burn color out

[Mach Fatz]

So...I have a problem. I bought some green from abr and if I do standard topical adornment it stays just as green as when I melted it. but when I try to wrap with it, when I am done with my piece...it turns orange? I figure somehow I am over cooking my color but I have tried to get her donw quicker and she still turns orangish..why, why, why is this happening...I submit to the will of the melting pot. Please add on. I am in dire straights here. I picked up a commission and I need green to finish. but I cant get it to stay the same color.....

[Icarus]

What type of green are you using? Have you tried encasing it in clear?

[istandalone24/7]

NS Evergreen is my "go to" green. good stuff, you just have to heat it slow.

are you using too reducing of a flame? have you tried using an oxidizing flame or lessening your propane psi?

[jr23]

Most important is what green did you get, some of the moss's are known to get red ish. The borobars get weird when worked to hot to long. Need info you.

[Mach Fatz]

please explain what too "reducing of a flame is? is there a certain flame type that I am supposed to use to reduce? this is new to me...thank you for your input. Im all for team free information. I appreciate all the info that you guys contribute.

[glassdocnc]

It is likely that you have too much propane compared to oxygen in your flame. To correct, add Oxy or reduce gas (propane or natural gas or whatever) or both.

To test for a neutral flame: If your flame is neutral and you try heating a rod of Glass Alchemy Amazon Night the glass will remain dark with no silver coming to the surface.

[istandalone24/7]

^^what he said!!

[glassdocnc]

^^ "she" :tongue:

[Mach Fatz]

Thank you for your input sir. the knowledge is appreciated. To clarify....I should burn with an oxygen rich flame to melt my color in? as opposed to a propane rich one? (I probably should find a medium setting but I think ill understand it better if I knew what extreme was preferable if the medium wasn't available.)

[Mach Fatz]

Thank you for your input sir. the knowledge is appreciated. To clarify....I should burn with an oxygen rich flame to melt my color in? as opposed to a propane rich one? (I probably should find a medium setting but I think ill understand it better if I knew what extreme was preferable if the medium wasn't available.)

[D. dino i ninjah]

There was a green that was like martini olive green that got all kinds of red orangeish when you heated it .. I cant remember the name of it exactly but it really surprised me with its color changing nature

[Mach Fatz]

that's it?!! it was a green that did it...I am scared to use my other colors like that in fear of them turning on me..that shit isn't cheap...I think ill switch colors to see what going on.....preciate it brudduh!!!! thank you for your input.

[FredLight]

Hold that green farther out in the flame than you normally do, see if that helps.

Even with a neutral or oxydizing flame, one can still ruin a color by cooking it too close to the torch face.

[Mach Fatz]

I appreciate that. I have never heard that rule. im new. so to clarify.....what is the best position to cook sensitive colors....? low, med, or high, relative to the torch base? I appreciate your input sincerely. thank you for taking the time.

[yoloswag420]

High, relative to the torch face not base. You have to warm it up and baby it at the end of an oxidizing flame. You got a lot of answers already in this thread, learn your flame settings by learning to fume.

[funksizzle]

Im really hoping you dont just call up abr and say. "Ya, I need a green color, a blue color, a red and a orange." "Ya, borosilicate glass." "how much? 230? Okay.

Any invoices perhaps? They'll help you track it down.

[funksizzle]

Im really hoping you dont just call up abr and say. "Ya, I need a green color, a blue color, a red and a orange." "Ya, borosilicate glass." "how much? 230? Okay.

Any invoices perhaps? They'll help you track it down.

[Mach Fatz]

fuming....I quit fuming when I realized that it only produces blue when you use silver. it seems like it should clash with other colors.....I thought you could fume it over a wide range of colors...I might be mistaken? I don't know any default flame settings for fume...I just heat up my silver and fume my glass in the middle of a balanced flame. do you have any suggestions where I could get some fuming pointers on the web? thank you for your input. I appreciate you taking the time to reply man..

[Mach Fatz]

I actually think that's what I did...I said I needed green...a basic green that sells a lot and they gave me the bullshit. I am teaching myself and you guys know this shit isn't easy. but I love it and I will just have to burn and learn!!! thank you all for the interactions. any input is welcome...

[funksizzle]

Sure, its easy, I agree. Its easy to look at a color you like, and buy it! Maybe even look at how to work it, this parts really hard. Its kinda like using google. Wait, it is using google. I'm just playing, but ya gotta think like this. Everyone here learns by finding others to teach them, reading books, talking to other people on the thread, videos, youtube, glass art shows, glass pipe shows, hippie festivals, their brothers mommas cousin whom used to blow glass, people you meet buying shit from, books from the library, the flow, glassline, schools, demos, classes at peoples studios, corning videos, salemcollegenj videos, and straight putting the pipe down to learn some shit here and there to be able to comprehend.

You got a shit ton of resources so dont let me ever catch you saying this shit aint easy.

You ever heard the song by the who"Eminence Front"?

Whats hard is making it feel hard!

Attitude, optimism, hard work, no self pity, no whining will get you far in all areas of your life.

O yah, when you explain what you do for a living, and talk about glass to people that dont know how its done,

Do not tell em its hard, cause it aint. It gives you challenges.

[jw721]

do you have any suggestions where I could get some fuming pointers on the web? thank you for your input. I appreciate you taking the time to reply man..

Lots of great info for that here, and a lot of tips on getting several colors out of silver. Also a lot of great info about which colors to use scattered around here.

The thread below is a great read for anyone starting out with fuming.
http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showthread.php?121-Fuming-techs