How many writers?

[D110V8D]

Dont know if this has been asked before but I'll ask anyway.

How many of you guys/gals are either still writing or used to write? By writing I mean painting and by painting I mean doing grafitti.

Reason I ask is I used to write (still do every now and then) and I find it has a huge influence on my glass art. Alot of the stuff I see on gp looks very graff inspired.

Just curious is all.

Mick

[Gibsons Glassworks]

done a bit here and there. i wish i wrope more, and planed out my work more soemtimes

[jello]

I did for years... then I went to jail for it.... so with that........ my lesson... dont fuck with other ppls shit. do not deface ppls shit.. but... I still write on my own shit.

respect ppls shit. dont write on ppls shit. write my own shit...

6 shits

[harpentuan]

Aw, I thought you meant a pen and ink type writer.

[β]

respect ppls shit. dont write on ppls shit. write my own shit...



HELL YA.

[D110V8D]

So is this a debate on the ethics of wether it's right or wrong now or????

[jello]

So is this a debate on the ethics of wether it's right or wrong now or????

Nope. just my thoughts.

[misled youth]

dont touch my SHIT!!! thats just gross!!!
i got a tagger hopefully comin out to my shop in the next few weeks to do a wall for me.

[D110V8D]

Nope. just my thoughts.

Fair enough.

Graff should stay on trains IMO. Obviously it has moved off trains and into/onto private property. This has it's good points and bad points.Either way I think it has come along way from being seen as just vandalism to having a place in modern art galleries etc.

BTW I'm mainly refering to pieces rather than throw ups and tags, though they still have their place in the whole scheme of things.

So anyway to get back to what I was getting at.....do any of you writers/ex writers find that your glass art is influenced by your involvment in graffiti art?

Mick

[Harry Paratesteez]

I guess my glass art is in someway inspired by my graff.
But I see it mostly in color combos and things like that.
I always felt I could express myself better w/ a can than a torch.
There seems to be very few rules when it comes to painting trains, you paint whats on yer mind or whats been on yer mind.
W/ glass there are all sorts of other variables.
I never had a graff piece blow up in front of me if it got to cool or to hot.
and Ive never had a painting cut me or burn me.
I do go home w/ paint on my fingers but.....deff not the same thing.
But the main difference I notice is that I have never made one dollar doing graff.....Ive made alot doing glass.

I feel to me graff and glass are similar in alot of ways........
but worlds apart in others..



PIece,
MAtt

[Harry Paratesteez]

Btw.....
Tags, burners, and pieces made their way off of walls and onto trains.
and then everywhere after that.
A train is private property, so is any wall Ive every SEEN.
Unless you own it and you paid for it....it belongs to someone elese..
If it belongs to a city, or a private citizen, its vandalisim......and I love it!!!
all you guys sayin shit like don't deface private prop makes me think of Mr. Maccky sayin ..."graffitti is bad ...very very bad".......
silly wrighters...tags are for phags.


Piece,
MAtt

[Fire on the mountain]

i used to a lot but just under bridges and behind big stores i didnt feel bad about...i think it does help with the aesthetics of glass since they are both about understanding beauty and balance in simple flowing lines and shapes

[D110V8D]

Also about having style. And a style that is your own.

Colour combos definately relate straight back to graff for me as well.

[kruger]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f338/kpbluffview/afro1.gif

stencils all the way

[JDeMoss]

I write.
By write I mean make art.
By make art I mean blow glass.

I was just remarking to my wife after seeing a bunch of new graffiti that whoever did that needs to be kicked in the nuts really hard. I'm not sure why people feel the need to mess up other peoples shit. And force the rest of us to see our cities turn to shit. When graffitti takes over it starts the spiral down to slumsville. You know what I'm talking about. The quantity over quality bullshit.

Just my opinion. But if people tag around where I live and I see them, it could result in a nut kick (depends on how big they are).

Not trying to bash, that's just how I feel.

