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Well, I guess I'm the minority, I had fun and made money/orders. However, it was my first show, therefore I have no frame of reference, as Walter says.
I smoked that spice...it's laced with formaldihide (I say this really loud anytime I see it in the shops)....Kept me up for hours when I really just wanted to sleep...Taste like shit too... More expensive than good weed....wtf? This spice shit needs to go home.
Headshops in Germany earned a lot of money with that shit, youngsters being totally hooked because they didn't have proper connections to the real stuff... Tried it once, tasted like shit and made me feel sick. It got banned because of the rc they found in it, hope it never comes back!
Beware of the Kratom crap they are selling too, has Tramadol in it. Once ypu're hooked on Tramadol a heroin monkey is like a walk in the park...
I totally agree with the op, you guys over the pond have such a good scene, keep it clean!
Hey everyone ! - Howsit ! - Hey we really went to great lengths to bring an incredible show to the East Coast - There was incredible glassblowing ( that I felt was really representative of whats hot right now ) - There was also an huge number of other types of artists that were at the C.K. Wholesale Expo that have never done any of these shows before - IE: Alex Grey - Zane Kesey - Skate PHD - Jumbie Art - among many others ! - I came away from this show and thought it was a complete success - as a matter of fact I have never been to a show with this array and caliber of artists before !
In terms of the " spice " - It was very hard to distinguish which companies were coming to the show to sell spice - some of them had names that insinuated that they were selling incense / others insinuated hippy stuff and believe it or not others were insinuating that they were coming to sell glass -
now with that in mind it was very hard for us to distinguish who they were -
The bigger question for me though =
Who are we to judge what is good and what is bad for OUR industry / is it ok to do DABS in front of the Cannabis Cup building ??? - does that make OUR industry look bad ? as opposed to the every day Dutch citizen just smoking a cigarette laced with some cannabis ???
I bet that 9 out of 10 of the glass pipe makers out there have BENEFITED from the spice sales in the industry - think about the massive influx of revenue that happened in the industry when that stuff took off -
Yes I think it is terrible that head shops are just selling this stuff to anyone coming into the door - but when I used to sell pipes to stores they sold something called RUSH - it was a weird anomaly !! - Maybe it was ether but people inhaled it ! - also allot of them also sold these whip cream chargers that people were actually inhaling through balloons that the stores sold them - GO FIGURE - and that shit was really bad for you - it was actually nitrous oxide ! - WOW
The Glass speaks for itself and obviously the actual glass art has nothing to do with the spice - The reality is that there are people out there who own stores that need to keep their profits up so they can keep dumping more into inventory to generate revenue for a successful business model - There will always be fringe products here - Its the nature of this industry -
Come out to our next expo - it is in Santa Monica in May - This upcoming show will be much smaller than the Atlantic City Expo and it is in an incredible space - The Barker Hanger in Santa Monica - we are working on a few very special events here - it is a business to business show only ! ( Glass Artists are welcome ) Only 2 days -
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Slinger - I thought that the show was great for you ? - We really went to great lengths to attract incredible artists in all mediums !! - I have had enormous feedback telling us that vendors did well in terms of volume of sales - Hey please get in touch with us and let us know how we can improve for Santa Monica !
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Originally Posted by slinger
srsly? you are saying that you couldn't prevent spice and salts at your own show? that's crazy, the rest of us can (as long as we aren't swayed by the cash). we got by just fine before that stuff. i think i'd rather learn from your history than your words.
tbs, you consistently try to go big and we need ambition in our industry. thanks for that. i think you have a unique ability to bring us up (or down) with your efforts jason. i look forward to seeing how the santa monica show goes, good luck!
I feel like we had a completely successful show in terms of turnout - there were thousands of people that attended ! The C.K. wholesale expo is about whats hot in todays specialty gift market - not just glass but every kind of item that these stores carry ! - We had an incredible array of products from Skateboards to Alex Grey artwork ! - Please take a second and come to Santa Monica to see what all the people were hyped about ! - We have an incredible flameoff planned thats gonna blow minds ! the show is May 11-12 at the Barker Hanger - West LA baby ! everyone will be staying at the ultra swank ( very affordable ) Loews Hotel in Santa Monica on the beach ! - This will be hella fun !
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here, since I really felt like this thread could use a little "damage control" if you will. I'm glad Jason showed up and posted as well. As has been said several times, these shows are for the industry, and not JUST glassblowers/collectors. I personally thought the results of the flame off were amazing. I think we should all do our part to help the CK shows. Even if you wern't happy with one of them, Jason Harris is the fucking man in this scene. hes sacrificed and worked hard to help this industry, and these artists. Granted hes not pumping out that beatiful glass anymore, he is still devoting his hard work and time to helping the scene. Whoever said Spice has fermaldahide and kratom has tramidol is wrong. They dont add prescription drugs to that stuff, although it is dangerous, and bad. I understand why people are upset that it was being sold alongside glass, but this show was not just about glass. As other people have noted, spice really helps sales of the shops that are buying the glass. And once again..there is ALWAYS someone who has some stupid dangerous shit for sale. I mean, How many of the people posting in this thread that are upset about the spice drink alcohol, or tobbacco? You have to be smart enough to be able to know what is safe, and what is not. No intelligent person will smoke spice without finding out what it is first, and i dont think any intelligent person would smoke it after finding out what it is either. I dont like the salts, or the spice. I dont think kids should be able to get it, but for the stupid people who think its worth trying - let them. Because i doubt anyone posting here bought or smoked any of that shit. We all need to work together, and support each other. These CK expos are a GREAT event, and I agree theres always things that need improved, but we need to support them, and Jason Harris, because Jason's company that is doing these shows cares about bringing glass the legitamate respect it deserves. He's obviously taking the time to stay on top of stuff, even forum posts like this. I agree the bathsalt and spice is bad, but it is also a good thing. Its making money, and supporting our scene. Its for stupid people, and just another fad. It too will pass, and will be replaced by some other stupid shit...so just spread the love, and do your part to help improve shows like CK.
