Support revere glass!!

[hawkglass]

Support On the Torch through Patreon! || REVERE G…: http://youtu.be/_vJa4Oh1UmE

Sorry if this is in the wrong sub pyro i had no idea where to put it

[snoopdog6502]

Id be willing to pony up a few bucks to lighten the load and help pay for the production cost. I have memberships on other forums that I pay for.

Even $20 is not much, that's about the price of a bottle of Oxygen or half the price of a decent light bulb.

$100 for a private session with Dustin would be a kick in the ass, cheaper than dinner and night out with the wife.

Since I quit drinking I have a lot more money to spend on good things and not on Alcohol.

[hawkglass]

Il be donating 50 a month after my studios setup and i get my car

[art vandelay]

they should just do the advertising on the videos. its strange to ask for donations instead of taking the normal route of youtube monetization. this is a step in the wrong direction IMO. 5000 dollars a month for kevin to go full time too? he want 60,000 a year to shoot some videos...

ive always been i advocate for their channel but, idk, this feels dirty man.

[hawkglass]

Obviously not all of the money will be going to them and with them closing there lessons there real income is going to be gone and they have no way to do videos without there equiptment and the employees getting payed too to me this is the best option they had

[art vandelay]

i think advertisments are the best option. simple 30 second video. no need to ask the viewers for anything.

[snoopdog6502]

They would have a bit of an issue with some advertisers. They would have to be head shop owners or cannabis seed banks.

The sponsors they have now dont pay the bills, just keep them fat with flowers and shatter.

[art vandelay]

idk man, getting doug with high, jre, high times, weedmaps, vice, hamiltons pharmicopia all get by fine. i think the root here is they arnt getting the large numbers of views they thought they would get originally to produce healthy cashflow via youtube monetization. they have realized that since they are providing a product for such a niche market, they will only get the large flows of income by asking for direct payment. its not a horrible idea, but im not onboard. and i still think the goals are off base. they already have the equipment to record obviously, they are not using film its all digital. so i dont get what recurring costs are involved that need to be payed in order to keep them afloat. i feel like they know theyve provided a great service for the community and now they are shaking people down before they give more... its upsetting to me. and frankly it changes my opinions about them as people. ive seen conversations about them on this site in the past and i always wondered why their was so much negativity around dustin... i hope he comes through here and pulls that video down asap.

[snoopdog6502]

I can see where is boarders on E-BEGGING. I know some people sit on a corner with a sign, then go buy beer, dope,cigs, bongs and dildos but that is not the case.

Perhaps they want to focus more on a media style reality TV over just glass work and a video now and then to show off stuff for beginners.

We will see how it plays out but they always have glass to fall back on.

[funksizzle]

It's just ya extra spare change that feels better than your other sources of dough. You know, the extra money you use to but your pipes and what nots? Using ya scrap while you fill your walls up with your 1/2 jug of spackle and a 1/2 piece of sheetrock you got from a fed off craigslist. cmon. Even do you makin bank, there's no need to go buy a full container of premo spackle, and a full sheet of sheetrock at overpriced Home Depot.

That's why you call up the fed on craigslist, man up, and have fun knowing he's a fed when you show up a house with a guy, a garage and some goods.

Then you know, as your walking away maybe mutter something like "do you think I should shave my asshole, is that bothering any you peeps? No, ok cool, I just want my asshole and wanker enjoyable for the whole crew.

Yes, I know what that sounds like, and well, its kinda like that, it's peoples jobs, I aint the one lookin

[H1JACK3R]

As usual Funk, what the fuck.

The videos are good, I've only scoped a couple just to check the production value, but yeah probably worth 5-20 a month to someone who doesn't know these techs and has poor reading comprehension.

The more resources available the better.

[Loki Glass]

I don't mind kickin in 5-10 bucks a month towards it. The amount of things I've picked up in the last year or so from them has been huge. I had a feeling this is where it was all heading. Hopefully they're cool and are sure to leave all the videos up for everyone and not just those who pay.

[art vandelay]

everyone who is not donating to revere and enjoys watching their existing vids should download copies now... it looks like dustin and kevin are going to be going to a subscription only service. a few people have commented this on the youtube video regarding patreon, and their comments are immediately pulled.

to download any youtube video you need to use a third party video converter. here are some links link/ (http://en.savefrom.net/1-how-to-download-youtube-video/) link (http://www.videograbber.net/) link (http://www.savevid.com/) link (http://www.downvids.net/) link (http://http://keepvid.com/) link (http://www.clipconverter.cc/)

[PyroChixRock]

Just in case this does happen, I want you guys to keep in mind that if he does pull his videos or change them to a paid service, they cannot be posted here without his permission.

