Pricing

[Jackass Glass]

The us 33 thread got me thinking about pricing....

For funsies what should these sell for:

To a shop: $?

Instagram: $?

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[H1JACK3R]

I'd be looking to get between 150-200 for all three to a shop, or about 100 a piece direct to a person. Don't sell yourself short, looking good brother!

[BlairArtGlass]

Shops pay 1/2 retail, that simple. Its called keystone pricing, and every shop I've talked to or delt with uses it. I charge $10-$15 per wigwag in a piece wholesale to a shop, and some for assembly. I do most of my pricing based on what I as a customer would be willing to pay for the piece.

[Mute]

Those connections just don't look worked to me.

I wouldn't sell them, like that.

Fix'em then sell.

To me it is all about shaping before you can actually sell things. Those aren't finished. 5 or 10 more minutes in the flame and they would be done.

Selling them like that is only selling yourself short.

They may last forever like that, who knows. Customers dont , so technically it wouldn't matter to some, possibly most. But IMO it hurts the better artist/worker.

Someone who takes the time to fully shape and finish their art, now has to compete with that. An unfinished product.

Just my .02¢

[Jackass Glass]

Those connections just don't look worked to me.

I wouldn't sell them, like that.

Fix'em then sell.

To me it is all about shaping before you can actually sell things. Those aren't finished. 5 or 10 more minutes in the flame and they would be done.

Selling them like that is only selling yourself short.

They may last forever like that, who knows. Customers dont , so technically it wouldn't matter to some, possibly most. But IMO it hurts the better artist/worker.

Someone who takes the time to fully shape and finish their art, now has to compete with that. An unfinished product.

Just my .02¢

they are 100% melted in and they are the shape that i wanted them to be.

[Mute]

Hard to argue with that.

If that's how u want it...idk what to say. I guess I find it hard to believe someone would purposely make that shape. Say you were sketching out a drawing, I just find it hard to believe that would be in the drawing.

Not trying to badmouth your stuff. Just hear a lot of people say, that's how I wanted it...when in fact the thing they were trying to replicate doesn't have that and is in fact the shape of a step within the shaping procedure. Does that make sense?

If we were working together, I'd work one the way I expect them to be and you could tell me if you liked it or not.

[Misfitman]

i know what your saying because i used to make sherlocks where the top of the seal looked like that, that hard angle from one piece to the next, i wonder what the weld would look like if you cut it in half. its a sexy piece, Like mute said im not trying to take anything away from your piece.

[Sparko]

Wow, i was thinking about Misha's post on that thread and was thinking how we need to come together and talk about prices more. We would need to examine every possibility for making some sort of pricing platform that will be consistent across the country. Obviously some areas have a higher income level but that shouldn't change the price of a rig should it? To figure out this problem were going to have to examine more the one solution to the problem before deciding how to go about it. Maybe there's no linear way to price a pipe...I guess thats a possibility too.

[jr23]

Jackass is a online friend of mine and I get what your saying .

If you look at the top side or inside of u bend it almost has a crease .

I see lots of folks have same look in that spot .

Not saying anything bad but personally I don't like that appearance .

Usually I notice it with newer workers that fear if they go any further in that area it gets way to thick and they have not learned how to used gravity and head keep that from happening.

But always it's prob worked in and fine .

Just giving my two cents . Hope you don't take it like I'm bagging on ya .

[Jackass Glass]

totally appreciate the comments everyone. i see that it looks like its got a hard edge in the pic. its just very close and an illusion of the photo, you can run your finger nail over it and its smooth.

[Shattered Dreams]

it may be smooth at the junction, but i think what they are trying to convey is that the pipe looks like two pieces stuck together, instead of one flowing piece of glass. if it was worked a little more, get the areas next to the seal soft, and make them transition together smoother and not so abrupt. it would probably look even better, and who wouldnt want to strive for even better, right?

[Nomad]

Nice I would try to get $100 each. Maybe at least $65 though. I have problems wholesale prices above that.


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[snoopdog6502]

Nice I would try to get $100 each. Maybe at least $65 though. I have problems wholesale prices above that.


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That's about what my area would pay too.

[Jackass Glass]

Thanks nomad and snoop.

[Mute]

That figures. No thank you to the people who gave you positive criticism. Just the ones that said what you like...smfh sheez

Couldn't be people throwing salt in game?

