What would you do?

[chayes]

Ok so me being a nice guy i loan a friend 6 tubes of 32mm heavy wall. This was several months ago. He has made no attempt to pay it back, and in the meantime he orders up a enormous kiln has it delivered to my place. No problem. So his kiln gets delivered and he uncrates it leaves the crating, saying he'd come back and pick it up. While he's picking up the kiln i ask him about the tubes oh sure sure i'll get ya back he says. Two days later he calls me and says he's coming into town to get a k tank. Well i thought he'd pick up the crating from the kiln while he's in town. Nope.

So now its three weeks later. I ended up having to pay to have his crating disposed of and i haven't got a single tube back either. Its not like he hasn't got a case of tubing for himself since then, and he could of easily payed me back. Top it all off he calls me, blah blah blah i'm gonna be taking a 300$ class with blah blah. It just seems like he has money to blow and is flat out dodging any type of payment to me. Its things like this that makes me not wanna help people out. :bangHead:

Well i hope some day i get my tubing back and reimbursement for being a garbage disposal.

[Mark F]

That suck man, too bad you couldn't of taken his kiln until he paid you back.
Sorry to hear about that BS.

[homer]

I would flat out confront the individual. Not speaking up and not demanding prompt action implies that his behavior is justified... It seems most people are afraid of confrontation these days, and that perpetuates the bullshit because everyone thinks they can get away with whatever....

I would have taken the crating to his house, thrown it in his yard. Then knocked on his door and demanded some glass.

[glasspapi]

I would write it off as a loss. If he hasnt gotten you back on the tubing yet, he obviously has no intention to or at least on his list of priorties, your pretty fucking low on the list. For one...its a little bit of your bad. I mean we all make mistakes but come on, guys like that are easy to spot a mile off. Moochers come a dime a dozen. I mean give you some props for being nice enough to help him out but I would have given him 3 2mm rods to play with, then its no big loss and if he doesnt have the money for tubing he needs to hit the blvd and pull some johns.

ask him straight up, where the fuck is the payback for me helping you? If he doesnt have anything to pay you back with there on the spot...write him off. Black list the chump and take it as a lesson learned. Chumps like that never come out on top in the long run anyways. You are better off not knowing him and not thinking about him.

[BIRDMAN]

Fuk That Dudez Couch !!!!!!! I Would Let Him Know He Is A Doosh-bag !!!!

[Joseph Corcoran]

Homer said it best.

Letting ANY problem with money sit is the dumbest thing possible.

Confront the situation head-on.

:bangHead: :tantrum: :jump:

[homer]

I would write it off as a loss.


Thats exactly what I am talking about.... Everyone just says "ahh, blow it off, its your loss...learn from your mistake" blah blah blah...

People are getting to the point where they feel no need to be RESPONSIBLE for their own actions..... and I think a big part of it is due to the lax attitude that a lot of people display when they get fucked over. That just fuels the fire.

CONFRONT HIM. DONT BE A PANSY.

[IrieGuy05]

"I would have taken the crating to his house, thrown it in his yard. Then knocked on his door and demanded some glass."

So umm are you going to be paying me that $100 pretty soon then?? Or even a small headdie?
I just noticed your real stoked on people getting the money their owed.. just wondering what the deal is.

[skip]

You are kidding Irieguy???? I remember Homer posted on this board and said he was going to pay you back like almost a year ago....

Homer you should make things right buddy....

[chayes]

well i hope the deal is he gives me 6 tubes of glass. I have in the past loaned him supplies and had a full return. So i expected it to go that way. But i guess i should have expected this kind of behavior from someone who was let down when he wasn't rich after 6 months on a lynx. No shit true story.

[lucidvisions]

Let him know what's up and then make a vow never to do it again. I will never give supplies, rental time, ect.. again without full payment. Funny thing is most people aren't thinking of you or your sacrifices you're making for them, so I don't even do it anymore. Sounds pretty bitter but it's completely true. I could be up quite a few thousand bucks if I wasn't so nice. I just spent two weeks on the phone making sure I got paid the $36.40 I was owed. I wasn't a dick about it, I just called three times a day until three weeks later "payment is goona be dropped off". We'll see, it's almost time to get calling again. I also agree with confrontation, this is business and if you're owed, it's up to you to get your money. I'm just tired of tracking down money from clients, galleries, friends, shopmates, ect. So I won't do it again.

[Brett A Tam]

It's called Karma.

[BlueDevil]

it happens everywhere bro. Loan friends supplies or $ and not hear shit till they need something else. It's happened here a few times. Folks think you'll forget or something, but I know i don't. They always have the $ to go accross the country to shows, buy supplies, get new toys etc. but paying back those owed is never top priority. Take it as a lesson learned. Don't get me wrong, try and get whats owed to ya, but now you know better than to ever help them out again.

