how to use glossy magazine paper to transfer toner to your glass and fume imges

[bowvalley]

so i seen people asking how i do this. i will be posting the how to video. Video is below.63613636146361563616636176361863619636206362 1

[bowvalley]

how to do the toner transfer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ-didKlCxI&feature=youtu.be

[Firekist]

well.. that's slick! one of the actually new things i've seen for a while.
refreshing, thank you!

i'll go on to say.. "it's not every day you get shown something new with glass" --Freeek, after i showed him a blow-in in 02 or 03. he then proceeded to make a much better one than my example. :) good times

[bandicuss]

thats pretty niffty, i like this.

[bowvalley]

i will post the second video on how to use the toner with fuming

[bowvalley]

how to fume with toner video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFmqzXeUkKg&feature=youtu.be

[PyroChixRock]

You rock! Thanks :)

[KLAW]

Very nice!

[LooseSeal Baller]

cool

[Dan Kooper]

SOmeone hurry up and delete this thread!


Any toner? No blackener added?

Thanks buddy.

[bowvalley]

i use a hp 2840 laser jet printer. I use original toner and a non hp toner refills both worked good.

[FredLight]

Cool for sharing.

Your thumbs don't make that piece look any cleaner,btw.

[Dan Kooper]

^ That's to hold the liquid inside. I thought he was covering something at first too. He added brown liquid to take the place of resin. Pretty good idea I thought.

[bowvalley]

i put black coffee in the pipes to make the fume come out

[steak351]

so if i might ask if i got it right, you take pages of magazines and print the image onto that so the tones doesnt stick to the magazine paper cause its glossy,.... or what kind of paper are you printing on?

[mellofello]

Thanks a lot for sharing. I'm wondering if this produces results similar to when using Photoshop resist paper?

[STROKER]

Very cool. Thanks for sharing.

[AxisWolf]

Nifty!

[oG Glocc Coma]

If anyone is wanting to try this and just doesnt have a printer for it, let me know. I got a stack of HP LaserJets just waiting for some love! You might have to buy toner for it... but i'll send you a free printer if you pay shipping!

[brianmilo]

This is epic

[brianmilo]

Pm sent, og glocc coma 😄

[oG Glocc Coma]

Cool, lil busy this week pm me your addy ill weigh it and get back to you after i get quote

[Simian]

Which HPs ya got man? Any idea on shipping to 81303?

[oG Glocc Coma]

Can I get ya to come to Champs with us if I give ya a printer Simian!?!?! lol

[oG Glocc Coma]

Which HPs ya got man? Any idea on shipping to 81303?

Just looked at I guessed weight and dimensions but it was coming up from anywhere from $22-$28 for a 10lb package(like I said im just guessing, but gives ya an guesstimate)

[Dan Kooper]

That's about home much printers are new now a days. Seems like the ink is more then buying a new printer.

[oG Glocc Coma]

^^In some cases thats true, more true with Officejet style that spray ink^^

The ones using toner are meant to last, I just replaced a HP LaserJet 5.... Yes a Laserjet 5! And that damn thing still prints! they just wanted a new one becuase its so yellow and discolored over years of fading. But yes BellutProof, you are right which is why I said check the toner and do a lil research before ya pay me for shipping a printer you cant afford to use

[Inkslinger72]

Is it old school toner ?Or is it that ink jet stuff. My guess is it's the old school toner . They don't call that new stuff toner they call it ink . Inkjet

[ThreeE]

Is it old school toner ?Or is it that ink jet stuff. My guess is it's the old school toner . They don't call that new stuff toner they call it ink . Inkjet

I am pretty sure you need to use an HP black (not color) laser jet printer. I think laser jet is even newer than ink jet printers.

[Nomad]

I am pretty sure that the laser printer is for printing a lot of text in black. The ink jet printer is for printing photo's.
I think the ink jet is the newer one. If that helps?

[DebH]

Interesting. Thank you for sharing.

[petermatra]

I have an HP Laserjet and it's 4 different colors of toner. This looks cool.

[ThreeE]

I have an HP Laserjet and it's 4 different colors of toner. This looks cool.

I seem to recall reading that this only works with the black and white HP LaserJet printers. Worth a try though.

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[petermatra]

Good thing about this printer is that has black toner too :)

[menty666]

You need to use laser toner, it lays down a plastic like film that forms the resist. It's one of the reasons they need to heat up so much, to melt the material. Many of the inkjet inks are just water stains on the page in the shape of cleverly placed dots.

[hglasswell]

So many ideas... you just blew my mind!

[hglasswell]

So I made this for my brothers Christmas present.. didn't stick as well as I wanted it to but all in all I love the way it looks.