And that being said, I love seeing large nice commissioned works of graffitti art. I can even stand to see it a lot of places if it makes it look nice and not like like you ride the short bus.

[FredLight]

In Venice Beach there's a free wall area, when you finish "writing" they "buff" the walls for the next "writer".

My nephew and his girl go there and spend up to three hours on one wall, then they photograph it,and split as its being buffed over.

The paint is said to be 6 inches thick in places.

In it's proper place, I appreciate it. Anywhere else, nut-kick.

[yinzer]

i ride the short bus

[Rexwerx]

Hey now,

I used to write, big time, when I lived downtown L.A. Mostly in places that are known basically only to other writers (graffitti yards), pretty much legal to paint there. Places like Venice, or the Belmont yard, I used to know about 5 or 6 yards back then. But I have bombed illegally alot too under a different name. Big murals tho, on government walls only (freeways, bridges, etc.), not little tags that are the reason the cops break your fingers when they catch you.

You can see a lot of my pieces in the Powell Parelta video called "Ban This". I used to write "Dope," those are cool pieces, but they are old though, that video is from like '88 I think.

I see the graffitti art pieces and the whole sccene very similar to glass in many ways. the streaks, fills, control of the medium, competition in underground circles, themes, underground status (street cred), crews of people passing around ideas, and generally doing something that kind of makes you an outlaw, but makes certain people happy by just seeing it at the same time...

I still paint, but only like once or twice a year, and I only do it where people actually want it to stay. I painted the front of a headshop here in Orlando about a year ago, and still draw a lot, but I kicked the can buying habit.

..........Bird

[D110V8D]

Hey now,

I used to write, big time, when I lived downtown L.A. Mostly in places that are known basically only to other writers (graffitti yards), pretty much legal to paint there. Places like Venice, or the Belmont yard, I used to know about 5 or 6 yards back then. But I have bombed illegally alot too under a different name. Big murals tho, on government walls only (freeways, bridges, etc.), not little tags that are the reason the cops break your fingers when they catch you.

You can see a lot of my pieces in the Powell Parelta video called "Ban This". I used to write "Dope," those are cool pieces, but they are old though, that video is from like '88 I think.

I see the graffitti art pieces and the whole sccene very similar to glass in many ways. the streaks, fills, control of the medium, competition in underground circles, themes, underground status (street cred), crews of people passing around ideas, and generally doing something that kind of makes you an outlaw, but makes certain people happy by just seeing it at the same time...

I still paint, but only like once or twice a year, and I only do it where people actually want it to stay. I painted the front of a headshop here in Orlando about a year ago, and still draw a lot, but I kicked the can buying habit.

..........Bird

This what I'm talkin about. Opinions from non writers don't mean shit.

Word up Bird. I have seen that vid. I've seen "Dope" pieces too in photos an shit.

[Din]

I never do big layups, or anything large or indiscreet. I like to do well placed haikus, or other small poems,and focus of my freehand writing style. But content and placement are vital. Very rarely do I ever consider this defacement of property.

-Din

[kruger]

stencils are what im into, and now that im better at sandblasting and getting into gral, all the street inspiration from stencils, and the stencils i make can be put onto glass.

outlines, fills and color transitions, bubbles, arrows/spikes all that definatly transposes into glass

mostly im inspired by stencils though...they carry more meaning than just a name...which is at least in the city im in, what its all about...street fame and getting up the most...quanity over quality...which is the opposit of my philosophy...but the hip hop culutre is my life, and i try to put as much into it as i can into my glass, however ive accepted that glass pays the bills...i use music as something to go to to express what i fully want to do, its not for money, not for fame, not for anything, just because i LOVE doing it, and i NEED to do it for one reason...myself. there is a closer connection right now between my music and my graf than with my glass{but that is starting to change now that i can bust out stencisl on glass}

-------->think big<---------

--------------->REVOLT<--------------



heres a few flicks
bikes are the best way to view an art exhibit...http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f338/kpbluffview/bike.gif

and this piece i picked up from RW from the mo foes vizuals crew this cat in austin who had an art show that had Cut Chemist , Pigeon John, members of the Lifesavas and Quannum crew...blacaliscious...etc........http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f338/kpbluffview/868464cd.jpg

[FredLight]

???