I hope he keeps them as they are, but I understand it costs a lot to produce them and he might need to change some things to keep it going.

[art vandelay]

yeah personal watching only. if you pull them and repost them on youtube i think he could sue.

[brianmilo]

We live in a very cynical world, where it has begun to feel like snoop said you can't even trust a guy holding a cardboard sign, and I am rarely pro-give-me-free-money to begin with, but these two are not guys I am worried about being hustled by. Sure, there are people who post their vids and never ask for a penny but those vids are usually poor quality and I have enjoyed, trusted, and been informed by every video I've seen of theirs. Without their selfless natures, I would have NEVER gotten into glass. My mentor lives in a different state and could only advise me on purchasing and offer insight. While slowly acquiring my tools one by one, paycheck by paycheck, I watched the vids tirelessly, attempting to learn via theory and melting in my imagination and ended up getting a head start equal imo to a master blower holding my hand the whole way. Then, once I finally acquired everything and looked into my flame, the vids taught me a second time, (and third etc as my untrained hands attempted and failed to follow the instructions) and haven't stopped yet. Dustin revere taught me how to blow glass and has been extremely good to our community. But just like none of us could quit our dayjobs without sinking every penny and stealing precious time with our families, he (they, collectively) has reached that same crossroad. "Hey. You've spent all your time and money on this and you've been awesome by offering it for free, but it's come time to turn home kind of profit or cut this money hose off." ...I personally don't have hundreds of dollars lying around I can throw at them but I'll do twenty. He taught me to make pipes, so once a month, I will offer the modest proceeds from the sale of ONE pipe to ensure future generations of glassblowers have the help I had. I don't think it's asking too much. Last point I'm gonna make: if you think what they're offering in return for the sums isn't enough, try to keep in mind that these are just people...OUR PEOPLE...not a corporation, and they sat down and gave asking for donations the old college try. They're not top flight offers because these two have ZERO EXPERIENCE asking for handouts. If you think nobody deserves to be paid for doing what these two do because you're not being paid to do it, get into tattooing. The tattoo community is full of cutthroat, never reveal how I did this, figure it out, I got to make my money type people. This is the glass community. ;) (just my thoughts...my longwinded thoughts)

[hawkglass]

And absolutly correct imo i mean when was the last time dustin and kevin gave bad advise? Or even hinted that they where out for the money ...these guys need our help to continue teaching new blowers and experianced alike and i will be donating because without there vids i might not have started down the path of glass to begin with

[snoopdog6502]

^^^^ Agree with Brianmilo. The tattoo community holds all the skills as a secret. Nothing like the glass people who share skills like Snodgrass did with his many tricks.

I worked in a tattoo shop and it is super easy next to glass work. They dont rent out machines and use of space like glass folks will. They would tell you to hit the road most of the time.

Sure have noticed the glass community is very generous and friendly, so laid back too. Never knew a group quite like the glass people.
Could be all the weed they smoke. :D

I used to be an alcoholic who drank a couple fifth a day. I quit and now I have money to put to positive uses so $20 is nothing!
Now when Im jonesing for a bottle it's just oxygen, LOL JK it has 1,400PSI.

Anyway Ill kick them $20 because they taught me more then $20 worth of knowledge many times over.

[art vandelay]

Dustin revere taught me how to blow glass and has been extremely good to our community. But just like none of us could quit our dayjobs without sinking every penny and stealing precious time with our families, he (they, collectively) has reached that same crossroad. QFT

