Fractal Tech

[Simian]

Anyone know how this is done. The effect is pretty impressive.
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[oG Glocc Coma]

O just saw pieces like this on etsy and thought they were amazing

[oG Glocc Coma]

Thought you might like this Simian... might not be same tech though

Edit: on second thought his might just be dichro

https://www.etsy.com/shop/LaserGlass

[Aymie]

I would say thats an image made using the laser jet printing method and lensed. I may be completely wrong.

[Aymie]

Thought you might like this Simian... might not be same tech though

Edit: on second thought his might just be dichro

https://www.etsy.com/shop/LaserGlass


These are a a dichro version of what Kind does. Masking off design on dichro tubing, sand blasting and then sleeving. Armor etch (soft glass frosting stuff) might work to remove dichro. I know it will remove fume and won't penetrate the surface of boro.

Those fractal images are some sort of image applied to the back of a clear lens.

[Simian]

I am pretty sure it is not decal work. The detail is far too precise in the images as they get smaller. I guess I don't know enough about Dichro and how that level of precision is even possible.

[Riley]

Using a laser printer to print in some kind of silver nitrate possibly for the silver work. And maybe an acid etch is printed for the dichro. I've been digging this effect, and looked into it a little bit. It's nothing I want to replicate but I'd love to understand it.

[Simian]

I love the effect but I just don't see how one would achieve it with a printer. That is some insanely fine detail and my laser is incapable for creating decals that will hold that fine of a detail after exposure to heat.

[Riley]

It's just guess work on my part. Seeing the fuming fractal lead to me reading articles where they print with silver nitrate. Maybe it's done other kind of printer or one that is modified?

[mbashaw]

I recently purchased one of Blown out of Water's pendants with a similar design. He told me it was silver fume line art when I asked him about his technique.

[menty666]

Those horizontal striations kind of point to a decal

[mbashaw]

Very nice to look at no matter what the tech behind it is, that's for sure!

[FredLight]

Good eye Menty!

Silver Nitrate straight on the glass goes nuts, it fluffs up and is hard to get small details, no control whatsoever.

I've masked pieces with resist and spread the solution on there cold, it just foams up and goes everywhere once you heat it.

It spreads beyond where it has been so carefully applied.

I'm not saying you'll never get it, I'm saying IT WILL NOT look like the original post.

You'd have better luck drawing your fractal on with Ti pen, fuming then backing with black.

Still, good luck.

[Riley]

There was a member on here I met up with in person who had decals that were the iron oxide based ones. You could apply them cold, warm them, flame them on, and apply silver and gold which would attach to the iron. Then that could be encased/sleeved. Anyhow that could explain the fuming process but you'd still need crazy resolution to print that fine. And that still wouldn't explain how the technique applies to the dichro work shown. And that stuff looks like a just much finer version of the sleeved/etched dichro tubing pipes out there.

[Simian]

It would not explain the detail. You can't get the detail that clean wit iron oxide and a laser printer. Trust me I know from first hand experience.

[menty666]

Where'd the original come from?


I still think it looks printed. High DPI prints on cheap printers often have that line overlap like you see in the image because the paper isn't sized and it saturates the paper.

Just an idea (and no idea if it would work), but....

What if you were to use an inkjet refill kit to fill a cartridge with silver nitrate solution? Could you print with it on normal paper, stamp down on that and have it leave the image behind?

There are some creative folks; you never know what they'll try just for the sake of doing something new and different.

[Simian]

I would agree but the decals tend to break down to a degree once they are exposed to heat. And if you did it cold you would thermal shock the piece the decal was placed on.

[menty666]

Right, but I'm saying ignore the iron oxide decal. Print it on the same kind of paper you'd use for a temporary tattoo or even a photo paper. Slide it on there cold, image side to the glass, bring the glass to temp in the kiln to burn off the paper and leave the silver. Back it in white, theoretical bada bing bada boom, there ya go, magic.

[FredLight]

Could just be glued to the back of a maria and glued to a rod.

[FredLight]

Fractal pattern in black could have been etched out first, and then fumed in afterwards?

Graal + fume.

[Crampon]

It kinda bugs me when credits aren't given. Who made the piece in the first post?

[mbashaw]

Blown Out of Water Glass made it I'm almost 100% certain!

[Simian]

Man, HR Geigers stuff would look amazing with that color and tech

[Simian]

It kinda bugs me when credits aren't given. Who made the piece in the first post?

Relax fella.

[bowlpusher]

My friend Sheila has the hook up on these crazy fire on color decals that you can encase. It looks a lot like them.

[Aymie]

Because this is a decal for sure. No other option. Not sure why people are still arguing. You can even see the print lines, as Menty pointed out.

[Simian]

Didn't see any one arguing. More trying to determine what type of printing process it is. It definitely is NOT the decal process I use due to the design maintaining its integrity so well once heat is applied. There is more than one way to skin a cat...just trying to figure out what method was used here. Hardly arguing.

[menty666]

On the off chance it's not glass (looks like a tiny bit of kevlar glove in the lower left corner though) this is the easiest way to do it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrRY-XknMT8

[bowvalley]

iv reproduced his look with my toner tech. if i had black tubing im sure it would look similarhttp://www.talkglass.com/forum/showthread.php?55707-how-to-use-glossy-magazine-paper-to-transfer-toner-to-your-glass-and-fume-imges71603

[mongo]

what kind of toner and printer are you using? this looks really nice!