Nice attitude. If you didn't want non-"writers" opinions, you could've posted on a Graff Forum instead.

I spit.

[JDeMoss]

This what I'm talkin about. Opinions from non writers don't mean shit.

Nut Kick

By the way my opinion should count, because I said "I write, by write I mean make art, by make art I mean blow glass". See, I write. But then again maybe you should just ignore me. I like to play the role of The Man, and keep everyone down. It's just more fun.
Carry on.

[BIRDMAN]

Like A Ninja........... Baby

[Rexwerx]

Hey,

These are both art forms... Anybody who sees enough of it can discriminate good art from bad art in any medium, be it glass, spray paint, or marble sculpture. Although opinions may differ, they do form after being exposed to something. Thanks for the props bro, and right back at ya, but everyone here does have an opinion that needs to be heard, that is how we get to the bottom of things, by talking them through, we are all in the same tribe here.

It took me about a year to learn to blow glass (I was self taught and had nobody to ask any questions exept watching my freinds for one week in Eugene before I had a torch, then breaking a shit ton of glass), at least until I considered myself OK at making glass pipes and felt comfortable at making production bubblers/spoons/etc... and about three or four years until I started selling anything nice. I realize people learn a lot faster these days, but again, I was living in Florida and was litterally one of two glassblowers in this town at the time and did not know him to trade ideas with at that time either. I just banged my head against the wall 'till I busted a hole in it. Again, it took about a year.:bangHead:

It took me about four or five years to just get "can control" in painting graffitti, then another two or three years to learn my own style of doing it. I have never used a stencil, or have I ever painted any piece I have drawn/thought out twice. I never "tagged" anything. I did murals. Each one different from the last. I never made a dime off of it (until recently). In fact I used to work construction at the time doing concrete work, and spent more than half of my paychecks on cans for years and years. Never stole them. I used to spend about 2-3 hundred bucks a week on cans.

I never did it to "get up", or get "all city" as much as possible either. I did it because I love that type of art. I approach glass very much in the same manner (exepting I get paid for what I do in the glass shop), as far as not repeating myself. Though I do actually blow production work at times in glass, where as in graffitti, as I said, I have never painted the same thing twice.

Stencils are cheating in my head, but that is just in my approach to painting, it took me to long to learn how to make paint cans do the things you need to make them do in graffitti murals to go and use a stencil anywhere, I use nothing but spray cans, it,s kind of like comparing a mold glass candy dish to a hand made pyrex candy dish. Using stencils to paint a logo over and over is something that probably takes some thought to make up the stencil, but is not graffitti art, it is tagging at best in my opinion.

Man, I gotta stop posting again. I cause rukus, that is just all there is to it....

.............Bird

[HaulAss]

Word up to biking around town..

[kruger]

Stencils are cheating in my head, but that is just in my approach to painting, it took me to long to learn how to make paint cans do the things you need to make them do in graffitti murals to go and use a stencil anywhere

in my opinion stencils have more of a meaning or a statment than most of the tagging i see around. it takes a long time from the concept, photoshoping, endless hours of tedious cutting-which gives you a bunch of bitchy blisters-finding the right placement for your piece. since they have more of a statement, the back of any building, or just any old freight might not be the prime placement for what your throwin up. you gota find the audience your lookin for, then put yourself in their shoes, and think about what there around and what they see.

im in no way disrespecting tags, and murals.....that whole scene just isnt me...

[Rexwerx]

Hey,

I have made many many stencils and know how to use photoshop. I too do graal work and know what goes into it, I have an exacto set, a sandblaster, resist paper, and a scanner as well.

