Which glass to use?

[2cool2hear]

My kit from MountainGlass came in and now I need to buy some glass to play with. Someday I want to be able to blow and sell chilliums, spoons, condensers, and some interesting stuff, starting with the small stuff.

I'm thinking a few variety of 12mm-25mm rods and solid rods? Experiences/suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks

[snoopdog6502]

What torch did you get?

I just got my first real order of glass from mountain glass arts. Im a noob too. I have a GTT Bobcat

I spent 104 bucks with them and got some nice glass.shipping my glass 2,400 miles did cost me $38 but they did me right. 18 pounds

I got 4mm rod , 8mm, 16mm import rod.

tubing 12mm 26mm, 32mm all in heavy wall or extra heavy wall import. 12MM 2mm wall makes a good stout blow pipe.

Colors "The Alchemist's Guide To Boromax Chemistry" A nice pack of color samples and some frit. Decent samples for $20 cant beat it.
http://www.mountainglass.com/The-Alchemists-Guide-To-Boromax-Chemistry.html?sc=2&category=9169#.VEHnBCiznOA

[ApeironCreations]

Would love to see some of that 26 and 32 import I've been thinking to get some but have been hesitant bout getting the import for quality reasons. Stones and or scratches which cause bubbles which looks nasty :\

Good to in the Alchemists Guide. GA Sample pack was in one my original Mountain Glass order and it has great Information!

[Nomad]

12 mm heavy wall for chillums, 25.4 mm heavy wall for spoons, 7 mm rod for handles, 4mm rod to rake color with, I use 9.5 mm heavy wall tubing for blow tubes but it is better to pull points. That should work for a noob.

[Aymie]

For starters, when y'all say import do you mean chinese? Pretty much all clear is imported. That being said, I would never suggest wasting time or money on Chinese clear. The quality is terrible and the integrity is low…very low. I wouldn't trust it to hold up over time.

That being said, I would buy the following:

Rod- 4mm, 6mm, 10mm and 16mm
Tube- 9.5mm, 12mm, 16mm, 26mm and 32mm, all heavy wall.

That will give you a variety of stuff that will accommodate trying out just about anything.

[Nomad]

Asian glass is crappy but it is also really cheap. I would use it. Actually I still do use it sometimes.
ABR is having a 40% off sale on Asian glass right now. I would get it wile it was on sale too.

[Tron Glass]

My most used are 4mm rod for small punties and bridging, 7mm rod for larger punties and striping clear. 12-16mm rod for horns/sculpture work. 12mm heavy/extra heavy wall for blow tubes. 25mm for spoons and the like. 38mm for hollow sculpture work.

[2cool2hear]

Why am I not allowed give you guys additional reps for helping me out here?

[hawkglass]

If u plan on making bubblers some 4mm tubing makes a good downstem

[snoopdog6502]

The import tubing I got from mountain glass arts was very nice stuff. It did not turn to crap till I started working with it.. :D

[2cool2hear]

Do you think this is fair price or would you rather order them individually? I'm thinking about placing the order tomorrow morning the first thing.
I'm not sure about the brand either, I hope they're not junk.

MountainGlass $100 Clear Boro Package (http://www.mountainglass.com/200-Clear-Boro-Package_2.html?sc=2&category=9169#.VEM4tUt1RnE)
Includes rods in the following sizes:
(4) 3mm
(4) 5mm
(3) 7mm
(1) 10mm
(1) 15mm

It also includes tubing in the following sizes:
(1) 9.5mm x 2.0mm
(2) 12mm x 2.2mm
(1) 16mm x 2.5mm
(1) 19mm x 3.2mm
(1) 22mm x 3.0mm
(2) 25.4mm x 4.0mm
(1) 31.7mm x 4.0mm

The Alchemist's Guide To Boromax Chemistry kit looks useful, I'm getting it too.

[2wheeler]

If u plan on making bubblers some 4mm tubing makes a good downstem

I disagree. ..

[hawkglass]

If its from mountain glass it will be good glass and thats a fair price for that amount of glass but ul want more of the 12mm that u should buy seperate

Its true that u could buy all this for less in some places but theres no garuntee of the quality like mountinglass has

[hawkglass]

The glass wont be junk if its from mountin tho id add some more 12mm tube to ur order ...its used ALOT

[2cool2hear]

It's $25 cheaper if you order them individually

[JDNACEglass]

hey hawksglass, i must ask how many bubblers you have made with 4mm tube?

[hawkglass]

Only one it was my first bub and that was the last piece i made it was actully recomended to me by somone on here

[Nomad]

I use 9.5 mm heavy wall for downstems on my bubblers. I make a lot of them also. With 3 or 4 mm holes. If the holes are too small they get clogged and if there too big they don't work right.

[Nomad]

Just order from ABR and save the 40% off. There website is really a good one.

[GlassBBQ]

Just order from ABR and save the 40% off. There website is really a good one. Remember MGA will price match too.

