View Full Version : so whats everyone doing to keep your shop warm?
Jerry Gash
02-06-2007, 05:36 PM
I was doing the woodburnign stove thing until i ran out of wood right before this big ass cold spell. So i decided to insulate the shit out of my shop and get a propane heater it keeps the shop warm but the exhaust sure does suck aolt of cold air fromt he outside and it does get a little drafty. Ive also noticed my propane use has gone waaay up...imagine that. I figure ill use propane during the week when im only working a few hours a nite, then use the woodburner on the weekends when i work all day....to be honest, im ready for spring.
:bouncy:
somberbear
02-06-2007, 05:43 PM
you can insulate ... weather proof... and then direct your make up air so its coming from under the bench.... it helps keep at least a little of you warm the back side.... but when you step back its normaly better
I use protable IR heaters they work alright in drafts but nothing puts out the btus like a propane in comparison... i also have wood....dress in layors etc... the more i work the warmer i stay... and with a kiln running it helps.
I have a fire proff canvase blanket with micro flease on the other side it keeps the draft from nailing me.... and also a good ramp for peices that drop into my lap. marbles seam to enjoy it the most... as long as im not burned.
i also have an if all else fails supply of Kero and heater
peace
rob
Udai Hussien
02-06-2007, 06:16 PM
setting my apprentices on fire
Meerkat
02-06-2007, 06:19 PM
I have the opposite problem, were in summer now and its 40C (104F) and very humid, and the torch/kiln just adds to that... I cant air condition my shop as it would just be a waste of money with the ventilation sucking out all the cold air.
canaan
02-06-2007, 06:26 PM
Meerkat, forgive my ignorance, but where do you live that its 104 degrees now. Its about 2 here tonight.
Im coming to your house dude.
I bought a us surplus m1941 tent stove from ebay. 120 bucks for a complete setup, stove, flue, damper & spark arrestor. I burn coal - living in a coal region I can pick coal myself from the strip mines for free. This stve puts out 40000 btu on wood, 60000 on coal, and i think 40k on fuel oil/kero - but i wont burn liquid in my shop. The possibility of leaks is a deterrant for me.
for a 12x14 shop this thing will heat to 80 degrees on a 0 degree day with 2 hanfulls of lump coal, and i can open 2 windows and work in a tshirt at 65-70. today was 5 degrees, and with 2 windows open i worked in a tshirt at a comfy 62 degrees.
I had a propane heater last year, but the bills were insane for fuel. coal is free, and for the 120 dollar stove, ive already saved twice that by not burning propane.
newmexicomagma
02-06-2007, 06:40 PM
hey cannan i think meerkat is in australie but i could be wrong. i dont warm my shop i freeze its all about layers.
glassblowingBiker
02-06-2007, 06:44 PM
i just moved my shop to the basment for the rest of the summer or till i find a shop
vetropod
02-06-2007, 07:09 PM
I heat with a wood stove. Most of the time this has been good, although lately it's not been quite enough. I've been getting used to wearing two pairs of pants, three shirts, and a couple of hats...
open the door, its like 70 degrees in south florida
Firekist
02-06-2007, 07:43 PM
i like portable IR heaters as well.
one as a heated footrest, and one pointing down on my head and shoulders.
this year i got some carhartt bib overalls, insulated, and those are pretty impressive. it's too bad that the heaviest weight carhartt's are nylon exteriors. i didn't get those.
heating pad on back, electric blanket on lap, and.. some spaceship cocoon looking silver foil covered bubble wrap as a windblock for my back. i'm ok at -3 or so like this, but i will take a break every 2-3 hours to let the shop warm up a bit. cold pinkies and nose.
z---seth
Emmett's Glass
02-06-2007, 08:49 PM
http://www.bunnyboots.com/
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yinzer
02-06-2007, 08:57 PM
watch/make porn on your safety breaks (heh, porno for pyros.....oh my god im so cheezy.....can you just shoot me now........please........no, really)
i like dwaines idea too
gravdigr
02-07-2007, 07:51 AM
I think I have a solution for the heating problem when I build my new studio. The building is 12'x12' and has a top "floor" like an attic but with taller ceilings like a room. I'm going to use a downdraft oil furnace from a mobile home (blows the heat out the bottom) And put it on the top floor. Then when running the blower I can just open a window or some such upstairs and when the exhause blower sucks the air out of the room it will be passing through the furnace so there will be no cold air coming in the studio room.
Hope that made sense.
Right now with single digit temps and the blower running my little furnace can only keep our 24'x60' building at 53 degrees.