I just don,t concider stencils graffitti art, nor do I consider tagging graffitti art. I can make a stencil in one sitting and use it a hundred times, just like I could sit down and make up a tag and repeat it hundreds of times, that is not what I used to do that is all.

It takes endless hours to make up the drawings alone for one single mural. I would say just the drawing for one good mural (say 25 or 30 cans) would take more time to think up and draw out than designing and making an entire stencil, let alone actually taking that drawing, and idea, from a piece of paper and transfering that with spray cans, with no stencils or tape on to a huge wall or train which also takes about 6 hours of skilled work.

Once you are done with one stencil on the other hand, you can use it hundereds of times. I guess I just consider that cheating, no bettter than tagging, or just trying to get "all city." I mean why else would you want to say the exact same thing, the exact same way, over and over? Unless you are saying you only use your stencils once then destroy them, then I apologize, give you mad respect, and would like to see some more of your stuff.

It also takes a certain head for the styles that go around to make the fonts and fills used in graffitti that you don,t just sit down and figure out, it takes a lot of wasted cans and endless hours of devotion, and being a fan of others art as well to learn what is cool. It takes more time and resources than glass I would say to learn, and you don,t get paid, and your shit gets painted over.

It is very similar to making glass pipes in that good pipemakers know good pipes and when you make up something cool, everyone in those circles gets inspired by it, and if you are in those circles you get inspired by them, I have never been inspired yet by a tagger. I have seen the wisdom of the idiots in the street poets, but that is again, different each time.

You don,t just make your first graffitti burner and your good at it. Like I said it is a refined skill that goes WAY beyond stencils. I hate to even talk to you like that man, but facts is facts... Once you stand in my shoes, you can tell me I don,t know what I am talking about. I have made stencils so much my face is turning blue by now. I been burnin' graffitti since 1984, makin stencils since around 1975 when my 'ol grandad taught me how.

You know, this is kind of wierd talking about this with people who are not into doing it themselves. It,s kind of like a veteran glassblower talking to sombody who has seen three headpieces in his life, about making a ring seal, or reversals. Or explaining the difference between a molded candy dish and a hand made one of a kind borosilicate candy dish.

Anyhow, I hope we can still sit and have a beer one day, and were all cool.

............Bird

[kruger]

i wana see some of these big pieces your talkin about

ive seen a few of those pieces but not to many...never any around here. dallas right now is crackin down hard on graf.{this city was so much better when we had a crooked police chief} thats one main reason i like stencils, its easy and quick to hit the right spots for the message i want to put across. i never go out and get up, i'll use a stencil more than once, but nothing close to being a street whore.


Anyhow, I hope we can still sit and have a beer one day, and were all cool.
im down
if your ever passing through texas, or virgina hit me up and we can further this over a beer

[yinzer]

if your ever passing through texas, or virgina hit me up and we can further this over a beer


beer?!?! you cant drinkbeer yet!!!:D

[Rexwerx]

Hey,

Like I said, they paint over most of them. If you want to see some stuff from around 1988 go rent the video called (Bones Brigade 6, "Ban This"), and watch for murals that say "Dope" in them, those would all be mine, I don,t know who was following me there, but somebody from Powell Peralta (Stacy, if it was you, I am free to design board$, deck$, or whatever$), whoever it was, seemed to like my stuff that year enough to shoot basically only my stuff in four different pretty obscure, hard to find, in the wrong part of town yards for fills in the middle of the video. I never even knew about it at all until other writers started telling me about it in graffitti yards, and I went to the skate shop and got me a copy.

It never made me a dime, but I got some heavy street credit for it. The pieces in that video are from yards I was talking about in Downtown L.A. (Belmont St. yard), and Venice Beach, as well as a local empty pool, and the Vermont St. yard, which is also in Downtown L.A. where I lived at the time. As I said they are old and I had only been painting about four years then, but most are still probabably about 15-20 can pieces and are still what I consider pretty decent work. I have also been in a few of the really thin (like comic book thin) graffitti mags in the early 1990s, but those are really rare to even see, let alone get ahold of.

