely had it blow up a bunch, especially if i heat up the end where its rough, if i dont put an end in the kiln first it will blow up, no matter how gently i heat it in the backfire of my flame (50 x 5)... its better than lots of other chineese glass, but its definitely not as nice as Schott and Simax. I havent had too many problems with devit, but the glass stays hotter longer, so that can maybe play a part, ive seen devit happen easier with kimble and pyrex, i d say this glass can get overworked faster, but its definitely workable... i like it for prodo if i cover the whole thing with a thick layer of colour then rod encase that, i dont really notice too much difference in how the glass works, but not being totally even is a big deal to me, some of you shrug it off, but it takes that much more effort to blow an even bubble, and thats a bit annoying, cuz i often just like workin clear glass..... i guess since my case had a bunch of broken tubes the glass dust all over the tubes didnt help..... but i like Adam and i think he does good business, so im gonna have to try more UST before i form too much of an opinion.....

[brettodie]

ive used a case or so of the 44 hvy. its ok the wall thickness is uneven so points and bubbles pull/blow out uneven but its not to hard to work around. ill continue to use it for tube pulls ect. peace brett

[Kalera]

Shoulda left that post, it's kind of nice when people red-flag themselves...

[jiminyrootkit]

Shoulda left that post, it's kind of nice when people red-flag themselves...
awww.....dammit!
i missed one?
gotta be quicker than the mods to have any fun around here ;)
-f

[GlassAce]

Yeah whats up with the censorship? Isn't grrl entitled to her opinion?

[slinger]

i think shes entitled to her opinion as long as she states it in a mature way

[Julian]

Sure, she's entitled to her opinion when she doesn't interlace it with anti-semitism.

[shelton13]

Hey I resemble that REMARK! hahaha

[LTD]

What the hell did I miss...sumthin juicy got pulled?

[chuckworks]

yeah it was pretty funny

[LTD]

well pm me the details I am a gossip whore

[Kalera]

Sure, she's entitled to her opinion when she doesn't interlace it with anti-semitism.


I wasn't totally sure if that was anti-Semitism or anti-Mormonism.

Either way, it was a hell of a strange comment.

[Bonz manifest]

Seriously........... Maybe it is you. No offense but I've used several sizes of tube and solid rod.
Not one problem. Might not be perfect for a lathe, you may have to paddle your work on a lathe more than you'd like but not the end of the world. Still would be a better deal. Half price or paddle a little bit. Hmmmmmmmmmm. **james**
dude, you dont seem to understand how a lathe works..., if the tubing is UNEVEN THIKNESS you cant just PADDLE it .What do you think happens when you try to blow a large ball in a tube w/ uneven spots, or how about flaring a foot,. -you can not flare an EVEN foot from UNEVEN tubing. They come out wack EVERY time. so no, it's not the end of the world, but if you cant use it, half the price is not a better deal..... if you CAN use it,....buy it, it's a great deal, and adam is good people. i'm sure there are a million uses for this tubing.

[BlueDevil]

I've used 3 sizes now and i don't like any of them. expolding tubes, cracked tubes, busted ends, and uneven as I have ever seen. I'll stick with Simax or Schott. The price is killer but not worth the headache to me...

my opinion only,

Lee

[shelton13]

wow

[IrieGuy05]

Word up Lee and Slinger... this glass is shitty. Might as well spend the extra loot and get nice glass you don't have to work around. Simax isn't that much more expensive, and all that devit is such a fucking pain.

[J McGhee]

ihad some problems with the 12.7 but havent had any since ive done stick stacks marbles and a line of other tech including big as canes. havent had any problems no devits.
its no perfectly round so goblets are out. but for prodo u cant beat it. i gave lee some to work with and several others. lee is the only one that has seid anything bad about it.
if i was a prodo worker id buy this stuff up. its help to compete with oversea's and the flood of undercutters in the markets. which seems to be a problem around washington. ive worked most sizes 38 32 12.7 tube and rod and more then one stick. it took several tubes to get hte hang of the low heat. over all it great prodo stuff.

[Arcane Glass]

I've used the 8, 10, and 12mm Rod, 26x2.8, 26x4, 32x2.8 and I have others to try but it is like any other glass I have used, I had to get use to it. Simax when I first used it bubbled, boiled and cracked until I figured out how to use it correctly. This was just the same for me, I just needed to play with it a bit. Just like the Simax and Kimball, some rods here and there had streaks in it, no biggy, use it as a backer for a marble your going to cover with color. I don't do goblets yet so I can't say how it will work for that, but for what I do its been perfect. Clear as day when I use it with no devits. To each his own I guess, but I love it so far and will be getting more from UST in the future. Sorry to hear that others have had a bad experience with it, but its has been worth it to me to get and play with.

