Anyone know how to achieve this affect ?

[cb9420]

Its obviously done with fuming. But how is the design drawn into the piece.

[LowTideGlass]

Silver fume and ti-pen?

[istandalone24/7]

soot and scratch?

[cb9420]

i dont know. I am an award winning graphic designer/tattoo artist and i would like to incorporate some of my designs into my glass.
I think i read somewhere that you can draw on glass with sharpie and then fume over top of it . then the marker burns off and your left with the design ?
not sure

[Tsnider]

hmm i dunno about that. sharpie burns off fairly quickly. i don't think you could heat it up enough to fume. try drawing on something cold, and setting it in the kiln. be interesting to see

[Simian]

looks like it was scratched into the fume.

[Lmwfy]

me thinks it's not encased...

Need more pics to prove it is

[smolder holder]

I saw this tech at last years DFO. It is hand drawn onto the surface with a ti pen.

[Borobot]

Interesting... So then how are they getting the ti-pen to leave a black mark?

[smolder holder]

My guess is the lighting in the pic. Saw some pretty intricate stuff done that way. I could be totally wrong though. It just looks exactly like that sort of work.

[Losiwells]

Are you serious about the "black marks"? Examine the OP's pic and i bet you can figure it out.

[Losiwells]

Graal'ish.

[Borobot]

Got it! Going to give it a try in a couple days. I'll post back with my results.

[menty666]

Fume can be scratched/rubbed off if it's not cooked in. Looks like a pretty thick layer so I'd guess sgraffito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgraffito).

[Losiwells]

Yes, sgraffito. That's what I Menty.
Thanks

[Sketchball]

It looks scratched off as both Simian and Menty said.

The homie styles1 torchlife (http://www.talkglass.com/forum/member.php?6398-styles1-torchlife) told me back in the day to use silver sharpie to draw and the fume won't stick to it. Any sharpies besides silver won't work. I was just starting when I tried it but that technique didn't really work well for me.

Like Lmfwy said it doesn't look encased. I'd say it was fumed without cooking in, cooled, scratched off and then used.

[Deez]

I cant see the pic?

[Chad S]

Look between the two face images & you'll see the blueish dot where the fume is lighter, than the outer where you get the milky white fume. In the center of that dot where there is even less fume you get to see the color of the layer under the fume, which is much darker almost black in color. So as you scratch off the whitish outer fume surface your left with that darker underneath layer color, the perfect combo for contrasting, therefore the popping image.

[Sketchball]

It's the same concept as sandblasting blue caramel except using a tool to selectively remove to fume from glass instead of removing glass.

...I think

[Borobot]

Ok, so I made a black marble, fumed it. Went at it with a ti-pen, and it just looks the same as anything that I would sign. Shiny metallic like. I didn't bake the fume in. Unless the kiln baked it in? Is there something better to use for this tek than a ti-pin?

[blueburnsorange]

Just a total guess but:

-really heavy fume several layers deep
-kiln, cool it down
-scratch design in with any type of etching tool or just a tungsten pick
-kiln, heat up
-bake the fume on

[berning]

i've been playing around with drawing on stuff made out of blue moon tubing , using both titanium and enamel markers . that picture looks, like enamel marker to me.

[Borobot]

Got any pics of any good results Berning?

[Lmwfy]

still not convinced this piece was ever encased, or even used in a final product..

Someone post any updates should they appear :shifty:

[Borobot]

Encased? Used? I think it is just supposed to be a marble? Can you encase Ti-pen and anneal it?

[misticglass]

Im guessing its etched with a dremel style engraver or a diamond scribe

[Deranged Lion]

Please don't use my image for your questions elsewhere . It is fairly obvious you used my facebook profile photo for this ,which would mean you know the source. If you are the same gentleman that responded with calling this a "bullshit tech" then blocking me shortly after my response of "I am planning on setting up a class" ..... Please just put in some hard work and creativeness of your own , I'm sure the answer will come to you .Until then please quit using my photos and work for your lazy search. thank you and enjoy your day.

[Deranged Lion]

Said image in use was created by my beautiful wife Gretchen . Using a hand drawn fume tech , we call our doodle series. With much inspiration coming from my wife and Zack P.
(although I don't think he knows we exist) . At least give credit if you are going to use this image , she works hard on these.

[yoloswag420]

cool tech, dude

[Borobot]

Here is a piece made by Mike Shelbo. Ti-Pen's facebook said it was on a microwave fused tile. After looking around at many Ti-Pen signatures, I have a feeling that when writting on the color white, the black effect is achieved with the Ti-Pen's marks.

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[Borobot]

Going to try this out on some Star White this weekend and see what happens. Will return with my results unless someone beats me to it.

