This is the fume strike I was talking about.
It's only silver fume inside simax.
http://www.glasspipes.org/Img156639_...CN1741.JPG.asp
Like I said, I'll use the BA as a stand alone clear, or with opaques only.
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This is the fume strike I was talking about.
It's only silver fume inside simax.
http://www.glasspipes.org/Img156639_...CN1741.JPG.asp
Like I said, I'll use the BA as a stand alone clear, or with opaques only.
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As far as the line dissapearing when cold thats simply not true..
Why does the line go away for me? Are we talking about the same line? Does it depend on what type of work is being made?Quote:
The lines definitely don't go away when cold
Yea it does, because any lines absolutely go away in iso work for example, but if you make something thinner for example a goblet youll have madd lines.
Im gonna try to blow out a small piece of the "new" 50x5 to see if there are still lines in this glass.
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Originally Posted by VOORHEES
Well thats just crazy anyway mang :p....i never got anything like that from just fume and simax!
no shit, voohres you killed that! The more I think on it I would attribute my like of sba to my flame atmosphere tendencies, works 4 me
is the background behind the fume work what makes it look so red? i find it crazy that that is only silver... amazingQuote:
Originally Posted by VOORHEES
well yeah... Voorhees is a magician! that is beautiful, was it left in the kiln for afew cycles??? is there a trick to that purps?
we did a test in the shop today, and both my shopmate and I LOVE Schott BA
the clear NEVER cracks in the flame OR on the bench, for either one of us. and in a comparison for FUMING; we also prefer Schott. The white-ish fuming looks better than the Yellow -ish fuming the other tubing resulted in. We even asked a third party (a glass distributor) and her opinion was also for the Schott product. She said the others looked "india made" in comparison...
GO SCHOTT BA!
my two cents (and two other people, so that equals more than a nickel)
christina cody
you are doing something inconsistant if you are getting white with sba and yellow with other tubing.
my results, with an equal medium i/o fume, burning off the excess so that it's nearly clear while working and 1 kiln strike:
SBA will give you white
Kimble will give you blue-white
Pyrex will give you more blue and less white than kimble
Simax will give you a faint blue
you lost me there.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaeL25
I don't like the fact that SBA isn't available from Schott Australia. From checking prices online, Duran is quite a bit more expensive than SBA and from what Schott Australia has told me there is no difference in quality between Duran and SBA except SBA is cheaper and not available here. I've now (as well as a lot of scientific blowers and art glass blowers) switched to a completely different glass from a different company (TGI) which is a lot cheaper than Duran and marginally better in quality. It also works the same as Duran in regards to fuming. In this case Schott's loss is definitely our gain.
Here are two facts about sba. It does NOT fume anywhere near as good as Simax. This isn't even discussable. The other, that no one mentioned, every time I'm going to break off some crap at the tip of my punty the rod always breaks right near your hand, thus wasting all that good 'pull off' punty rod, thus you have to get another an do it again, thus wasting more rod. How did you get those guys to design that? I'm convinced with all the rod that breaks for punty tap offs I could be using simax an prolly saving some cash. The tube, never had a problem.
Wow...I cannot believe anyone like the results of fuming Simax better than the BA. Now I see what Nick did...and that is some sick shit...but I NEVER get good results off the Simax. I wish I had taken pictures of the sleeved stuff I did in both one day. The Simax was thick hazy blue and you couldn't see any gold at all...the BA held the gold and gave me the entire rainbow of colors. Luken turned me on to the BA...then I picked some up at the FFO (still super sorry about this Adam)...and it has been all I use ever since. Matter of fact, I have some Simax just sitting around that I refuse to use. When I heard y'all were going to make the BA fume like the Simax I was very sad.
Does anyone have any direct comparison pictures of the fuming differences?
does not matter a bit pictures tell you nothing but lies with fume anyway!
I have seen good fume look like shit in a pic .
And shitty fume look killer.
Fume is susceptible to more variables than just what clear you use.
I get good fume on china glass too!
I really like the SBA, except for applications with colors that reduce... I just don't get the nice green/blues (using aquatic carnival) for my turtle shells, etc. with the SBA. Instead of vibrant greens, it's more of a soft dull washed out yellow-green...
I've found that if you lay lines of Aquatic Carvnival, Blue Moon, Peacock Chameleon, and Silver Strike down on the end of a rod of say 16mm, twist it up, flatten it, punty to back, remove rod, and fire polish into pendant; Those colors will bleed together and all almost look the same, even though there are huge differences between them...
But as long as I'm not working with the reducing colors, the SBA is great! I've had a few small airbubbles run up through the rods, but never the lines and stuff others have mentioned...
aloha!
I sell a lot of SBA and have seen a major improvement in quality over the last 2 years. The lines and seeds in the glass are pretty much fixed. That said I still see flaws from time to time, mostly chords and seeds in the smaller diameter rod, 6-10mm. Not a big deal.