Well I would sell those for 100$. To an unnamed shop. Couldn't be over inflation? Possibly self perpetuated.

Example.

Car salesman asks how much he should sell a used car for. Other salesman says to sell it for 2000$. While he is slangin them out the back door for 1000$....lol

Classic

[H1JACK3R]

That figures. No thank you to the people who gave you positive criticism. Just the ones that said what you like...smfh sheez

Couldn't be people throwing salt in game?

Well I would sell those for 100$. To an unnamed shop. Couldn't be over inflation? Possibly self perpetuated.

Example.

Car salesman asks how much he should sell a used car for. Other salesman says to sell it for 2000$. While he is slangin them out the back door for 1000$....lol

Classic

He asked for pricing help, and then said thank you for the pricing help. I don't see the problem here. Perhaps it's because I didn't understand the example.

[Mute]

He asked for pricing help, and then said thank you for the pricing help. I don't see the problem here. Perhaps it's because I didn't understand the example.

Probably

[SavageGerbil]

He asked for pricing help, and then said thank you for the pricing help. I don't see the problem here. Perhaps it's because I didn't understand the example.

I think the mix-up is from Jackass thanking eveyone for their comments, getting 2 more quotes afterwards and thanking them specifically. Think if you missed the previous post, Mute maybe took it as a backhanded "thanks for nothing" to everyone else.

Anyways, the example he gave would be messed up. Telling your competition to bid high so your offer is better. I don't see it as all that likely to happen here. Ideally because we're a community, but also since we're wide-spread enough to where self interest of that type shouldn't get in the way too often

[Mute]

Heresy= 1 infraction point...

[SavageGerbil]

Heresy?

[MUPH]

Heresy?

Don't bother trying to understand... he felt under appreciated then had a temper tantrum. Moving on

[Mute]

Underappreciated, slightly.

More concerned about the thoughts that these pieces in question were finished. They aren't finished.

If we could all get on the same page, as to what is sellable and what isn't. That would be great.

I could say all day that this or that is worth X amount. Doesn't make it true. What makes it true is making the piece and deciding what you need to sell it for, based on the time and effort devoted.

If you are trying to compete with import prices you'll never make it, running yourself out of biz.

The same can be said about competing with imaginary price points.

If you need to know what heresy is look it up. Then fill in the blanks.

[Sparko]

Jackass was looking for solid numbers for "funsies". Your comment should have been "They're not finished, $0" and been done with it. Its crazy your getting so worked up over a couple cell phone pictures and people not directly responding to what you were saying, but its the combination of the two that escalates it into past crazy.

[Mute]

What's even crazier is it didn't feel like I was even getting worked up. Lol just making statements about how I seen things.

[Sparko]

You really think so ? Maybe it will just happen on its own over time. Like 20 years or something, because as more countries and states legalize the market is going to fluctuate like crazy. Pyro said she used to sell something for "x" back then and now its not like that but i think it could easily be again one day too.

[Nomad]

I don't think one thing has anything to do with the other. The market has changed though. I sell more pipes than ever actually.
Yes I do sell simple bubblers for $13.50 each. But look on the brighter side please. Materials are cheaper now and I can make a lot more of them. Not to mention glassblowing torch technology has made it cheaper to run the torch.

[Nomad]

To tell you the truth my glass always sold for less than $200 each retail also. That might have made a difference.

[PyroChixRock]

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[nineteen73glass]

I looked at this thread when it started and I will say that I personally wouldnt sell them to anyone unless was truly discounted huge. I will say that the colors and lines look good but I completely dislike the connections on the sections. I think you have talent but the way I was taught by an old school guy was imagine shrinking yourself way down to size and ride a skate board all around the piece inside and out. and if your board would stick like it hit a rut or an angle like shown on those pics you would fall flat on your face.

So like I said when a piece is done you can skateboard it! in and out.... otherwise your joint is not truly strong and will cause problems down the line.. Other than that spot on all of them your work looks like you have some talent. Good luck to you ! constructive criticism is always good .. I love the glass and take pride true pride in my work.. my lines dont look as good cause that is not my style, I like the organic and mixing of colors so keep it up just something to work on... I don't think mute is out of order

I am in Iowa and I watched a few guys that I dont believe make a good product at all and trying to ask the same prices as me and it pissed me off too, so I can understand everyones point.. we all have our own mission and pride...

SKATE BOARD all of your connections and you will be fine...