Joe Peters's Honeycombs

[IsaacClodfelter]

Joe Peters is super awesome!! :hotrod:

I've scoured the honeycomb threds, now I have a headache...

Anyone have any clue how he does his honeycombs? I'm not interested in biting his tech but really just want to create a realistic looking honeycomb. I really love how his cells are done with sidewalls. Never seen anyone else get realistic sidewalls to their honeycombs like Joe Peters.

He's on the table of contents in the latest Flow. Sick stuff. Very inspiring.

[Boozeclues]

I believe they are large slices of murrine.
To make cane like that coat the biggest diameter rod you can in a color like yellow then pull down into rod taking care to keep the diameter even. Then cut rod into pieces, put in a tube and condense and then pull down until its the size you wanted.

[IsaacClodfelter]

Thx! Duh, should of thought of that. Silver fumed clear? I've seen some with milli inside the cells, makes sense.

hmm... I still want something on the back so you can't see through the cells, maybe fume before backing. I'll try this and post a pic soon.

[Chad S]

Sick shit fo sho! Check out his latest work on HPG... http://www.highpriorityglass.com/categories/featured-artist.html

[funksizzle]

now thats pretty easy, thanks for the murrini recipe!

[IsaacClodfelter]

Here's my first attempts. the one on the left is silver fume trapped backing, the others are silver strike which I like better. Needs some work.
These weren't good enough to be pendants so they will go on some prodos.
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[IsaacClodfelter]

Fuck! I tried a 19 fumed rod encasement this time and when melting in i burnt off the fume while inside! I had a little trouble burning off the fume with the 7 rod encasement but it retained enough. I ended up turning the cane into a marble, and some of the fume came back.

Can anyone give me advice on not burning off the fume?

[IsaacClodfelter]

Heres the marble. I know I should have cleaned it up and added backing, but it's enough that I made something out of it.
When I first saw that the fume was dissolving I almost scrapped it. It was reassuring to see the fume come back a little - did three or four flame strikes ( no kiln atm :( ) to get some more color.
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I'm having trouble with the final punty on marbles. It takes a chunk out and then causes a flat spot on the bottom. This can be an advantage with vortexes, cus you can spin em nicely. But I really want a true round. should I add a little dot of clear or can I get the marble cool enough to break off from the punty rather than the marble itself?

I assume that since silver fumes out at a lower temp than boro, that it escapes out of the tube or something. How can I get this thing to condense down without burning it off? This just does not seem clear to me. Prolly need to sleep on it...

[istandalone24/7]

if your punty is taking out too big a chunk when you tap it off, you are putting it on too hot....try a colder seal.

[jw721]

istandalone is right, let the punty cool for a second, also watch how hot your marble is when puntying up. To get rid of the flat spot, heat the spot and the area around it, you want the glass to be able to flow and even out a bit. As for not burning the fume off, use a soft flame and really baby it, it's really easy to try to hurry what you are working on and blow all the fume off.

[Mr.P0rn]

What these guys say ^^. Make sure when you go to punty up that the punty itself is a dull orange, and the marble is cool. When you go to take this punty off, itll come right off as it should. When fume is burned off, often times, reduction will bring it back. Good work on the marbles!

[IsaacClodfelter]

Thx guys! Haven't tried the honeycomb again yet. Now I remember taking it easy on the first one. Soft flame! This may take a while for a 19 stick tube encasement in x heavy wall.
But letting the punty cool more is it! Forgot about that, haven't had problems until that larger marble - now I get predictable punty terminations!!!

[silicabello]

anyone know how peters cuts those huge milli slices?

[somewhere]

anyone know how peters cuts those huge milli slices?

I would guess a saw?

Yes I know that didn't help

[HPIAdam]

Saw cut. Lap. Polish

[Riley]

Why not just try color rather than fume? I'd recommend getting large clear rod stock, warm in kiln, then coil coat the color over it. I say to coil or spiral the color rather than line it because when you line the color on and pull down you will see the slight inconsistency between laid lines, whereas coiled over, when stretched, loses almost all traces of individual color lines applied.

That goes for coiling color over hollow tube, to sleeve for tube prep. I've given this example before but find it beneficial for conceptualizing. Coil a sparkle color over a dark tube color. A simple example: unobtanium over cobalt. Then sleeve that in clear tube. When you pull it down the coiling over masks the application, and gives s more seamless look and sparkle, whereas lining the color onto it, sleeving, and pulling down, will have lines.


Both these are the same idea of applying color by coiling or spiraling over, rather than lining. Hope it helps.

Ps. Coiling over is great for thin layers for the above mentioned techniques as well as things like millis. You cannot achieve as thin a coat, or seamless by laying lines (you can but its more challenging I should say)

[ROGUE]

Why not just try color rather than fume? I'd recommend getting large clear rod stock, warm in kiln, then coil coat the color over it. I say to coil or spiral the color rather than line it because when you line the color on and pull down you will see the slight inconsistency between laid lines, whereas coiled over, when stretched, loses almost all traces of individual color lines applied.