-James

[medicatedMELTDOWN]

I simply wonder why Adam hasn't acknowledged that some people are having problems....all I have heard is that we are working it wrong or need to learn how to work it differently. I'm not trying to get Adam to talk badly about his products because no one thats trying to make money would want to do that.....but it is obvious that SOME people have noticed things about the glass that make it less than perfect. It just seems like he should admit that some customers have had an issue with the glass. and if he told us that the problems would be fixed in the future then I am sure many more of us would be repeat buyers.

until then I will just use simax or kimble :D

[timinny420]

great prodo glass - if your doing such nice things that your overworking it and getting divit you should be using schott or similar - but for prodo how are you going to complain?? and i never have it shatter on me in the flame - great glass for the price - i hope the quality does improve but i hope i get a white that wont boil as well - but i still use white - whatever

[Satori]

I have used 50x5, 51x2 and 12.7x2.4 tube. I did notice a couple lines in the 51x2, but nothing major that caused me any problems. I had a couple pieces I made on the 51x2 that had some devit, but I figured out it was because I used too oxidizing of a flame. When I switched to a more neutral flame, I no longer had any devit problems.

I think this glass is great. It does take a bit of getting used to, but you can't beat it for the price! Now, I don't make goblets yet, so I can't say anything about that. But I will say that people who think this glass is worthless just aren't using it for the right applications. Maybe it isn't good for goblets. Don't make goblets with it. But to say it's worthless or useless is just ignorance. It has plenty of uses and Adam seems to be doing his best to please us.

When I got my case of 51x2, the shipping company had beat the shit out of the box. There was a gaping hole that had been punched through both the outer and the inner boxes. 8 of the 16 tubes were broken in some way or another. Most of the breakage was on the ends, though a couple were broken pretty short. I called Adam and he made sure to ship out another box of 9 replacement tubes (one extra incase any of them broke.) He didn't charge me until I was satisfied and he made every effort to fix the situation. For this I commend him! I will definitely buy more UST in the future.

Overall, UST rocks in my opinion. It's not perfect, but it's definitely worth the price!

[Groundjoints.com]

I'll step up. I've been watching this whole thread unfold for the past few days. I do not tote UST Glass as the be all end of glass products. I simply am offering a lesser expensive option as an artists choice for raw materials. To some people, the cost of the raw materials is inconsequential, especially when you are talking about a piece of artwork that could fetch hundreds of dollars and the clear portion makes up just a tiny part of the raw materials cost. I've talked to people that can't stand Simax. I've talked to people that thought Eigenschaft was much better then Simax. I've talked to people that love my glass, I've talked to people who have told me that my glass doesn't work for their applications.
The one thing I can say for sure is that everyone I've talked to works differently. You all do different things, have different styles, different torches, use different colors. If you do not like UST Glass, don't use it. If you have had problems with it, feel free to express these problems. Call me and talk about the problems. Or ask for your money back, since the glass has a money back guarantee. I haven't had one person call me asking for their money back. Everything shipped that has been broken (you cannot understand the frustration and angst associated with dealing with these shipping companies unless you ship metric tons of fragile material all over the country daily) has been replaced, no questions asked. In a rush at our expense if the breakage would result in someone's loss of productivity. I have done no wrong by anyone on this board.
I know that some people have had problems with our product. To say that the product has problems is a little tougher because of the number of satisfied customers I have that reorder monthly, hundreds of cases.
Below is a list of all of the problems that people have expressed with UST Glass.