[harpentuan]

n/a

[Borobot]

One other note:
Ti Pen's website claims that markings will hold up to 1500 degrees.
Just an FYI incase you didn't know like me.

[Borobot]

Quick little test swatch.

Star White
Ti-Pen
Spit...

http://i61.tinypic.com/2lwp10g.jpg

[D. dino i ninjah]

^^^^^ I would like to know how people really feel about this .. as a classic example ^^^^^^

I personally feel like ... that is what this forum is for ... right learning and sharing .. asking questions.. getting answers ..
But Im sure when Its "your" work that you think is original then you don't really want to see a "how to" on the internet about doing it ... I am super interested in Enamel Markers.. and othere methods that allow hand drawing on glass.. I Know a lady who is .. Fucking Ill with a Fordom (fancy dremmel ).. on some soft glass .. any way.. I guess .. Im curious at to what others think ..

Is it wrong to search out information about a tech your interested in ?

[RyanBaker]

^^^^^ I would like to know how people really feel about this .. as a classic example ^^^^^^

I personally feel like ... that is what this forum is for ... right learning and sharing .. asking questions.. getting answers ..
But Im sure when Its "your" work that you think is original then you don't really want to see a "how to" on the internet about doing it ... I am super interested in Enamel Markers.. and othere methods that allow hand drawing on glass.. I Know a lady who is .. Fucking Ill with a Fordom (fancy dremmel ).. on some soft glass .. any way.. I guess .. Im curious at to what others think ..

Is it wrong to search out information about a tech your interested in ?

Its the refinement of the tech that makes peoples work desirable,not the tech itself.

You also have to look at the big picture here,relatively speaking this industry is still in its infancy. In 2-5 years when weeds completely legal,and big business gets into the glass world,there wont be a single secret tech left. There's going to be labs out the ass testing every possible thing you can do to boro. Simply having a trick up your sleeve isnt going to help you,you have to make it your own.

So really,in the meantime,we should all be sharing the information we have right now and get as much of a jump start as possible on the real game in a few years.

[LarryC]

^^^^^ I would like to know how people really feel about this .. as a classic example ^^^^^^

I personally feel like ... that is what this forum is for ... right learning and sharing .. asking questions.. getting answers ..
But Im sure when Its "your" work that you think is original then you don't really want to see a "how to" on the internet about doing it ... I am super interested in Enamel Markers.. and othere methods that allow hand drawing on glass.. I Know a lady who is .. Fucking Ill with a Fordom (fancy dremmel ).. on some soft glass .. any way.. I guess .. Im curious at to what others think ..

Is it wrong to search out information about a tech your interested in ?


I think its great to see something you like and be inspired to emulate it. I also think there is so much more value in learning things through hard work and experimentation. If you have someone else tell you how to do it, you miss out on the most important part which in my opinion is learning the methodical process of developing a line of work and style. That is the difference between a technician and an artist. If your happy with your work looking like everyone else's then by all means take the easy route which is asking someone else how to achieve it.

[menty666]

I don't have any problem with puzzling it out, even collaboratively.

Now if you had just watched the original artist do something fairly unique in their studio or taken a class then came in and said, "I saw so and so do this, here's how" that'd be a dick move.


But take for example a collab I saw on facebook with an awesome argyle effect. Offhand, I have no direct clue how it was done. I certainly have a couple of ideas, but I'm more inspired to go out in my shop and try a few things to try it out. Maybe I figure it out, maybe I come across something even cooler.

While I feel for Deranged Lion here, at the same time he should be puffed up that he and the Mrs. came up with something so fantastic that folks want to emulate it. Is it cool watching a group of people try to reverse engineer it? No, of course not, but glass is a give and take and if we didn't try to figure things out, we'd never come up with anything new.

[DIMBW]

Isn't that a no-scratch Ti Pen?

[Borobot]

Yeah Ti-Pen is said not to scratch or damage the glass.
Not sure what is actually going on scientifically to make a mark on the glass though.

[dustyg]

I don't have any problem with puzzling it out, even collaboratively.

Now if you had just watched the original artist do something fairly unique in their studio or taken a class then came in and said, "I saw so and so do this, here's how" that'd be a dick move.

I kind of agree with you, and that's why I stay out of other peoples' studios and classes. I also use open source software and programming tools, and I think those impulses are related.

[cb9420]

i have never even attempted the said tech but i have a very good idea about how it is done. not ti pen for sure. just wanted to know how the tech was done.

[cb9420]

xxx

[Borobot]

I don't think Deranged Lion was ever upset that people were interested in the tech or figuring it out. I think they were just disappointed with not receiving credit for the image of their creation being used as an example.