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[metalbone]

how to fume with toner video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFmqzXeUkKg&feature=youtu.be

Hey man, thanks for posting this thread and the two vids. Very cool and inexpensive given that magazine paper is used instead of that blue transfer paper that is sold specifically for this. I am guessing this will work as a masking layer on metal for etching purposes too.

[menty666]

That blue stuff's spendy: http://www.dipmicro.com/store/PNPB

[VinE]

If anyone is wanting to try this and just doesnt have a printer for it, let me know. I got a stack of HP LaserJets just waiting for some love! You might have to buy toner for it... but i'll send you a free printer if you pay shipping!


thanks. i might be interested in one.
This is a really neat tech. Thank you for sharing bowvalley.

[bowvalley]

so if i might ask if i got it right, you take pages of magazines and print the image onto that so the tones doesnt stick to the magazine paper cause its glossy,.... or what kind of paper are you printing on?
yup i use the glossy magazine paper from my GF's old fashion magazines. the gloss helps the toner come of the paper a lil easier

[bowvalley]

I am pretty sure you need to use an HP black (not color) laser jet printer. I think laser jet is even newer than ink jet printers.


You need to user a printer with toner (ink/inkjet printers will not work) called a laser printer. colored toner does work but the color burns out around 590F.70407

[bowvalley]

hglasswell good job on the JD pendant

[petermatra]

I'm thinking about trying this but I have a concern- How does the image hold up? Does it rub off or is it easily scraped? I was thinking about giving a bunch of pieces as a give away but it would be embarassing if the logos fell off.

How do they do it professionally?

[LooseSeal Baller]

I'm thinking about trying this but I have a concern- How does the image hold up? Does it rub off or is it easily scraped? I was thinking about giving a bunch of pieces as a give away but it would be embarassing if the logos fell off.

How do they do it professionally?

I think this tech is used as a negative or whatever. The image is temporary and you can fume or maybe sandblast the negative space to create your image. At least thats what the youtube video made it seem like.

As for how decals are put on, i don't know. enamel maybe, not really sure. I bet someone around here knows tho..

[gomilobster]

ABR has some decals, I think I might even have a sample to try out at some point which are kiln bake on if that is what yer going for. I also think barry is right in that this is used to block the fume and then burned or kilned off. I was thinking lately about since sometimes the transfers from magazines dont seem to look like they stick so well, if its simple shapes or geometric designs, maybe one could use a solvent like acetone and buy bulk toner and dissolve it into a paint if possible (like how one might make napalm as a kid with gas dissolving soap and styrofoam etc), use some contact paper or what have you slather it on, remove contact paper and have a much thicker or solid/even coat of the stuff for some nice crisp images, with less accidental burnoff before you intend it. Since I have no idea about the silk screening process I have no idea if it applies, but maybe to get things like pics of death authors or pop stars onto pipes without printing could work with this same "paint". It is early and I have been up all night, sorry the ideas are just kinda all over the place heh.

If something like acetone didnt work maybe a binding medium for pate de verre like CMC gum, Gum arabic, pine oil, linseed oil, or sodium silicate could thicken it up enough to stick it in place. Hell you might even be able to make forms of fine tip paint marker or wax pencils with the stuff if you were handy and draw on shit if one could somehow get it to work that way. Who wants to make a toner paint in a neutral medium? I wouldn't mind giving it a go sooner or later if no one else ends up doing so. Chances are its all a lot more work for too little gain (if it was somehow useful in the first place), but I dunno... /me stumbles off to bed...:twitch:

[petermatra]

The kiln bake on sounds cool. I expect that to be durable. I'll check it out. Thanks.

[hglasswell]

hglasswell good job on the JD pendant

Thanks!!!!

So i've been playing around more and have come to the conclusion i'm not very good at transferring with paper.. haha... so I tried out some transfer plastic for making PCB's and it sticks great!!


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[LRG]

^ Bad ass what kind of plastic did you use PCB?No following

[IPS Glassworks]

Awesome tech. Whoda thunk it. Something so simple could be so complex. "PCB" Printed Circuit Board. hglasswell was referring to the transfer paper used to do the same process for the manufacture of circuit boards. Instead of copper plates, we use hot glass. Again, killer vids and awesome tech. Thanks for sharing.

[LRG]

Thank bud!!!Gonna try it tomorrow!!!

[LRG]

That fry looks like it has different colors ,have to mess around with the tec

[mikecgara]

i was reading in some other thread that you can use silver sharpie and draw on and fume then burn off the silver sharpie again. Is this using the same principle as this?

[hglasswell]

That fry looks like it has different colors ,have to mess around with the tec

It was a colored picture but my printer is B&W so it prints in shades of grey... this lighter the color the more likely it will burn away first leaving the heavy black behind

[LRG]

So I tried it out tonight,I need some practice!Found out what was too hot,had two come close but had little part not stick to glass.Try again tomorrow!