this is the root of the philosophical quandary that i find myself in. you compare a glass blower not being able to quit his day job (to blow glass full time) to dustin not being able to quit his day job to film him blowing glass fulltime... but what it seems people arnt factoring in is that is his full time job. he is at a glass studio behind a torch whether its being filmed or not. so we can take dustin out of the equation entirely. we can also take the cost of the glass and gas out of the equation because again he is there making this stuff either way. so the only remaining cost factors are kevin and whatever fees go along with him filming and video editing. so the question should be would youtube monetization as it sits today provide him with adequate income to pay kevin full time? the answer is beyond me but a lot of less popular youtube channels stay afloat without asking for money in a third part manner. they only getting paid via the poss venues at hand. also i share a similar sentiment about dustin. ive posted it many times in the past. ive encouraged people to go to his shop and buy his wares and i own his pieces myself. but the reason i was such an enthusiastic member of team dustin was because of his reckless disregard for personal gain. he always struck me as someone who had amazing skills and instead of trying to capitalize those skills he was sharing them to help grow the art and the community as a whole. i believed he was an authentic genuine man who was desiring to grow the glass community without any personal gain.that being said i will sign up for his service if he privatizes his channel simply because they have the best quality filming that ive seen in the glass community. but my respect and opinions have changed. i still do not think their is anything wrong with his choices at all. i do believe that it will be in his detriment to privatize his channel, but these are just opinions. im glad hes free to do as he pleases and im glad im free to unsubscribe to his channel when im unhappy with whats going on. im gonna be happy when this crowd funding fad goes away. everyone knows the beaten path is the easiest, monetization is in place so that people who get adequate views can make money. revere doesnt get adequate views so they are back dooring the funding. ill still pay to play im just not gonna be super happy. now im off to smoke a rage bowl out of a spoon made by dustin which i bought to try to support him and his mission.

and before you guys get to high up on those horses we can see who has donated to patreon so let you wallet talk as much as your mouths guys.
http://www.patreon.com/revereglass?u=345820&ty=p

[snoopdog6502]

I paid $5 for the insider status, my poor bank account was down to $12 or I would do better. LOL

[art vandelay]

i thought your name was ... i dont see a mike on the list. :bouncy:

[hawkglass]

Thats because in order to be a patron you have to donate 15+ acording to the site rules also the reason i havent donated yet is because i dont have the money to after the car im buying my phone bill and the 2,500$ order i put in to mountin glass after i get my next paycheck at my new job il be donating 20-50 a month

[art vandelay]

Thats because in order to be a patron you have to donate 15+ acording to the site rules also the reason i havent donated yet is because i dont have the money to after the car im buying my phone bill and the 2,500$ order i put in to mountin glass after i get my next paycheck at my new job il be donating 20-50 a month

this cant be true because now snoop is showing up... its a dollar bro, if you can harp about the morality of supporting them i wanna see your name on the site.

props to snoop for walking out what hes talking about

[Greymatter Glass]

Most professional producers of high end content make a lot more than they're asking for. Also, keep in mind the median income in the US is a hair over $51,000 a year. They're not asking for much, and the whole crowd sourcing thing is probably the most egalitarian way to raise money for a project - don't want it, don't buy it. buy it, and you get something for what you pay.

We could argue about how much money they have, should have, what they spend it on, etc... but unless you're giving them money, what's YOUR stake in it?

I wish 'em luck, but also hope they at least keep the content they've already made free... tho it sounds like they're still planning to distribute through youtube for everyone - giving them money gets you things you otherwise don't get (inside info, access to not-previously-released content, pics, glass, brain picking sessions, millie slices, etc)

[brianmilo]

Art vandelay, you sir, have nailed it. Excellent delivery. :)

Id also like to point out that they're not requiring or even suggesting that they want "you" the viewer pay such and such dollars...1 dollar WAS an option. You just don't get presents :D if I'm flat god awful broke one month, they'll still be grateful for one dollar and likely won't scorn me for not forking over the 20 i'd intended. We all know for a fact they'd do it for free. They already have.

[Greymatter Glass]

...in order to be a patron you have to donate 15+ acording to the site rules

Can you link to where you saw that? It might be that only people who pledge more than $X show up on the creators page, but it looks like the minimum pledge to charge is $1.

[PyroChixRock]