Firekist
02-07-2007, 08:02 AM
the bunny boots emmett posted to are ridiculously hot. i used a pair, and i couldn't wear them unless it was like 20F or less out, or else my feet would sweat. they're unreal for keeping your feet warm.
i'd still be using them if they were mine.
highly recommended!
z--seth
brettodie
02-07-2007, 08:06 AM
portable ir works the best at keeping me warm of anything ive tried over the last 10 yrs. get and electric one the prop. ones work for shit. i work in a tshirta long john shirt and a hoodie with no longjon bottoms. i was comfy when it was 5 out this way. peace brett
UmaJulz
02-07-2007, 08:53 AM
no bottoms, brett? hehehe
I am using a propane furnace on the ground floor and sending 90% of the heat upstairs. I can keep it at 55 up there, no problem- it has low, scissor truss ceilings that are well insulated, and 3" of styro in the walls (it's a pole barn). I figure if I put another layer of batt insulation on top of that, it would be really cozy, up upstairs and down. so far, I haven't used a ton of propane, plus I turn it down to 40-45 at night.
I also use an IR elect heater tower near my bench. Radiant heat just seems to feel warmer. a wood stove sounds appealing, but those of you that have them in your shop, is it a good thing for you? what about more particles in the air? or ventilation affecting the proper drafting of the stove?
Oh, and since I work outside a lot, I have found that a hat does wonders for keeping you a lot warmer- plus redlined carhartts are the bomb... and oh, so attractive...
canaan
02-07-2007, 08:58 AM
Right now with single digit temps and the blower running my little furnace can only keep our 24'x60' building at 53 degrees.
Grave, mid 50's should be cozy while sitting in front of your torch. find yourself a stove and Ill bring you a truckload of coal.
The Bigles
02-07-2007, 09:09 AM
In Minnesota I had a propane heater that could kill a 100 lb tank in a week. I could work at 20 below and would be sweating if it were above 10 degrees. I had two thermometers in the shop. One on the floor and one at the ceiling. There would usually be about a 40 degree difference.
Now I just travel. Colorado is great in the winter.
menty666
02-07-2007, 04:09 PM
I've got two electric heaters out there in my 10 x 12 shed/studio. The bigger quartz one is right behind me, so as the air is sucked from the building out the exhaust the heat passes around me. The other smaller, ceramic heater is on top of the kiln (on top of cement board) and blows out into the room to raise the temps a little. It gets the whole thing to a reasonably comfy 50 degrees. I'm usually good in jeans and a sweatshirt at that temperature.
The only thing that gets particularly chilly is my feet, so I may move the small heater down there. I just need to fasten my fuel lines up off the floor in that case so I'm not heating them.
Sometimes I'll leave my points in front of the big heater so they don't t-shock as badly in the flame.
It was so cold out there today while I wasn't working that my bead release froze. I had to bring it inside to thaw.
Lithomancy
02-07-2007, 04:26 PM
working glass at -8 to -10 below fuckin rocks. sunny days soon.
RCglass
02-07-2007, 07:52 PM
Built the shop last year with electric heat, I keep the thermostat at 60+ when I'm working.
Put my incoming air on the bench to keep the ventilation from pulling the temp down too far.
heres a pic.
somberbear
02-07-2007, 08:04 PM
ummm... is that on the front of your bench... so it draws air from where the combustion and nasties come from? i just dont see it pulling properly....and bypassing the majority of what you want to ventlate?
peace
rob
Primathon
02-07-2007, 08:07 PM
Anyone ever tried these?
http://www.gerbing.com/images/socks/socks.jpg
Random google search turned up this (http://www.gerbing.com/heat/socks.html).
RCglass
02-07-2007, 08:21 PM
it draws fresh air from outside -through insulated ducting from a roof mounted fan.
UmaJulz
02-07-2007, 08:22 PM
wow, the "interconnect suit"- if it were cold enough for me to feel the need for an electric suit, I don't know that my first choice of activiity would be blowing glass.
RC- So that's your make up air, not a cold air return? Is your heat electric baseboard then?
RCglass
02-07-2007, 08:23 PM
It is behind the torch,under the flame so it pushes the nasties up and out the main exhaust vent.
RCglass
02-07-2007, 08:35 PM
Yes - 2 , 1500 watt baseboard heaters. I turn it down to 40 when I'm not there.
Then It takes a hour or so to warm up. shop half of the garage is 26x14 with fairly tall ceiling.
Firekist
02-07-2007, 09:45 PM
i've been tempted several times to tear apart my electric blankets, and sew the heating element into a suit.. a heated suit would use less than 500 watts. that's less than 1/5th of the electric i use now.
mmmmmm z--seth
ShttrdSpctrm
02-07-2007, 10:02 PM
i agree, colorado is great in the winter.:chilling: :crazy:
ShttrdSpctrm
02-07-2007, 10:11 PM
oh, i have a wood stove in the basement, i bring the coals up into the garage in a small metal bucket and dump intoa large metal bucket. kinda like another stove in the garage.:D
Harry Paratesteez
02-07-2007, 10:15 PM
Jer.....dude,
Chop down a couple fuckinn trees ya pussy.......you live in Iowa for fucks sake...the fuckin things are everywhere......
