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When I buy or trade glass, the person behind the glass always has more to do with it then the actual piece. If I know the person and I really like them, that piece means so much more to me. I'd never consider buying/trading a piece made by an asshole. Do you guys consider who made it when dealing with glass, too? I think I do this because I know what goes into a piece, since I put a lot of myself into my glass.
I assume the answer might be a little of both, but which is it more of?
the person has alot to do with it, if the person is really tallanted and i can look at the piece and respect it for the tallent into it, it means alot, but if i saw a piece that i didnt know who it was by and it stunned my mind i would definetly get the piece or try to find out who made it and check out what else they bust out and get a piece from them
Misha, it might as well be me talking with yourr words, im tired right now so if this become a huge discussion ill add some more insight tomorrow. but yeah its all aboutt he person, because theres often a nice piece that comes from the nice people we know
A piece has a value in and ov itself. IMO Because some artists don't interact with other well in a social environment, because someone offends you for having different views, I wonder what makes one an asshole? I like it when people are not affraid to show tru emotions, even if it may offend. This puts one on the line way more than someone who just loves any glass made by a friend or a potential new friend.....badly worded, but if one likes ANY piece that may be made by someone "nice" (not an asshole), then one has no subjectivity(as far as glass is conserned. To me it is about the final product, I don't care if it was made by a mass murderer, if i see it, and it brings me that feeling of awe, or meaning, or some sort of emotion, then I am going to like it, and want to buy it.
I don't buy anything but raw glass, Art is for the rich, which i am not.
even if the person were an asshole and they were an amazing worker id still like to have some of theyr hypothetical glass. sometimes its not hte persons fault they have no social graces. i guess even if they were just a total asshole id still respect the talent and artistic vision that id like to think went into the piece.
when i know that someone really likes the piece they just made, it makes me like it more. the person matters to me a lot, but beyond that, i like to know how they feel about it. if they just brush it off and don't really like it, or aren't that into it, neither am i. when they say "you gotta check it out in the light" or "look at the bottom, i put an extra this or that". i like pieces that the artist cares about. because i get so attached to mine, when they finally come out as hoped for. those pieces usually end up in my friends hands as b-day presents or trades.
but i'm not just gonna reject some great work cuz the guy is socially inept. half of us artists probably are. I don't know fro, and from what i've heard, he might not be the nicest guy on earth, but i still want a fro piece bad!!
Most of the time it is the piece in and of itself since I haven't met many artists in person. If I see something I like I try to find out more about the artist 'cause I'm excited about their process.
If I do meet an artist in person, I almost always buy something if they are nice and if they are super nice, I try to buy something even if the piece doesn't really speak to me(unless I'm dead broke). There have been some rare times where I loved a piece of artwork and was eager to meet the artist only to have a personality mismatch. Then I am totally turned off and don't buy. An example of it: Once at a street fair I saw a gorgeous fused plate--really nice and reasonably priced to boot--I approached the artist to tell her how much I loved that plate. She looked at me, and said," Sorry you can't afford it honey." and went back to talking with her friends. Granted I don't dress up and I don't think she meant her comment meanly, but that killed all the enthusiasm I had for the piece. Maybe it's a very emotional way to choose artwork, but I buy art to fill my life and heart with warmth. Artwork made by a wonderfully spirited artist brings positive energy into the home :)
I personally am addicted to glass not glass workers so it's all in the piece itself. I judge art for the art not by the artists. If the situation show the artist to be an asshole, well I may try to find a way to get thier glass other than from them directly (E-gay works good for this). Art is art no matter what the artists personality is. Just my thoughts on this anyhow
Lee
If I was at a show, and saw this kick ass 5in vortex marble on display and I had the cash to buy it and was going to buy it, and I go up to the table and then "Joe Artist" behind the table is an ahole to me or shows me total disrespect. I am going to put my money away and tell everyone I know to never go to his/her booth because he/she will treat them like crap if they do. I don't want to support aholes. I want to go to a show and have a conversation with the artist and find out what made them make the 5in marble, what was there inspiration behind it so I can tell all my friends about it when I show them my new 5in marble and tell them that the artist that made it was the coolest person I have ever met and they too should go check out his/her work.
I have people come to our booth all the time that have seen us at a show somewhere and came back because they loved our work and they always sit and chat up a storm with us about everything. Now was it the piece that brought them back, or was it the fact that when they bought the piece they were able to talk to us and get a feel for how we treated people, or what kind of people we were, and thats what brought them back. I don't know, its just always better to treat everyone you meet with respect, especially if they are getting ready to buy something from you.
not to hog the thread here, but I also agree with you BlueDevil, it is all about the art. Its just hard for humans in general sometimes to look past the person behind it. Thats why I love the Galleries, you don't have to speak to the artists, its just you and the art and thats why your there.
As a Gallery owner and presenter of Glass Art to the public. Knowing the story of the artist is importent from my standpoint.. As for the Public or buyer point of view,, it mostly gets in the way of the sale. Unless the artist in known such as Townsand or Mickelsen. People view Glass as a Chullie or some other Hot Glass Artist works. Opening the door for a story alowing them to impress you about there knoweldge. diverting from sale. The peace sells itself first and formost... The artists story about the peace gets in the way mostly...
"ven if the person were an asshole and they were an amazing worker id still like to have some of theyr hypothetical glass. sometimes its not hte persons fault they have no social graces. i guess even if they were just a total asshole id still respect the talent and artistic vision that id like to think went into the piece."
Yeah people seem to respect me more after seeing nice glass, its like wait thats creative and appealing, there must be some insight or thoughts in there... maybe I'm just trippin and people really do hate me..
I probobly wouldn't buy a peice from someone I didn't like. Once I thought more of a peice just cause I mistakenly thought someone else made it. I looked past the flaws when I thought my homie did it..
To me it always seems like assholes make shitty peices anyways (no pun intended lol) and nice artists make nice work. It's all about the artist and being proud to rep their work.
To me its a lil bit of both I'd prefer my pcs to be made by some one thats kewl as well as be a nice pcs. its nice when you can have both in one.
BTW what about tools Do peep buy tools from assholes or does it not mater if its a good tool? or do they need to be a glass blowing god to sell good tools? Even if they are the best there is?
I'm just looking for an outside view.
money! money! money!
I continued to deal with an asshole until today when he posted a sign that said no solicitation
to be honest with the group. I as a glass artist i buy other glass artist work on talent. then if the artist is persuasive (and present of purchase) I will engage in a good haggle over a worthy price.
it starts with who made it then i finalize the purchase with the cleanlines and techyness. name matters.
hey chris.... that piece u wanted at agi... its for my girlys bday hehehe. soon enough mang. respect
Well.. my eyewear will probably always come from Auralens.
Chris
Also, I may or may not be the artist known as Chullie.
Chris
In a perfect world you would always acquire art for reasons of aesthetics alone. But that the person behind the glass adds to (or detracts from) your sense of value is simply human nature. This is common to us all, including big-time glass collectors who often shop for names rather than individual pieces.
For me, there are several pieces in my collection that are made by bona-fide glassholes. My response to them is not diminished by the personality of the artist... it is, in fact, sometimes enhanced... but underneath it all it is love for the work that overcomes everything else.
Just my $.02.
- RAM
i only buy glass from assholes!!!!