[broken glass]

I don't condone violence, however, after a certain amount of time, certain people are right offs. If something random happened to them, Kall it Karma.

[homer]

LOL... thats funny chuck, I was thinking about that as I was posting... Nothing like being the prime example...

You get a hold of me, you have my number and a PM... I have a nice care package for ya, just need an address....Hurry up, I am going out of town for a week. Otherwise, you can start bashing and flaming my persona in the internet kingdom.

[Micah Evans]

Don't get me started on helping people out for little or no gratitude, it happens all the time. Sometimes you have to be the bigger person and move on knowing the kind of person that would do something like that is a waste of skin and a bigger waste of your time. Just put it behind you and move on, and chuckle to yourself that you ever let it bother you in the first place.......

[Nips916]

I think you should take a submission grappling class then put his ass to sleep..... I only say that because hes telling you about buying all kinds of stuff and not showing you the love you showed him. I dont know, maybe you should just man up and say something to his face about it, sometimes people forget things. If hes still dicking you around, you know what to do.

[skip]

people do forget things. Ask him about it nicely. If he is your bro how hard could it be to say "Where's my "whatever"". If you don't don't post here about it lol....

[Devils Defect]

While he's picking up the kiln i ask him about the tubes oh sure sure i'll get ya back he says.

He already asked him :tongue2:

[the0ther0ne]

chayes,
Its what other peeps have said... Karma. The positive side of karma is with you bro. You may not get your tubes back, but something good will come your way. Do good and good will follow you. I know what its like being the "good guy", I'm the same damn way. I might not get it back, but, something good always seems to follow after. so really, in time he'll learn, not you.
peace,
Dave

[Swampy]

My sentiments entirely, Dave.

My philosophy is that when someone does me a favour I do my best to pass it forward to someone else, on the same day.

and Chris that character wasn't your friend. It was someone who took advantage of your good nature. For someone who makes such neat glass to look at, you don't deserve that okay.

I know when I get fucked over it saps my energy and my creativity cos I get distracted.

My lifetime experience is to be aware of that situation happening so if and when it does happen I am prepared and know how to react to it.

Kind of like remembering something that made you really fucking angry. and you get really angry all over again as you go through the sequence of events in your mind.

So either don't remember it or deal with it by coming to some kind of solution in your own mind of how you will cope.

Madas, this got heavy for so soon in the morning! Anyway, wherever you are, I hope you are able to see through the distractions and focus on the target, not all the camouflage covering it. Look through the cover, not at it!

Paul

[Greymatter Glass]

first mistake: You call this guy a friend. You probably have way too many "friends" and not enough aquaintances and associates and just people you kinda know. It can be troublesome to count every person you know as a friend. I have maybe 5-6 true friends and about 5000 aquaintances, many of them you guys :) Just because I've met someone and hung out a few times doesn't mean I'm going to call that person my friend. For one thing, friends will never rip you off like this without a damn good reason, and at that they will feel terrible for doing you wrong. This guy obviously doesn't think of you as a friend, so why reciprocate unequally?

Second: Don't just wite it off. If you can collect the money/materials he owes you do so. Don't resort to violence, vandalism, or petty BS, that just puts you in the wrong. I would however confront him in a reasonable way and say: Look, you took 6 tubes from me - if you have ANY intention of paying me back do it _NOW_ or I'll consider the property stolen. - If he's got the cash he'll pay, if he wants to be a dick (and certainly NOT your friend) then he'll blow you off, and you then have other options.

You could take him to small claims court

You could file a stolen property report with the Po Po.

You could continue to dog him at home, at work, in public, anywhere you find him.

Of course, none of those rank too high on ther Karma scale. So your last option is to write him off, but don't do it passively, tell him you are going to write off the tubes and consider them stolen. If he has a chance to pay you back later fine, but he has to know he's paying for what he stole, not what he bought, and you still consider him a theif.

The lessons you can learn from this are many and invaluble.

First off, any time you do business, with a friend or a total stranger, _ALWAYS_ write a 2 part reciept (a generic receipt book is 99¢ at staples). Friends that give you trouble over paperwork are not your friends, just people looking to take advantage of a situation (that situation being you think they're your friends when they're not). Once you have that paper that says they owe you something, if they don't pay in the agreed upon period of time (has to be written on the recipt, with a date, and a signature) then you just sell the debt to a collections agency.

Alternatively, just make a habit of not fronting anything to people you've recently met (like recently as in less than 5-10 years), because this is a good way to ruin an otherwise genuine start to a friendship. If someone comes to you in need of materials and they don't have the cash make them an offer to work for you for an hour per tube or something. Have them pull stringers or sweep the floors, or SOMETHING of value to you. Or, send them packing.