"I ran out of wood"....sounds like a job for viagra.
shit man...yer not even married yet.
poor bastard.
Pilgrim
02-07-2007, 10:31 PM
i just suffer threw the cold.......
Jerry Gash
02-08-2007, 06:50 AM
ahahahaha
bring yer chainsaw....
Jer.....dude,
Chop down a couple fuckinn trees ya pussy.......you live in Iowa for fucks sake...the fuckin things are everywhere......
"I ran out of wood"....sounds like a job for viagra.
shit man...yer not even married yet.
poor bastard.
steven p selchow
02-08-2007, 07:17 AM
Nice thing about basements, warm in winter, cool in summer. Since its a stone foundation, I built a 2x4 frame around the whole thing, insulated that, put up paneling, I don't open a window or door anymore, as the drafts under the sidewalls make up for the same amount of air exhausting out the turbine vent in the window well, which is ducted to a hood over my bench, plus my upstairs door is left open for more air passage. I still need a little fan forced heater by my feet, all this is dependant on it being at least 10 degrees or lower outside anyway, so thats my set up, How people can work in a storage shed outside in this below zero weather, I don't know.
Before I bought a house, I worked in one of those metal 10x10 utility sheds, for a month while I was moving, it was fall so the temps weren't that cold, but the older you get, I see why people retire in Florida.
steve
Meerkat
02-08-2007, 07:28 PM
Meerkat, forgive my ignorance, but where do you live that its 104 degrees now. Its about 2 here tonight.
Im coming to your house dude..
I am in Australia and sure, come on by !!!
smutboy420
02-09-2007, 08:41 AM
If its cold in my shop I turn the thermostate up to the temp I want it and I work in a t shirt if I want.
A friend in the heating and air condishiing biz gave us a free forced hot air oil furnace. Like what goes in your basment to heat your house. (you can find them free if you take it away or cheap if some one goes over to gas heat. and has one they want to get rid of.)
We even got 180 free gallons of fule this winter from a job our friend was doing and he needed to "DUMP" oil from jobs were they where removing some ones old oil tank. I told him He can "dump" all the oil in our tank if he wants.
So every time i went to check the oil gauge on the tank I thought some thing was broke cause every time I'd go out there it would be more and more higer on the gauge each time.
So i asked dude if he could take a look a my gauge. and he was like are you sure???? turnes out he was coming up after work most nights and dumping oil in the tank. 20-30 gallons at a time.
Now if only I can find someone that has lots of gasoline they want to throw away so they can dispose of it in my car. and some one that has lots of throw away propane they can dump in to my torch. and I'll be set.
AWhiskeyDrunk
02-09-2007, 09:08 AM
For me woodstove is the way to go...I got a small 10x10. The stove will burn coal as well, though i've only used wood. Also I cook alot of soup on the top of the woodstove and eat that between pieces. I also have a propane heater, but two people have already had their pants catch on fire. One of whom burnt himself pretty badly. The woodstove always seems to work for me. .
HumanLathe
02-09-2007, 12:11 PM
I have one of these and if you have a big shop it takes about 30 minutes to get the shop warm{ were talking 800 sqft. or bigger. If you have a garage like me I timed it and it took 6 minutes to warm my shop. Mine only pushes 80,000 btu's and these things are small, this one is 200,000 btu's and about 120.00 at home depot.
https://www.websalesusa.com/merchant2/graphics/00000001/MH200CVs.gif
http://www.websalesusa.com/store/category/PH3Convection.html
AWhiskeyDrunk
02-09-2007, 03:31 PM
I'm really just looking forward to being able to leave things in my shed overnight and not having them freeze one me...ie my bucket o' water, bead release, beer...
Greymatter Glass
02-09-2007, 04:48 PM
I drink plenty of water and constantly urinate on myself. Keeps me plenty warm.
its been around -35~ celsius here for over a week, so had to close the shop just cant heat all that space... and to warm up myself i do a lotta sex with some cuties.... would work to heat up the workshop tho..
damn north.... damn snow... . i fuckin need a beach..
srry.. but eh...
menty666
02-09-2007, 09:02 PM
I have one of these and if you have a big shop it takes about 30 minutes to get the shop warm{ were talking 800 sqft. or bigger. If you have a garage like me I timed it and it took 6 minutes to warm my shop. Mine only pushes 80,000 btu's and these things are small, this one is 200,000 btu's and about 120.00 at home depot.
https://www.websalesusa.com/merchant2/graphics/00000001/MH200CVs.gif
http://www.websalesusa.com/store/category/PH3Convection.html
Whereabouts in Home Depot? With the space heaters or the actual heating supplies like baseboard heaters? I'd have to make a few adjustments out there, but that looks pretty sweet. I particularly like the 14 hours on a 20# cylinder mention. Much easier to lug than a 100# tank and I don't have to share with my torch. Not to mention that if I'm not drawing electricity off to power a quartz heater that's more for the kiln to use to heat up that much quicker.