[hglasswell]

So I tried it out tonight,I need some practice!Found out what was too hot,had two come close but had little part not stick to glass.Try again tomorrow!

I use a piece of white paper and touch the glass to it and if it browns the paper then its to hot once it doesn't brown I wait till I can't feel the radiant heat with my hand and then wait a few more seconds... haha but the nice thing is if you mess up just wipe off the ink when its warm

[LRG]

^^^hell yea ,Thanks man Saturday I got time to blow and gonna give it a go.Think I can pull off some cool stuff with this teck with a bit of trail and error.Been a long time since I tried anything new,same old plane jane for me .

[Deez]

hgglasswell what was your full process for that image of fry? it looks sick!! ive tried the decal paper that you print and fire on with torch to various degrees of success.

[LRG]

^^^

[hglasswell]

hgglasswell what was your full process for that image of fry? it looks sick!! ive tried the decal paper that you print and fire on with torch to various degrees of success.


Ill put together a picture tut when I work tonight...

[Deez]

:D

[bowvalley]

thanks for all the positive feedback. here is some stuff i made with this tech7155871559715607156171562715637156471565715667 156771568

[bowvalley]

hey petermatra once you have the toner where you want it bake it on at around 500f for 20 mins. the only way it will come off after that is if you use acetone or a knife like edge. i cant scratch it off with my fingernails. for decals use toner with a high iron oxide content
I'm thinking about trying this but I have a concern- How does the image hold up? Does it rub off or is it easily scraped? I was thinking about giving a bunch of pieces as a give away but it would be embarassing if the logos fell off.

How do they do it professionally?

[Deez]

do you have pics of any that are just baked on? nice work dude!

[bowvalley]

check out my instagram the 14th pic http://instagram.com/waltercglass/

do you have pics of any that are just baked on? nice work dude!

[LRG]

Thanks a lot man !!!!!After a bit of figuring it out I got it down pat!!!!!Ill be sure to take picture.

[bowvalley]

video update how to cold fume with my toner tech
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=843747789006128

[minority]

really cool trick I think im gonna pick up a laser printer and try this but in the meantime if i read this right, can i just pick up a magazine cut out whatever and put it on a pipe? does it really work like that?

[Sheila M]

sweet. thanks for sharing the info. I've been using decals on glass for several years. COE 33, 96 and 104...Full color. Very different process. I also make some of the decals ABR sells. If you have any questions on that front. thanks! Im going to try this out for my black and white art.

[bowvalley]

for the people that dont have facebook i posted the video in my gf youtube account.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwLS5iXaPSs&feature=youtu.be

[krispysglass]

Great vid all around bowvalley, thanks dude

www.kaglass.com

[glass charlie]

Thanks for the great info everyone.

[oG Glocc Coma]

Paul, Here's the whole thread!

[nicko0]

how long are you all soaking the paper? a few minutes isnt cutting it here.

how long should i keep it rolled up tight? will a whole minute improve things?

should i let the glass cool alot more to help keep it stuck to the glass?

ive already screwed up a few times :(

[nicko0]

has anyone had any luck with brother printers?

i know someone said they have a higher melting point so no good?

well, i have a brother laser jet and its not working out so well.

[nicko0]

https://paulwanamaker.wordpress.com/how-to-make-dextrin-coated-paper-for-the-toner-transfer-method-of-making-pcbs/

[nicko0]

https://paulwanamaker.wordpress.com/how-to-make-dextrin-coated-paper-for-the-toner-transfer-method-of-making-pcbs/

ok, this did not work

sry

[nicko0]

is there a particular length of time that a cold fumed piece can be left in the kiln to get the fume to stick fairly well, its cool if some of it come off , just as long as there is still a good bit left. im still hit n miss baking the fume in using a big sooty flame.

[Quennel8]

Of course you can get ya to come to Champs with you...
Galaxy S7 cover (http://www.casesam.co.uk/category-galaxy-s7-case-cover-110.html)

[nicko0]

brother printer

ultra solvy

temporary fabric spray adhesive(id like a stickier brand than dritz)

double sided tape

plain paper

put some double sided tape on the leading edge of the solvy (on the side curling away from you)

spray some plain paper with temp adhesive

stick the solvy onto the paper

feed the paper into the printer tape end first

it seems to print just fine on plain paper setting.

have glass blanks in preheated oven 300 degrees.

roll hot glass across solvy print on top of towel. press firmly. dont roll it up in the towel or anything fancy. its gonna stick just fine.

let cool a bit.

place in bucket of warm water.

rinse away solvy. it will all come off quite effortlessly but dont miss any.

fume the shit out of the cold blank.

bath it in carbon flame for like half a minute. place in hot kiln till all the soot comes off.

bath again in hot sooty fllame.

place back in kiln.

i think extending the kilning may help the fume stick i dunno. you dont have to.

take blanks out and allow to completely cool.

wipe off extra fume and the print with wet tissue, if its not wt and soft enough it will scrape into the fume.

place back into kiln.

when first introducing the fumed glass into the fllaame to be worked, use an oxidizing flame to take away any extra fume to reduce the amount the fume gets onto the printed area.