I don,t keep photos of my stuff. I have a friend with some photos of stuff we did together and stuff I did solo he has photos of, if I can get him to mail me a few I will scan them and post them on one of my sites and link them up for you, but the only flicks I have in my posession right now are in that video. I never really cared about recording things back then, I just wanted to do it, to do it, I was young and in love with/addicted to, painting.

I mostly use a paint brush and canvas now when I paint. www.daysbetweenworkshop.com/jerry.html that is one of my canvas pieces, but I have not updated the websight in a while either, and that is from ten years ago.

Next time I,m in Austin, I,ll look you up and see if you,ll meet me there. I am a bit scared of the rest of Texas. At least them Rangers you got there... Most folks in them parts think I look a bit like an alien. I have dreads down past my ass...

............Bird

[D110V8D]

Nut Kick

By the way my opinion should count, because I said "I write, by write I mean make art, by make art I mean blow glass". See, I write. But then again maybe you should just ignore me. I like to play the role of The Man, and keep everyone down. It's just more fun.
Carry on.


You know I didn't ask for peoples opinions on graff but asked for people who used to write or still do how or if they think it effects their glass art.

Of course I should have known that some people just can't resist the urge to blurt out whatever comes into their head.

You can keep your nut kicks mate. It's too easy to be threatening over the net now isn't it.:D

Anyway nice to know there are some writers out their now working with glass and still lovin art.

Peace out to all writers and glass artists.

Mick

PS Stencil art doesn't rate in my book. No diss, just my feeling.

[JDeMoss]

You know I didn't ask for peoples opinions on graff but asked for people who used to write or still do how or if they think it effects their glass art.

Fair Enough



Of course I should have known that some people just can't resist the urge to blurt out whatever comes into their head.


Well that should be expected on the internet.
But in this case I thought I should just point out that what you do has an effect on those around you. If someone tags another persons property it is vandalism. If you've ever had someone steal something from you, vandalise your stuff, or whatever, it gives you this wierd feeling that frankly makes you want to dish out a few nut kicks. And besides that part of it, everyone else has to look at it. [here I'm talking about tagging and not the nice stuff that actually looks cool] Frankly, I just feel like it makes a place look like crap. What's wrong with having clean nice cities.[/QUOTE]



You can keep your nut kicks mate. It's too easy to be threatening over the net now isn't it.:D

Yep, it's too easy. But I wasn't really trying to be threatening. I wouldn't have used the term "nut kick" if I was.
I try not to get threatening over the internet, because it's too easy to misunderstand what is trying to be said, or if it's said in sarcasm or whatever. I apologize to anyone that felt threatened that my foot might actually reach through the screen and deliver a nut kick.


But my opinion is the same. I don't like taggers or writers or stencil guys or whatever, if all they are doing is throwing up trash and making things look like crap and destroying property. If it's in the right place or if it is done well and actually inhances the look then I don't really mind it. Or I'm all for work that makes people really think about an important issue.

But whatever, It's not like my opinion is going to keep anyone from tagging on the side of a 7-Eleven.

As I said before....carry on. Didn't mean to hijack anyone's thread.

[HaulAss]

". I don't like taggers or writers or stencil guys or whatever, if all they are doing is throwing up trash and making things look like crap and destroying property. If it's in the right place or if it is done well and actually inhances the look then I don't really mind it. Or I'm all for work that makes people really think about an important issue."

Whatever I'd love to see some nice written street poet type shit anywhere, anything clever that is designed to make people THINK. Its a lot better than advertising or a plain wall, I don't know how you can consider stealing something and writting on something as one in the same. I know people who do long thought out written word type things on their own walls and I think its great I can't come u[ with shit like they do, philsophical shit. One time in Chicago I saw "you have nothing to lose..." written in huge white letters on the side of a black building and I thought it was great, simple stuff like that is cool too and I get it.