Also, if someone needs glass to make some money, they do _NOT_ need 6 tubes. Front them ONE tube, have them make whatever they make for cash, and then BUY the other 5 tubes off you. A friend will understand and play by your rules...a normal aquaintance will accept the rules as law, if they pout or act all funny about it, they're just trying to scam you from the get go.


Last, always offer them this sagely advice: YAHOO. You Always Have Other Options.

-Doug

[Lambs Bread]

yeah i just think that you should say look here give me what im owed. he has a choice to do it or not than you can pick between writting it off ....or dumping your big can of glass scrap on his bench....gotta love childish revenge...i actually dont know what to say but you know he is going to be the best glass blower in the world soon. ever since he took that class from hops....hahahahah yeah right

[JANKYglass]

hey homer dont let chuck sweat you on what you owe him,he's owed me for 2 years now and after multiple empty promises its appearent he has no intention of making right.

personally if i was close enough to someone who owed me $$, THEY WOULDNT OWE ME $$.

[Satori]

First off, listen to Doug. Good advice in his post.

Second, are you guys all really this bad at repaying debts? I know that when I have a debt of any kind, I do my best to repay it as quickly as possible. I don't like owing money or goods or services to anyone. So when I do borrow money or goods or services from someone, I make it a point to repay them promptly.

Janky, Homer, and Irie. Looks like you guys have a little chain of unpaid debt. If all accusations are assumed true, Homer owes Chuck, and Chuck owes Janky. Correct? I don't know dollar amounts or whatever...but I bet Homer, that you could just pay Janky what you owe Chuck and call it square. Then everyone would be happy (except maybe Chuck for getting bypassed...but at least he'd be debt free...or at least this debt would no longer exist.)

Oh, and Jahlove...how old are you? Would you really dump a big can of glass scrap on someone's bench? What do you think that would accomplish? Would that get you your money back? Do you really want to act like a child?

[harpentuan]

THey sound like a dumbass addict. get your tubes physically, then sever ties with 'em. make sure they know you dont want 'em around anymore. Sounds like the kinda things that many fouit loops, some have been on here, say.

[IrieGuy05]

"hey homer dont let chuck sweat you on what you owe him,he's owed me for 2 years now and after multiple empty promises its appearent he has no intention of making right.

personally if i was close enough to someone who owed me $$, THEY WOULDNT OWE ME $$.
Reply With Quote"

Oh snap, I completly forgot about that...

[IrieGuy05]

"Janky, Homer, and Irie. Looks like you guys have a little chain of unpaid debt. If all accusations are assumed true, Homer owes Chuck, and Chuck owes Janky. Correct? I don't know dollar amounts or whatever...but I bet Homer, that you could just pay Janky what you owe Chuck and call it square. Then everyone would be happy (except maybe Chuck for getting bypassed...but at least he'd be debt free...or at least this debt would no longer exist.)"

Yeah since I didn't really count on getting paid, or even remember that I owed dude I guess I'm back where I started..

[JANKYglass]

hey chuck how bout this.sense i dont even use a pipe anymore,how about you make something and send it to matt and misha to help them out.

[skip]

Damn Chuck your a dope too...!!! All these slackers make this place scary lol... No wonder I don't participate in those trades .....

[Dale M.]

Learn to just say "no".

Dale

[3 rip min]

First off, listen to Doug. Good advice in his post.

Oh, and Jahlove...how old are you? Would you really dump a big can of glass scrap on someone's bench? What do you think that would accomplish? Would that get you your money back? Do you really want to act like a child?


i heard about someone doing this just last year... losers!!! i think he broke the dudes glasses also.. lol...

[Lambs Bread]

no i wouldnt it was a joke.im suprised you could even take that seriously. and i dont need you fatherly advise thank you just lighten up a lil and take a joke

[IrieGuy05]

Yeah light up and take a toke man.. haha sorry

[skip]

Jesus christ what did I walk into a reggae club....

between irie guy and Jah love....

I am getting a contact high ...

It's like that one commercial with the white guy with the dreadlock wig on the beach trying to pimp on the girl and he was all like I gotta tell you something.

Kidding

[e-jipt]

yea dude, i was told if you loan a guy $20 and never see him again it's $20 well spent. $20 worth of selflessness is worth more than $20 is cash any day. Trust before suspicion, love before hate. If that guy doesn't pay you back the universe will. Peace.

[Julian]

I agree with e-jipt...
If I loaned someone $50 and never saw them again, then it cost $50 to find out how much that person sucks.