Hmmmm......
Many many layers of clothing, a hat, and nice warm insulated winter boots. I considered getting a radiant propane heater (ceramic) as my friend had one that heated his space well. Another friend told me that he had a habit of going out in the morning, turning on the tanks and propane heater, then going back inside for a coffee break, by the time he went back out the shop was warm. Well one day he did his usual routine but when he returned to the shop is was in flames. He believes that the propane heater was responsible, they lost everything--tanks, torches, kilns, glass, shop...It sends a chill up my spine to think how much an incident like that would set me back, so everyone--please be careful with your heating solutions.
the0ther0ne
02-11-2007, 07:55 AM
So, I live in northern New Hampshire. I was in a old 20'x25' barn that was converted into a 2 car garage up untill this arctic blast. I have a 35,000-80,000 btu propane burner. I was pissin through propane to heat it. Also the damn regulator for the burner kept freezing up with those BBQ propane tanks and goin from 80,000btu right down to 30,000btu. So I moved into my basement. As was mention before me, it's warmer in the winter and cool in the summer. This house is hella old too, it's an old post n beam colonial, built in early 1900's. Like most old houses, I have to duck most of the time down there for clearence of my head. Also has stones down for flooring. It's a little cramped down there and safty is HIGHLY needed now that I'm playin with glass in my house. I' don't turn on the heat untill I'm in the basement. I'm costantly checkin connections for leaks and such. I don't like to be in my house playin with glass at all, but damn, I gotta stay warm and the basement is it. As long as I'm super careful (which I AM) I'll be allright. I was blowin lastnight and had to take my hoodie off, got too hot... I like that way more than the layers of clothes and heavy ass thermal carhart overalls. I suggest the basement to those who have em'. Just be careful! ooooh I even have a carbon monoxcide detector down there, just in case.
Brian Newman
03-12-2007, 06:48 AM
Today, it is fairly warm out, but I still have a pot of mulled wine for on top of the kiln.
misled youth
03-12-2007, 07:44 AM
my shop is 24 x 24 x 14 i use a wood stove. most days it is not too bad, but on them -30 degree days i went through alot of wood.
i used to work in a 12 x 24 barn and didnt use nothing but layers. damn that sucked.
i went through about 2 1/2 cords of wood this winter. took me 3 days cutting and splitting in the summer, and i was straight all winter!!!
but i will tell ya i hate wisco!!! fukin shitty ass state. now that it is in the 40's my whole yard, and everything surrounding is a mud pit!!!
LOL atleast my mastiff's like it
jello
03-12-2007, 11:41 AM
my shop is 2000SF. always warm, I have heated floors. thats it.. in Alaska its a must for heated floors. permafrost is only a few feet down.
HumanLathe
03-12-2007, 12:29 PM
Whereabouts in Home Depot? With the space heaters or the actual heating supplies like baseboard heaters? I'd have to make a few adjustments out there, but that looks pretty sweet. I particularly like the 14 hours on a 20# cylinder mention. Much easier to lug than a 100# tank and I don't have to share with my torch. Not to mention that if I'm not drawing electricity off to power a quartz heater that's more for the kiln to use to heat up that much quicker.
Hmmmm......
well because its winter my home depot has them on sale and they are up front by the air compressors. Generally they are shop heaters so look in the heater/ outdoor heating not sure just know they have them.
glassblowingBiker
03-12-2007, 01:36 PM
Looking Good here In nothern IL this week going to be Like 50 But it is still To early to tell
It snowed here 2 weeks ago. Today it was 80 degrees. Anybody wanna borrow some heat?
It was well over 90 today in San Bernardino I'm already dreading the summer.
Paul Moores
03-13-2007, 03:35 PM
I have a separate oil furnace in my detached garage so I just turn that up to 70 degrees. I usually set it for around 45-50 when not in use.
Course id estimate this little hobby for the first year cost me by end of winter season in a month or so about 1.2 tanks of fuel or $800ish. But it sure is good being able to walk out to a heated 30x40 insulated 4 car garage when you want to work.
Do any of y'all running woodstoves have draft problems from your ventilation? Like will your fans suck smoke out of the woodstove?
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