[Aymie]

Only one it was my first bub and that was the last piece i made it was actully recomended to me by somone on here

Well someone was messing with you. Unless you are making some sort of crazy mini that won't ever actually be used, you should never use anything smaller than 9.5.

[Dan Kooper]

I dont even have 4m tubing in my shop. In the decade I've blown glass, I've never used 4m tubing. On anything.

[Aymie]

I have never even seen it. I think even my uranium capillary tubing was at least 5mm. When I saw the initial 4mm suggestion, I giggled and thought he was just being a dick. If he is serious, and someone else was the dick, I am sorry everyone missed it or let it happen.

But props for pulling off a bubbler with 4mm tubing. Did it actually function?

[Snow Diesel]

Somebody donate that kid a torch already, please... Occupy his time better.
A 7 stud, quadruple mix, nitrogen injected, HOTHEAD, with 1 13/28" hose, thats what I learned on and was suggested by my mentor.

[hawkglass]

Ya it worked realy nice actully i used it for about 3 days and gave it to a freind that just got his card

[Snow Diesel]

There is 4x.8 tubing, and he did say down stem. Little credit.

[hawkglass]

Exactly what i used^

[Aymie]

I am not doubting that it exists. That's just a really small down stem. I am very familiar with exactly what 4mm is. 4mm rod is a staple. That's small and thin enough that it will clog and be hard to poke through without breaking.

I am giving a lot of credit. I don't know that I could pull off a bub with a 4mm down stem.

However, shops will not buy a bub with that size down stem unless it'a a micro…so don't buy it for that purpose. Go with the 9.5…or even 12mm…but I am a fan of big holes and airways. As a hobbyist or not-for-profit artist, go for it…but if you want to sell your stuff to shops or the general public, do not use the 4mm. I actually super curious about who suggested it.

[Snow Diesel]

Btw, the torch mentioned above, I got it with the hoses cut, I got a feeling it was stolen..

[Snow Diesel]

My apologies to 2cool2hear, I saved up money and cruzed over to glasscraft and purchased tons of diffrent glass sizes. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 16, 20 mm rods. 9, 12, 19, 22, 25, 32 mm tube each one in medium, heavy and extra heavy if avaiable. Most of my thin wall is still collecting dust. From my personal experience I would suggest...
6mm.
12mm
16mm rod

12-12.7mm
25-26mm
32mm all heavy wall tubing.
That's what I usually need and use.. Just my 2cents.
Sorry for all the unnecessary posts..

[hawkglass]

Aymie il see if i can find the post

[PyroChixRock]

Well someone was messing with you. Unless you are making some sort of crazy mini that won't ever actually be used, you should never use anything smaller than 9.5.

This


I dont even have 4m tubing in my shop. In the decade I've blown glass, I've never used 4m tubing. On anything.

And this.

Don't buy 4m tube.

[JDNACEglass]

can i call bullshit?

[hawkglass]

Found it it was when i just got on here
http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56751

[Aymie]

Am I missing something? I didn't see the suggestion for 4mm tubing anywhere in that thread nor anything about bubblers.

[hawkglass]

Art vandelays comment

[Jed]

art did say correct me if im wrong, guess no one caught it at the time, he was mistaken im sure as 4ml is incredibly tiny tube.

[hawkglass]

It is and because no one corrected him i assumed he was right and tried it out but hey atleast the bub turned out good when i used it

[Snow Diesel]

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So I didn't find any 4mm scraps in my pile, but here's a 3mm and 5mm ROD, so 4 would be in the middle of these two.. 4mm down stem, you da man bro..

[hawkglass]

Im not gunna lie and say it was easy but it worked lol took forever trying to keep it strait

[art vandelay]

hmm have i been doing something wrong?

when i bought my torch this was included.
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its about 5mm od. 3mm id. same id as your average bowl hole. i use it to for hammer bubbler downies.

i havent had one clog on me mid hit. but i dont partake it flowers too much these days. ivee been trying to get in tune with mind and body... ive been doing yoga, eating greens and getting colonics.

ive given alot to friends too and havnt had any complaints. but i guess when you get a free pipe your not gonna bitch too much.

anyways there is ample room in the downstem for a paper clip to free any clog that may happen.
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plus it fits on my pokie bowl push really well and makes for a very easy to achieve straight downster

[dplaza]

not trying to be a jerk but metric abbreviations are so short theres really no excuse for not using the correct one. "m" is meter "mm" is millimeter "ml" is milliliter which is volume. i know everyone knows this, and i know nobody is using 4 meter tubing for a bubbler, but its just one more "m." your finger is already right there. haha no sweat tho just sayin.

[hawkglass]

Art i wouldnt say ur doing somthing wrong because u gotta remember its art :) nothing u do is wrong its just differant and pesonaly i liked using the 4mm down it was a challenge to keep strait with out the pokie push but hey it worked nice ....post a pic of a bub u completed so these guys can see ur work

[art vandelay]

not trying to be a jerk but metric abbreviations are so short theres really no excuse for not using the correct one. "m" is meter "mm" is millimeter "ml" is milliliter which is volume. i know everyone knows this, and i know nobody is using 4 meter tubing for a bubbler, but its just one more "m." your finger is already right there. haha no sweat tho just sayin.