That goes for coiling color over hollow tube, to sleeve for tube prep. I've given this example before but find it beneficial for conceptualizing. Coil a sparkle color over a dark tube color. A simple example: unobtanium over cobalt. Then sleeve that in clear tube. When you pull it down the coiling over masks the application, and gives s more seamless look and sparkle, whereas lining the color onto it, sleeving, and pulling down, will have lines.


Both these are the same idea of applying color by coiling or spiraling over, rather than lining. Hope it helps.

Ps. Coiling over is great for thin layers for the above mentioned techniques as well as things like millis. You cannot achieve as thin a coat, or seamless by laying lines (you can but its more challenging I should say)

AWESOME! Thanks for the tech. I always line and get distortion.

[gambitglass]

holy crap batman $1000 for a pendant! I wish I was baller enough to even think about asking so much.

[Riley]

When you are that baller you don't have to I suppose. They are lined up outside the kiln with a net, swooping up the vittles, to be whisked away to their stores and sites, and marked up handsomely.

As to the main title of this thread, if you make knock off pendants because they sell well, I will quit sharing anything with you. At least put a spin on it, or incorporate the technique elsewhere. Ppl who make the exact thing as another artist, for profit alone, are repulsive to me.


If you have the skill to make knock offs, then knock it off, you are wasting your own talent and making folks around these parts, despise you. I mean once or twice for a family, friend, or two just do it are whatever, if you must then you must. If you do it to make money because its money you are not an artist, or not one of integrity. And you won't have an icicle's chance in hell at making a name for yourself. Or at least not a name I would say to your face, mostly because it'd be your asshole I'd address.

(Qeue up the righteous indignation, my opinion means little except its widely shared and repeated, and I share it because its how I feel, and the title of this thread dictates to me that it be spoken)

[gambitglass]

The work is quite nice so dont think for a second I was saying anything against it I just dont understand the marketplace fully sometimes. I love the goblet stemware collabs on the gallery above and feel the pricing on those to be more in line with what I would expect.

[JayBlump]

Haven't tried this but I had an idea. Remember Bates multihole tubing thread? What if you got a bundle of 9.5 Chinese Amber and slid clear rods into each tube (OD of rod almost equal to ID of tube). Put your bundle into a large tube and vac stack. In theory the combs would some out more identical than hand striping rod. Also, if someone else can achieve a perfect "real" looking honey comb, they are not biting anyone but mother nature. Look at Stankards Orbs. Honeycombs, honey, and honey bees. It's all been done mang.

[Riley]

"It's all been done before"


Famous words by biters and the uninspired. It takes too much work to think for yourself, lets just see what's selling and make it to the T. Everything has not already been done, and if you read what I typed you would see I said apply that technique differently, not dont make honeycombs. If you can't differentiate Paul Stankard's soft glass stump work from Joey P's drippy honeycombs, you might have bigger problems. Also the idea you described above would look awful. Maybe try imploding some Chinese amber first before you build an idea without the experience to actually know if it would work.


Sorry I'm the jerk today, but Im done and tired of this "its all been done before". If that were true then the entirety of society would just end. Nothing would ever be invented because who needs to get out of bed and challenge themselves or those around, to think and create with an open mind to the possibilities.


"Fuck the naysayers cause they don't mean a thing, cause this is what style we bring"


Ps. I clearly wouldn't discourage anything being done, as I gave advice to actually achieve it. Do it, do all of it, just don't do it because its what is selling. Do it to try it, to understand it, to learn, and build your skill set.

[istandalone24/7]

hey to each his own. i think the 9.5 chinese amber with clear in the middle might actually come out neat looking. probably not "honeycombish", but still neat...at least on paper it sounds cool. maybe once executed it would look like shit, who knows.

[Riley]

It would look like shit. Amber is transparent, you encase that in clear and you got alot of see through. Now maybe had you said, fume the amber first, you might have something. One time I imploded Chinese amber, its nearly indistinguishable from the clear. There is no edge, definition, or point.

[Riley]

Sorry too, I'm 9 times as critical without sleep.

Do us all a favor though, quit repeating that its all been done before. You are perpetuating a great big lie, and its a disservice to ppl who need to be shown that there is quite possibly and infinite amount that has never been done. Imagine hearing that instead. Opens up the door, rather than slams it in your face.

[ROGUE]

Sorry too, I'm 9 times as critical without sleep.

Do us all a favor though, quit repeating that its all been done before. You are perpetuating a great big lie, and its a disservice to ppl who need to be shown that there is quite possibly and infinite amount that has never been done. Imagine hearing that instead. Opens up the door, rather than slams it in your face.

So I've become lost. Who are you specifically talking to? I was the one that thanked you for the tech(was talking about the lining though), but I think my work speaks for itself, it's originally crappy, no biting here.