1. The glass devits when you overwork it
2. The glass explodes when you put it in the flame not kilned or preheated
3. The glass has lines that become evident when you apply outside fuming to the tubes
4. The glass is not round
5. The glass is not straight
6. The glass was broken in shipping

If you have experienced any of these problems, and they have rendered the glass unusable for your,feel free to use another brand of glass. I haven't forced my product on anyone, the only thing I feel that I am guilty of is offering people another choice. In a marketplace that has quickly become inundated with imported product where artists are struggling to stay competitively priced, I feel that people are entitled to a choice. When I was at the CHAMPS show in Las Vegas I saw some pendants that were made in Thailand. Before I saw them I was anticipating seeing a load of crap, with poor quality and elemtary techniques. What I saw were beautiful reversal pendants, uranium glass, filigrinia and latachino. On leather necklaces. For $1.50. At that point in time I got a sick feeling in my stomach and really felt bad for American glass artists. Someone went over there and sold all our tricks. Sold out. Pretty colors too. This is where your freedom of choice is most important.
One of my clients who is also a member of this board said something to me the other day that stuck with me. He said, " Being an artist is about problem solving." I totally agree. If you become more inclined to try new things because you are paying half as much for raw materials ( I do believe the retail cost for Simax 50x5 is around $4.50 a lb), then that is an excellent opportunity by me.

If anyone has any other questions about our glass or would be interested in samples so that they could form their own opinion, feel free to pm or call me. Remember to mention The GLDG because you guys and gals pay at least .50 a lb less then the rest of the world for the glass. We are currently getting ready to add 8 new sizes of tubing and rod to our line, we will have colored tubing, 6 colors 5 sizes in just over a month. Ask me about quality American made color. Ask me about scientific glass fittings. Ask me if you need anything glass related. Just don't ask me to go to Temple and pray for the sins in the glass business I have committed. It's funny, the woman glassgrrrrrrrrrl was a client of a client of mine. I was asked to do a favor and get them glass pronto. I network people from this board together with suppliers, customers etc.. all of the time. Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't. That's just one of the many things I love about the glass business.

Funny this thread just started with someone looking for my phone number to order. Now it's 2am on a Sunday 2 weeks later, and I'm sitting at my kitchen table looking for something else to say. I'll be at the glass craft and bead expo in Las Vegas next weekend. If any of you will be attending and would like to talk in person, I'd love to.

Thanks for all of your comments.

Adam
UST Glass

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Adam has my vote for one of the most professional people on this board wether you like his products or not. He is definately not twisting anyones arm here. nicely said.

[Kalera]

I'm pretty impressed by his handling of this situation. He's a graceful, professional guy and it's left a good feeling for me about the way he does business.

[mistahead]

HEY!!! I WANT CHEAP GLASS!! yea nicely put adam... and not buying the ust glass has been my desicion up to this point because of the issues that have been brought to attention, now with that being said i am hoping things will get better and you will still be able to offer us this killer price. but what exactly is being done to make it "better" if that is the goal like what exactly is going to change? what is going to be done different that already wasnt done right in the first place?? and when can we expect to see these changes and a consistant product? i know with any new buisness that there are problems in the start.so there for ive been hesitant to get some ust glass for myself to try..i hope things work out for you adam best of luck!!!! and let us know when things get ironed out if that if that is the plan?
Thanks
Randy

[smutboy420]

It just seems like he should admit that some customers have had an issue with the glass. and if he told us that the problems would be fixed in the future then I am sure many more of us would be repeat buyers

Well I can say I know adam has said its not the end all be all best glass out there. And has a $ back policy if some on don't like it and wants to return it. For me it was not bad enought to return cause its useable for some stuff so it has a use. I just can't go grabing a pcs of it for every thing tho.

to me its all correctable So I'm counting on it just betting better down the road. I just hope enought pepole can use it to keep it going. So it can get to the point of being better tube. I only find the uneven wall to be a problem.
from what I'm hearing from every one using it is it seems limited to the bigger size tubes. And I'll be glad to try it out again in the future.

[shakedownlenny]

nicely said adam can't wait to try your glass in canada.

[Satori]

Adam has my vote for one of the most professional people on this board wether you like his products or not. He is definately not twisting anyones arm here. nicely said.


I'm pretty impressed by his handling of this situation. He's a graceful, professional guy and it's left a good feeling for me about the way he does business.

Couldn't say it better myself!

[shelton13]

Adam has Always Represented himself and his products as honestly as possible in a cut-throat capitalistic enviroment. Of course if you pay less than half for something common sense tells you something MAY be lacking. Marketing maybe? or how about corporate profit? or in this case all of the above. So the quality lacks slightly. I'll just bet every single studio in the world could find a profitable use for a half priced raw material. (QUALITY ASIDE) Many uses for this product.

Not a better deal out ther if you just use it clear, blast it and paint it. Just to site an example.

Use or don't use it. My opinion is sort of the same about the sparkle colors, they DO NOT WORK for me. I do not bash alchemy for making them because I have seen amazing things made from them.

I just can't seem to do it. **james**