We live in a very cynical world, where it has begun to feel like snoop said you can't even trust a guy holding a cardboard sign, and I am rarely pro-give-me-free-money to begin with, but these two are not guys I am worried about being hustled by. Sure, there are people who post their vids and never ask for a penny but those vids are usually poor quality and I have enjoyed, trusted, and been informed by every video I've seen of theirs. Without their selfless natures, I would have NEVER gotten into glass. My mentor lives in a different state and could only advise me on purchasing and offer insight. While slowly acquiring my tools one by one, paycheck by paycheck, I watched the vids tirelessly, attempting to learn via theory and melting in my imagination and ended up getting a head start equal imo to a master blower holding my hand the whole way. Then, once I finally acquired everything and looked into my flame, the vids taught me a second time, (and third etc as my untrained hands attempted and failed to follow the instructions) and haven't stopped yet. Dustin revere taught me how to blow glass and has been extremely good to our community. But just like none of us could quit our dayjobs without sinking every penny and stealing precious time with our families, he (they, collectively) has reached that same crossroad. "Hey. You've spent all your time and money on this and you've been awesome by offering it for free, but it's come time to turn home kind of profit or cut this money hose off." ...I personally don't have hundreds of dollars lying around I can throw at them but I'll do twenty. He taught me to make pipes, so once a month, I will offer the modest proceeds from the sale of ONE pipe to ensure future generations of glassblowers have the help I had. I don't think it's asking too much. Last point I'm gonna make: if you think what they're offering in return for the sums isn't enough, try to keep in mind that these are just people...OUR PEOPLE...not a corporation, and they sat down and gave asking for donations the old college try. They're not top flight offers because these two have ZERO EXPERIENCE asking for handouts. If you think nobody deserves to be paid for doing what these two do because you're not being paid to do it, get into tattooing. The tattoo community is full of cutthroat, never reveal how I did this, figure it out, I got to make my money type people. This is the glass community. ;) (just my thoughts...my longwinded thoughts)

Well said, thank you.


Most professional producers of high end content make a lot more than they're asking for. Also, keep in mind the median income in the US is a hair over $51,000 a year. They're not asking for much, and the whole crowd sourcing thing is probably the most egalitarian way to raise money for a project - don't want it, don't buy it. buy it, and you get something for what you pay.

We could argue about how much money they have, should have, what they spend it on, etc... but unless you're giving them money, what's YOUR stake in it?

I wish 'em luck, but also hope they at least keep the content they've already made free... tho it sounds like they're still planning to distribute through youtube for everyone - giving them money gets you things you otherwise don't get (inside info, access to not-previously-released content, pics, glass, brain picking sessions, millie slices, etc)

Also well said.

So does anyone know what they plan on doing with the videos that are out now? Are they keeping them open to everyone and letting the ones who can/want to fund the project to keep going like it is? That's what it sounds like to me from reading that site Art linked, but I am not sure.

[art vandelay]

i hope they turn their channel to a subscription only service. and i hope this soley because i feel ive fought too hard in this thread to ever go back. lol jk

im wrong guys my bad. just watched another interview with dustin. hes too cool of a guy to stay mad at.

[PyroChixRock]

Hey Art it's cool of you to admit that you changed your mind. I'm impressed. :)

[Greymatter Glass]

from the video linked in the first post, they're trying to fund their Youtube channel without going to Youtube monetization. I don't see any suggestion that their primary channel wouldbe subscription based.

They're offering access to portions of recorded classes they've done for years - those won't be on YouTube, but the videos they do now will be.

[snoopdog6502]

Revere glass on youtube has 17,438 subscribers but only 979,830 views.

They are not making a killing on that. My channel has 241 subscribers and 200,382 views. Youtube owes me $94.19. according to my Analytics page .

So odds are the videos if monetized may have paid for a real shitty camera. LOL

If you want to make money on youtube you need to be a girly man and cry" LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE"

:D

[RedToroBoro]

I would just ask that before you give money do a search for revere glass!! Revere and Jello or both have done some shaddy stuff after asking people to support them. IE. GlassQ. People can change but just do your research. Some of the people posting on this are new to this site and might not know the history. If you do donate great but just wanted to put it out there. People from this community lost money some more than others
Peace

[PyroChixRock]

Kevin has posted numerous times trying to work these issues out. See the following posts: (click on the little blue arrow at the top of the quote to go to the original post)


Well this seems like as good a place as any to jump on in.

Hi all, Kevin from Revere here. I know we have had some issues in the past, disorganization and payment chief among them. In the year I have been at Revere, we have created a solid team, and are doing our best to clear up any old issues.

First up, GlassQ. Before my time here, Dustin created a streaming/gallery site with a subscription model. Right around 1000 subscribers, his web developer up and left, and he couldn't find anyone to keep the site going on short notice. As far as I know, he shut it down at the end of that month. If anyone payed for months of membership in advance, we'd love for them to get in touch so we can get them into our online classes.


daglasbloer, I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I like to think we've turned things around since then. We use an online scheduling system for all our classes, and have an office manager here 5 days a week.