I too have issues with how SBA takes fume, usually i just get a foggy white, but I have seen it work with my own eyes, so I know it's something I am doing.
I think there's 2 major factors in how I work that give different results:
1. heat base. if I've had the glass molten and it's still hot it takes fume better/different.
2. reduction/burn off. If I over reduce the fume or fail to burn it off and re-strike it it will be scuzzy white. burn it off in a nice hot oxygen heavy flame then bring it back briefly with a softer but not really reducing flame and it's better.
I still can't get the deep sapphire blue and crimson purple colors from it.
As for it being thermal shocky.... haven't noticed that. I can toss a tube of 10x1 or 50x9 into the flame and it's fine. I don't think I've had a single tube blow up on me.
*p.s. I'm biased, I sell it, but I sell it because I use it and I like it.
-Doug
I use a lot of this stuff and have been for years now it seems
There are issues and i have had bad tubes that just explode
i have also had tubes with lines and uneven wall weight
the rod does boil easily
I have no idea how to fume purple honney combs and i would love to know ?
Mr. Vorhees please a turtorial would be nice
but i can fume the Sba and get the results i thought were cool untill i saw purple
http://www.glasspipes.org/Gal35271_n...k_dinosaur.asp
this pic shows the "haze or crystal growth whatever" well
http://www.glasspipes.org/Img214113_...CN3006.JPG.asp
Purple huh freeken purple off just silver I gottta take some lessons or some thing
but you can get the blue haze most people think of out of sba by just fuming less
and striking less i really don't kiln grow honey combs i flame strike them
with all this said
I rock out on sba for my buck it is simply the best glass for the price
Adam is easy to deal with and seems to be genuine in his desire to contribute to the glass comunity
the good part is the workability of the glass and the price
the bad are the exploding tubes and lines boily rods
i have used old pyrex then simax, then chinex, now all Sba but if i could i would get some old pyrex and love it
Adam is great to deal with, he's very helpful and understanding...great customer service too.
Adam G gets the credit for showing me how to grow the silver out of Simax...it's just making sure you have a good, even amount of fume and learning how to flame strike it properly.
I've made hundreds of honeycombs with Simax that didn't strike how I wanted them to...it takes a lot of patience to get the purple.
With SBA, as long as you blow it out thin enough...you get a nice honeycomb pattern and some nice light blues, but no purple.
I gotta agree with Nicky on the purple... I made a really nice honeycomb last night with blues and greens... but not any purple...
I still think it's me.
I can get a purpleish color with a bit of gold.
Dude Ive never even seen such a sick comb let alone made one yet.
The little comb marble with the orange base and green halo is fuckin outrageous.
i've been doing honeycombs with simax recently... now i haven't done combs for a long long time so i figured that was my problem at first... but now i am convinced its the simax.
when i do combs w/ simax (44x3) my combs look flat, and 2-dish..... with little to no crystal growth... although with my schott BA (25x4) its like the combs always have a nice 3-d depth from the growth.... i'm gonna give the schott a try tomorrow for combs b/c i think i just found the answer to my honeycomb problem that was driving me crazy this week.
with that said, i prefer simax still for ISO fume work....
anyways.... sorry bout the shitty pics but its the best i can do. comb on the right(its a broken old comb) is SBA, left is simax... its pretty clear how cartoony and shitty the simax one looks, while the SBA one has much better depth. even with the thick walls, the simax one doesn't strike into the glass the way the SBA did...
http://i32.tinypic.com/fp2qa.jpg
throw those in the kiln for a week or two then snap some photos.. pure simax magic
i've never had any luck with kiln striking... but haven't tried much either... hoping to work on techs like that at AGI this year
Isn't that pic voorhese posted ratti with some kinda silver color in it(like amber purple)? Doesn't look like a honeycomb to me.....
Nah its a comb, and there is another comb marble on that same piece that has rad colors too.
And lorax, Adam meant just to throw it in there while you are working, just at the normal 1050. It strikes as the cycles warm up and down.
Thanks for the pics, I was looking for a comparrison
yep lorax. Same thing as a flame strike its not the high temp its the journey there and back where the magic happens.
The left one will look better after kiln cycles and the one on the right will just get more and more white and cloudy.
depth or no depth I like the one on the left and as it strikes it will grow more.
VOORHEES is absolutely right, imo. Sick work man!
I don't mean ANY offense to anyone above, I guess my taste in fume is mad different. But when I get fume like what was posted above I'm really disappointed (obviously aside from VOORHEES colors). I HATE HATE HATE the fume that comes out of BA... it's cloudy, hard to control, and for me personally I just don't like the range of colors you get that actually do come out. The hue itself on any color is just fuzzy and bland... it doesn't POP like it's supposed to.... and I actually have a pretty good handle on how to fume with different glass i.e. duran or simax or pyrex...