[bowvalley]

hey nicko0 i roll the toner on then dunk in right away in water that was just boiling or you can just hold it under the tap with the hot water on. if you use the tap make sure the water is hot enough that you cant hold your hand under it
how long are you all soaking the paper? a few minutes isnt cutting it here.

how long should i keep it rolled up tight? will a whole minute improve things?

should i let the glass cool alot more to help keep it stuck to the glass?

ive already screwed up a few times :(

[bowvalley]

im making a proper video from start to finish and ill have it up soon81130

[bowvalley]

81131
https://www.instagram.com/p/_56GU3sbpL/?taken-by=waltercglass https://www.instagram.com/p/BAA9IaHsbmu/?taken-by=waltercglass

[bowvalley]

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[Trips]

All of the videos got removed, but this is the coolest tech I've ever seen! Can somebody please explain the process? :S

[Ray]

Yes the videos are 'private' now.

Is this a valid thing or just BS?

[LRG]

Yes the videos are 'private' now.

Is this a valid thing or just BS?

It is real,pretty neat,I really dose work.Few different things/ways you can with it but pretty much a temporary tattoo on the glass,then I fume and remove the toner with the kiln or the flame,get different results with each way.I was able to get some real detailed images.I just prep everything in the kitchen oven haha.http://webgram.co/tag/tonertech

[jr23]

What's that webgram sight looks like mostly bowvalllys instagram pictures .

One of his latest the fume tech with female form colab piece is prob my favorite one yet .

[LRG]

What's that webgram sight looks like mostly bowvalllys instagram pictures .

One of his latest the fume tech with female form colab piece is prob my favorite one yet .

Just a random link I had saved,there was a tube on here done on flat plate rolled up to a tube,I want to try that!

[jr23]

Yep bowvallly and I have done some buisness last year .

I can tell he is going to go far . Very bright future for him .

Do you have any boro float . I bought about 20-30 3x5 sheets from Jeffs pieces on Facebook

[nicko0]

so i never did get glossy mag paper to work.

i decided to try again.

it appears that the paper comes away clean from the toner in the video. the paper leaves behind fibers in the toner when i do it. and no matter how long i soak it in simmering or hot water it still inconsistantly pulls off toner.

i am using a new hp printer and a new brother printer.

i bake the blanks in the annealer so they are super clean.

im rolling it on at 400

im pressing pretty hard but maybe its possible to press harder, cause when i do it with my solvy method it sticks really well. i dunno.

maybe i need glossier paper? but i can see its just regular glossy mag paper in the vid.

[BORO]

Magizine paper is everything. You need a higher quality mag to start.

I had good luck with my "powder" ski mag. I had less luck with sports illustrated/playboy (made local in NY at quad graphics)

My juxtaposed mag worked well too, but I save them.

Hope your killing it space man style in baton rough. Post up some pics of that colab with that/any greasy glass will you? (Fresh out of the kiln thread)

In tho o.g. Vid he said "400" but he is using "450"...

Also, imo, the floor of your kiln may have hotter/cooler brick. In a oven on a rack, it's even heated air below and above on that rack. Perhaps place a rack in your kiln.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ-didKlCxI

[nicko0]

word. ill go to books a million and get the shiniest one. i think someone said glossy paper at office depot, so i might try that. i use the kitchen oven to preheat. ill definily try a higher heat.

[nicko0]

will do on the greasy.

[nicko0]

ive considered coating paper in gelatin or aloe vera gel, after reading about diy liquid stringer. but thats more work, and i already have a perfectly reliable method with solvy thats time and money consuming vs paper.

[nicko0]

so i got the glossiest mag at barns n noble. 450 preheat pressed hard. simmered the paper. still stuck to the paper and pulled the toner off the glass. was even worse than cheap glossy.

[BORO]

Idk. I only put in about 10 days total.
I had the same thoughts as you about paper quality. I personally did see a difference.

I will see if i can go ask what brand of toner we used. (Next logical step?) I think some prep may still be at that shop too?

[nicko0]

the toner from this new hp printer leaves behind a reddish deposit. it doesnt just flake off; which makes it difficult to wipe off the resist without scratching the fume. i cant get it to do the flake off with the soot thing. im gonna go back to the brother printer, its ink wipes off way easier.

ps. im back to using solvy instead of paper, it works fine, just more labor.

i ordered photoemulsion today, im worried i wont be able to get the fume to stick better than the etch cream for the washing.

[Billyben]

^Difference between iron oxide and plastic toner I think ?