Glassagonia, I was actually at the shop for that class, it was right when I started. Sorry that our disorganization lead to travel troubles, that is one area we have definitely improved on. Correct me if I wrong, but I think you got a refund for the class because of the mixup.
I've never sat in on a workshop with anyone else, but to date that was still some of the most advanced glassblowing I've seen. I'm with mistahead in that part of the draw is watching how he works his magic to tame something just outside of his reach.

upgrade, I don't know the details that led up to that incident, but I was at the shop when it happened. Rita, Dustin's wife, called the police because she felt threatened by a third party who had involved himself. The aggrieved party also got a ~10k Eush rig, so that did get settled.
I also really dig this job. Comes with a paycheck and everything.

We continually have students coming through our intro classes, Pipemaking 1 and 2 programs, our Scientific program with Suuze and private lessons with Dustin. He's not a bad guy, just a flawed human trying his best like the rest of us. He just wants to blow glass (who doesn't?) but it never quite works out like that.


Madcap, what are you looking to learn? We'd love for you to either come take some classes in person, or take our online classes. We've had a nice 5-6 person class these past few weeks, working on rigs, pendants, pendant rigs, horns, etc.



Please let me know if there's anything I can help resolve, or if there are any demos you guys want to see for On the Torch.

Cheers!
Kevin


I'd love my glassq money back :)




I just PM'd you quix, let's get you squared up :)

[mellofello]

Personally although nevre invloved I am aware that Dustin did nto handle things as well as he could. However it does seem efforts are being made to resolve these issues.

As for the new videos I think they are great, they are clearly shot and clearly explained. For many wanting to learn, espcially outsite of the US they are invaluable as getting to see someone blowing glass is not common or easy.

So far they have been free and it's clear a lot of work has gone into them. I think its that which helps me feel confident in donating towards the videos. A years work is a lto to give out for free on top of the day job. I do hope they leave the current videos availlable for free though of course I can see why this might not happen.

Personally once pay day comes they'll be seeing a donation from myself.

[slaughter]

Glasscraft put out videos you have to pay for and no one complains about that but because dustin/kevin have done it for free and now decide to make it better and need a few dollar to help them along the way people are getting upset, come on now we are all lucky enough that they have done it for free as long as they have we should be grateful they are wanting to help this community thrive there not asking you to break the bank there just asking you to help them help us, i havnt donated yet but plan on it when i get my next paycheck.

[quix]

Theres an old saying, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." The videos on GlassCraft are made by glassblowers who make their living through making end product, they are not teachers or glass school owners. Everyone is just trying to get by and earn a living and I understand that and wish well to all partys but I do not believe there is any comparison between a Eusheen or Coyle seminar and Reveres tutorials.

[Jar-Jar]

i hope they make millions making paid-videos ill be supporting them.

[Nicholas Rado]

when it all comes down to it, if they can make 2 videos a month with the same if not better quality than now, regardless of the politics of if they should or shouldn't ask for donations, $20 for lifetime access to 2 videos a month is a very good deal. even then you don't have to donate that much just whatever you can. if you think of it like a transaction instead of a donation it really is very much worth it. sure you don't "need" to donate to see the videos but they help a lot of people and if they help you then you should support them if the extra cash won't hurt you. just my .02

the $20 is once i get my studio all paid for until then its gunna be around $1-$5, I'm actually going to donate right after i post this, i think you guys should be able to figure out my name and find it on the list :evilLaugh

edit: just donated $5 a month. i linked it to my Facebook that i haven't used in at least 2 years so don't judge the photo

[art vandelay]

when it all comes down to it, if they can make 2 videos a month with the same if not better quality than now, regardless of the politics of if they should or shouldn't ask for donations, $20 for lifetime access to 2 videos a month is a very good deal. even then you don't have to donate that much just whatever you can. if you think of it like a transaction instead of a donation it really is very much worth it. sure you don't "need" to donate to see the videos but they help a lot of people and if they help you then you should support them if the extra cash won't hurt you. just my .02

the $20 is once i get my studio all paid for until then its gunna be around $1-$5, I'm actually going to donate right after i post this, i think you guys should be able to figure out my name and find it on the list :evilLaugh

edit: just donated $5 a month. i linked it to my Facebook that i haven't used in at least 2 years so don't judge the photo

props to nick rado, hes on the list of patreons. http://www.patreon.com/revereglass?u=345820&ty=p
way to walk it out bro.

and p.s. that photo is hella fly, keep styling brother

[Wilbur]

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[art vandelay]

http://youtu.be/pxjZM-d_ShI

[Greymatter Glass]

sorry, Wilbur wins this round's meme-off.

[art vandelay]

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