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[art vandelay]

Art i wouldnt say ur doing somthing wrong because u gotta remember its art :) nothing u do is wrong its just differant and pesonaly i liked using the 4mm down it was a challenge to keep strait with out the pokie push but hey it worked nice ....post a pic of a bub u completed so these guys can see ur work

plus having a smaller downstem makes my penis look bigger.

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[hawkglass]

Lmao

[Aymie]

And then my head just exploded…and the shit that stuck to the walls looked like radishes. Funny, because i smelled art related radishes the other day, but forgot to mention it. I know my fear of radishes might be getting a bout pervasive, but that doesn't mean it's not real. It's like a radish fungus really. I can only imagine the time it take to maintain a fungal radish garden. Apparently, it's manageable for radishes.

[Aymie]

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[hawkglass]

This thread has officially made my day ....thank you art and aymie

[art vandelay]

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[Jimi The Don]

i use 4mm lead tubing to make electrodes, that's seriously small tubing. that may also work well as a catheter.

[hawkglass]

Dang jimi lol

[Greymatter Glass]

.... somewhere I have some 1.0mm and 0.8mm boro tubing. It's tiny stuff, use in biology for moving cells around (according to the guy I got it from)

I would guess the ID on the 1.mm stuff is maybe 0.5-0.4mm and the 0.8mm stuff much less.

I don't think it's stuff that's sold by the 5' section in 50# cases :P

[hawkglass]

Really? Thats crazy ...i cant see it being used for anything but that

[Aymie]

I hear there is teflon in 4mm

[art vandelay]

I hear there is teflon in 4mm

and radishes

[hawkglass]

Really? Whoda thought

[Aymie]

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Sounds like someone who knows what I am talking about.

Art and Hawk, are there any members here that you have met? Is there anyone who can testify that you are not made of radishes?

[art vandelay]

i thought only three stage phantoms were made of radishes

[hawkglass]

Unfortunantly not yet i csnt wait to meet some ppl on here but because of my area its hard to find ppl

[hawkglass]

But dont worry im not made of radishes ima starfruit

[Jimi The Don]

Dude, I fucking LOVE radishes!

[PyroChixRock]

I've invited Art to get a sammich since he lives near me. I could even pick a place that serves radishes if he wants.

[art vandelay]

ive got a confession to make... the reason i havnt taken you up on your offer is because... this is the real me.
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[art vandelay]

i found this pic of hawk too...
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[art vandelay]

i wish i was a re-re-re-real boy.
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[Aymie]

Once upon a time there was a little radish who outgrew his garden…then some girl pulled him up and juiced him and poured him down the sink because he was poison.

[art vandelay]

ouch your gonna juice my raddish. mmm maybe that will turn me from a raddish boy into a man.

[PyroChixRock]

Oh c'mon art. Just come to lunch. :rcool:

[art vandelay]

Oh c'mon art. Just come to lunch. :rcool:

bahahah thats awesome. thats a new addition to the emojis right? i plan on meeting all you guys soon. ive gotta learn to duck punches first tho.

p.s. i love this site for all that it is... even the old curmudgeons.

[Aymie]

I have all the time in the world to protect my loves from poison.

[PyroChixRock]

Cool. We'll be here. :r:)

I actually don't know about redding too much, but I know my sweetie knows a bomb sammich place. I remember he entered the Cornerstone contest last year with one of their sammiches. The pics of the sammich looked good! :r:D

[PyroChixRock]

I have all the time in the world to protect my loves from poison.

:r<3: :r<3: :r<3:

Some radish love for my girl :r:D

[JDNACEglass]

this thread tasted of bullshit so bad for a bit, now it tastes much healthier

[hawkglass]

I think we accidently thread jacked .......sorry op

[art vandelay]

I think we accidently thread jacked .......sorry op
Considering this question has been asked and answered countless times I'm sure the op got his answer.

[hawkglass]

This is true tho i still feel bad

[PyroChixRock]

Eat a radish. You'll feel better. :rsnicker:

[hawkglass]

*Munch*XP

[snoopdog6502]

LOL you guys and gals are a trip. This is a fun and laid back site, just dont chit chat in the glassifides...

[hawkglass]

^Tis a crime worthy of the radish

[Snow Diesel]

Fuck bro, get off the iPod, get your self a magnifying glass, go out side and melt something, beer bottles, idk.. I love this place for all the great info and knowledgeable people on here, and lately it's just hawk blah blah blah with no knowledge or help or pics..

[hawkglass]

Ya ik i gotta get out and do stuff but gotta work up the money first this passes the time in my hurry up and wait job

[hawkglass]

also not on an ipod its my phone