[istandalone24/7]

It would look like shit. Amber is transparent, you encase that in clear and you got alot of see through. Now maybe had you said, fume the amber first, you might have something. One time I imploded Chinese amber, its nearly indistinguishable from the clear. There is no edge, definition, or point.

see, that right there is exactly how "new" cool tech and shit are figured out. i guess bickering with people like yourself has it's merits lol.

[Riley]

There is probably more truth to be found arguing with yourself, when ppl repeat things they are told, without questioning their validity. I tried to apologize for the sharpness of it, but really can't stand that phrase being bought and sold without a second glance.

If thoughts are things then such phrases are like an obituary for your potential and imagination. I will never apologize entirely for seizing my own self made moment to express a deeper truth, even if its abstract to you or it makes me come across as a ruthless elitist.

:) I am simply unable to think otherwise, and it may be that many of you are as well. Good day.

[PyroChixRock]

Sorry too, I'm 9 times as critical without sleep.

Do us all a favor though, quit repeating that its all been done before. You are perpetuating a great big lie, and its a disservice to ppl who need to be shown that there is quite possibly and infinite amount that has never been done. Imagine hearing that instead. Opens up the door, rather than slams it in your face.

Yes!

[JayBlump]

Didn't mean to make you so angry. I think I'll go Jump off a bridge now.

[Riley]

Only if you land in a giant pile of understanding. Read around, there is no lack of my desire to help, that just happens to come with some lengthy opinions. I'm more than willing to discuss anything, to gain a greater perspective, and as serious as anything I write sounds, I'm very light hearted in warm company. I can also project alot of anger and frustration, but I know alot of ppl do and regret the tone or misdirection of energy. I apologize.

Fellow human over here.

[IsaacClodfelter]

Why not just try color rather than fume? I'd recommend getting large clear rod stock, warm in kiln, then coil coat the color over it. I say to coil or spiral the color rather than line it because when you line the color on and pull down you will see the slight inconsistency between laid lines, whereas coiled over, when stretched, loses almost all traces of individual color lines applied.

That goes for coiling color over hollow tube, to sleeve for tube prep. I've given this example before but find it beneficial for conceptualizing. Coil a sparkle color over a dark tube color. A simple example: unobtanium over cobalt. Then sleeve that in clear tube. When you pull it down the coiling over masks the application, and gives s more seamless look and sparkle, whereas lining the color onto it, sleeving, and pulling down, will have lines.


Both these are the same idea of applying color by coiling or spiraling over, rather than lining. Hope it helps.

Ps. Coiling over is great for thin layers for the above mentioned techniques as well as things like millis. You cannot achieve as thin a coat, or seamless by laying lines (you can but its more challenging I should say)

Sweet! I will try that soon. large clear coiled over with color, pulled down, cut up, then encased in a tube. Gettin' there!

I'm not really overly concerned about anybody's negative opinions - but it does keep things moving here.

I'm just enthralled in trying to figure out a concept that I want to achieve. This project is for a present I would like to make for my friend who is a bee keeper. I have no intention of making a product line out of honeycomb pendants. (For now, hahaha)

BTW have you guys checked out Joe Peters' $8,000 gold honeycomb pendant? Now that's ballin. Can't find a link, maybe it sold.

[Riley]

You can also sleeve crucible tubing or color coiled tube, over rod. Pull it down, cut equal lengths of it, stuff that in a tube and vac that down.

And the 8k gold honeycomb... Silver spoons need gold honeycomb pendants I guess. Pretty incredible that ppl have the kind of disposable incomes they do. Other than that its incredible. Feels good to see glass going up in value and receiving so much respect. When I win the lotto, I'm buying the platinum one.

[RamblezMarblez]

My dad always is willing to pay for Corning Classes 1.5 away and I'm always refusing cause I can go in my backyard and explore a glass avenue I personally have never experienced before. Until I master what I'm doing on my own would I spend crazy money like that when I could be expanding my studio stock/tools. Each project usually ends up with 3 more fresh ideas. There are a few events/classes I plan to take...

[IsaacClodfelter]

Pretty incredible that ppl have the kind of disposable incomes they do.

With the underground economy in S Cali it's no wonder. Crazy world over there... I might be moving there soon. : )

[funksizzle]

Thanks a lot riley, got my coiling lesson for the day, which I will hopefully remember my whole life when it comes to encasing/color.

[lukem5]

With the underground economy in S Cali it's no wonder. Crazy world over there... I might be moving there soon. : )

haha oh ya totally.

its called drug dealing folks, and having so much cash you can't spend it all without having the IRS find out, but giving it to an artist under the table for a piece? untrackable haha

Then there is always that very rare Rich Stoner, probably less than a few dozen of those left in the world.

[Neko]

+rich kids spending their parents money

[lukem5]

+rich kids spending their parents money

No middle class parent in the right mind would give their kid enough dough to buy one of these pieces 0_0

[Neko]

Huge difference between Middle class family and a family from the hills..

[dnug42]

1400. dollar pendants...jankkies...have not seen that before...
nice honey tec's...reily is always a give-er up here!

[dnug42]

underground economy is in nor cal- come on now.....