It's really whatever works. To be honest. I have not accomplished as much as them really. So what do I know?
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It's really whatever works. To be honest. I have not accomplished as much as them really. So what do I know?
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I think flipping burgers should be $15 hour and glass should be $30. But things are less expensive in Arizona also.
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Look lazy people are lazy. When lazy people smoke weed they are lazy. Not everyone who smokes weed is lazy.
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Well, they're talking about apprenticeships, bit different. In any profession you're really not in that profession yet as a walk-in apprentice. I've got a few buddies that started in dry wall and other trades like that, they made crap pay and they were basically janitors for the guys that knew what they were doing for the first year. They had decent money, but that's because they worked a TON of overtime. I don't think a beginner in a trade is usually regarded as doing much better than a burger flipper (hired by dad/uncle/FIL's company excluded...sometimes)
Can't really look at this like a normal gig, it's kinda more "What can you make, and how fast can you make it?" that determines your pay, and I'd imagine their in house employees are probably compensated with that in mind. They'd have to be if they wanted to keep them.
I'm not discounting what you know, brother, they're just talking about a different branch there. It's a trained VS trainee thing there, they're addressing the prospective trainees
Oh apprenticeship should pay the master. You don't get paid until you make sellable items.
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No man they pay $12 hour plus $25 bonus for making quota.
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Fast food workers are getting $15 hour plus health benefits in New York.
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I really don't want to say anything bad here. The last person I did that too had vanished. I feel a little guilty about it too.
I promised I would not do that again.
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wait, do they top out at 12? ok, they didn't mention that in their blurb. They mentioned they start apprentices out at $8 when you're still taking out the trash and learning to pull stringers for 2 or 3 months, cutting tube for a month, pulling points for another month, and then moving on to the illustrious mushroom marble.
I can see starting a blower that's new to them at $12 to see what they're actually buying, say for 30-90 days, but beyond that it just doesn't seem like you could keep anyone good for that. There's just too damn much that goes into building the skillset for that to be an acceptable return on investment.
As far as them being pipe makers, they're a pipe shop. When you're on their time, you're a pipe maker, if you want to be an artist that's what your own time is for. Going back to the Fast food analogy, you can't get all Jackson Pollock with the ketchup and mustard while you're on the clock and expect to be kept on :p
But yea, if $12 cap is the case, consider me on your side.
Pipe making is ceramics and it is just as much art as pottery or any other ceramic.
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I start people at pokers then chillums and then spoons. Everyone has to cut there own tubes and pull point for themselves.
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And they pay me until I sell it. Starts at 50 cents a poker.
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Wait, what now? If you're wanting to say something offensive, it's all good, I can go cry in the corner if I need to.
If you're talking about vanishing people, well...I thought we were just talking about whether X company was a bag of dicks or not, but if we're bringing assassins into the debate, its fine! I'll let you win, dude. I'll either have to die or mop if you send 'em, and since I can't decide which I'd rather do on a Sunday, I'll bow out
Oh for sure, I'm on board with it being an art too. But when you're doing a job, it's more using a skill you've picked up as an artist to do a job. Really, whether what you're doing is art or not is all up to the person doing it. When I'm making something because it's what I care about at the time, that's art. If I'm banging things out to someone's specs, I feel I'm doing a job, even if those two things are identical. One came from my passion for the thing, one came from an order form, know what I mean? Again, it's up to everyone to decide what is and isn't, according to how they feel about it. Apart from linguistics and how you're feeling, it really doesn't make a huge difference.
Even if I'm doing a lot of job-type-stuff, I'll still feel like an artist because when something awesome occurs to me, I'll do my best to make it exist. That's enough for me to feel like I can use the label on myself.
A potter make plates and coffees cups all day. He is still an artist.
Just because it's a pipe it's no different.
I don't know why people consider art to be so different. It's not.
A print maker makes 100 of the same prints. It's still art.
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All glassblowers have production and one of a kind. Same thing.
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I think it's a personal fulfillment thing for people. I'll never say someone else isn't an artist, dunno if I made that part clear. My art vs not art considerations are only applicable to myself.
People give artists a bad rap because there is nothing wrong with saying your a musician, but say your an artist? hoo boy, they are gonna want you to be in a museum.
I was thinking that painting is art because it's one of a kind. But really famous paintings are copied all the time. Not to mention that Picasso said there is no need for realistic art anymore because we have the camera. The camera does that so paintings have to be about more. That's why he lived cubism.
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Actually, my point is you don't have to be famous to be an artist, just like you don't have to be famous to be a musician.