You guys say "purple"... look at the top reversal on this bub I made- are you saying that kind of purple with that color of green mixed in? Let alone all the CRISP blues in the canes/ attachments??
http://www.glasspipes.org/Img145936_...ler.6.8.07.asp
If someone can replicate those colors with BA I'd be VERY impressed- I sure as hell can't do it no matter what I try. If I made that bub out of BA it would be yucky white/ gold. Like VOORHEES said, you get white right and left... and it's not a good shiny sharp white, it's a dull soft blah white. I find it's near impossible to control the fume once applied too- it clouds out HARD no matter what you do, how fast you work, etc.
Other issue for me is rods all the way down to like 8mm pop off pieces in the flame like it's chinex... that sucks. Simax rarely pops at much bigger size rods let alone the small ones. Oh and I have to agree with whoever mentioned small rods breaking a lot... 4mm is like 2mm (as was said).
I do want to say though, Adam is the man and is awesome to deal with- always been stoked. I just wish I liked your glass more Adam!!!
yea i've done this a few times and noticed no difference... i might not use my kiln as much as you guys tho since i try to use it as little as possible?... like since i do 98% fume work i let most of it bench cool, assemble later and then anneal.. but i've had 1 comb in there for 3 cycles now (it def has some fume, but right now looks 100% clear) maybe i'll toss a slide in there and keep track of it over the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by dBDom
i would feel guilty about robbing electricity from my parents if i used my kiln more than i do now also, which is why i like to use it as little as possible..... heh.
and fumealicious, those colors are some serious inspiration and a fine example of what fumework can be. i wish i could fume as consistent as you do, its still somewhat luck for me when i get some amazing colors out of the fume... although i've learned a few tricks along the journey.
just got back to this and i havent read it all yet, has ant one mentioned cords? I belive the best way to exsplain my complaint is just this. there seems to be a viscosity break down in the tube formation which causes it to gather weird or show lines when blown thin. my undersanding of this is when the glass is in the crucible it wares down the silica in the walls of the pot the exterere glass content absorbs this and creates the vicosity diference we notice ( ie fume lies) the cord lines bother me more when working with clear thin. That said i'll pay more for better glass (when i need it) my shop encludunig me runs thru this stuff like its water. we love it to use thick, just not cup or goblet work.
I guess that fuming is the problem, but I don't fume much, and I like the honeycombs that I get from using striking colors heavily encased with Schott BA.......
I am actually going to take my camera today and get some pics, to show that you can do nice combs with it. I get many compliments on them. But it is not a fume comb, so I guess it does not prove anything to those who chose do fume combs, or just want their fume to look top notch in any application while using schott Ba.
Props to Adam though, for having a thread like this to get feedback and relay that to Schott. A great representative for glassblowers. UST allways supporting the scene and evolving with it.
Pics sucked to much light. Had to pull it
but I will make one more out of the tube section I have sleeved then do a side by side with a section of ap sleeved with some other type.
cause it looks like what some like others don't
so pics are a must in this thread.
Here are a few I have made with Simax, just silver fume, flame struck one time, occasionally 2.
I have one that I made with SBA up at the shop, I'll try to snap a photo of it.
nice.
struck once/twice? i'm kinda blown away. you're a madman.
the last 4 or so I made have only taken one flame strike and they have turned out some of the best colors I have achieved.. The last pic of the faceted one is a one strike.. Some of the others posted are 3-4 years old so I can't quite remember, but the best one's come with one strike..
I have always thought your fume combs where tits. I have seen some with sba with the same type depth and such but every one no matter how nice is really cloudy white.
Oh well to each there own.
Like was said before if they change the formula some will not like it.
what a rock in a hard place he should put up a poll to see how many really like the sba at its current state.
I've been wanting to try Schott boro artistic for a long time, but I had a lot of old clear stock to use up first. Now I am at the point where I really need to order at least 7 cases of clear and probably more like 10+ cases. I am trying to decide what brand to go with. I talked to Doug (greymatter glass) over 4 months ago about ordering some cases of schott.(because I thought I could save on shipping since he is closer to me. Now I learned that isn't true since it would have shipped from cali anway...) Anyway Doug offered to send me a sample pack of Schott so I could test it before I ordered cases and I gave him my address and offered to pay for the samples/shipping. I've sent a few more PMs and still haven't heard from him..... Doug? :puzzled:
So I still want to get a decent sample of Schott BA before I place my order. Anyone able to help me out? I would pay for the sample and the shipping, but I got the impression it was common for free samples of schott to be offered by distributors?
Email me your address and all and I will get some samples out to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by medicatedMELTDOWN
I have stayed off of this thread because I am a distributor of the SBA.
I would like to give my opinion as an artist that works with the SBA though.
I love the working characteristics...a little stiffer with a little longer working time. As far as fuming, it was just a matter of tweaking the way I fume.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't get much of a chance at the torch any more but when I do I use the SBA.