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Originally Posted by Mr.P0rn
It's also drawing a lot of negative attention to smoke shops.
Just ignore it, it's the price of business is like saying "We had this lovely juried arts show where everyone's made the glass, furniture, quilts, etc that's for sale, but just ignore Jimmy's Import Emporium's table over there selling the cheap plastic crap"
I don't make pipes so I don't really have a dog in this race, but to say 'we don't like it but we let it in anyway just because' when it's your show is just plain stupid. Is it really that hard to have a rule in place along the lines of "put up posters and signs if you want, but don't bring this stuff that's f'ing people up into the building"? That way if they really want to represent it, fine, but you're not at risk of token harassment by some bored vice cop. I mean really, it's like saying "We don't like cocaine dealers, but at least they're employing some people, so just lay off"
Yes, it wasn't just a glass show, but if there's one product in particular that's making negative news across the nation, maybe that's a good time say "hey, leave it at home, bring everything else".
^this.
I incinerated the spice i got at the the show. In my glass spice incinerator. runs on propane compressed air and spice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BeF...ffAUAAAAAAABAA
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lol
love it... apparently i can't rep you. fukkin spice. what happened to smoking grass?
originally posted by JeromebakerYou could have asked them? Might be a little to forward for such a reserved personality as yourself.Quote:
In terms of the " spice " - It was very hard to distinguish which companies were coming to the show to sell spice - some of them had names that insinuated that they were selling incense / others insinuated hippy stuff and believe it or not others were insinuating that they were coming to sell glass -
originally posted by JeromebakerWho are we??? Are you serious??? First of all, we doesn't include you. You don't make pipes anymore. You balled way hard, made lots of loot and brought to much undo attention to yourself and got busted. Sounds like Spice to me....Quote:
The bigger question for me though =
Who are we to judge what is good and what is bad for OUR industry / is it ok to do DABS in front of the Cannabis Cup building ??? - does that make OUR industry look bad ? as opposed to the every day Dutch citizen just smoking a cigarette laced with some cannabis ???
I'll tell you who we are. We are the ones who want to respect, support and defend our industry by making informed, short and long term decisions. I do not want to use her up and throw her out when I'm done.
originally posted by Mr.POrnSome of those stupid people are kids. Matter of fact, last time I did Rush was 11th grade. Then those stupid people do stupid shit, like dying from it. By them being so fucking selfish and dying, it brings undo attention to our industry.Quote:
You have to be smart enough to be able to know what is safe, and what is not. No intelligent person will smoke spice without finding out what it is first, and i dont think any intelligent person would smoke it after finding out what it is either. I dont like the salts, or the spice. I dont think kids should be able to get it, but for the stupid people who think its worth trying - let them.
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originally posted by Mr.POrnThat is why it took him 6 weeks to reply to this thread, because he is so "on top of stuff". While you might "need" to support CK and Jason Harris, I do not and will not!Quote:
These CK expos are a GREAT event, and I agree theres always things that need improved, but we need to support them, and Jason Harris, because Jason's company that is doing these shows cares about bringing glass the legitamate respect it deserves. He's obviously taking the time to stay on top of stuff, even forum posts like this.
truly sincere,
boxfan
Here here Boxfan you pretty much summed it all up in one post!
boxfan laying down the real talk.
repped!
In terms of individual freedom, I feel people should be able to buy that synth crap. But, it shouldn't be just because they can't buy non-toxic herbal non-alternatives. In the meantime, while our government weans itself from oppressing the citizens for profit regarding cannabis, I think good taste and responsibility dictates not being involved with 'spice' and certainly not 'bath salts' as they are not a safe product. Whether they're damaging for the pipe industry, hard to say since the pipe industry is already on thin ice federally.
well said boxfan
edited because I let my emotions overwhelm my restraint...
Jason Harris just called me NO LESS than 12 times in a row. First call, I let him know that I was putting up our tree and Jennifer has been throwing up with the flu almost a week. I had no interest in speaking to him until after the holidays about anything. I had to turn my ringers off, so I really don't know how many times he really called. I understand that Jason might have issue with what I posted, but it is no excuse for such a lack of professional manners.
Regardless forum shit should stay on the forum and personal shit should stay in a PM. I apologize for getting off topic, as it is one of the most important we have facing our industry.
oh shit wil, did you just throw your hat?
BTW, I would be their sooner, but your not worth $1150!
Wil / I thought we were friends - I kept calling back because I thought we were getting disconnected ??
anyway - You were paid well for coming to the show and I thought we were good when you left - These online testimonials are the first we are hearing that your camp was unhappy. We spoke to Bob and Marie and they were completely happy with their trip ( except the loud music in the booth next door )
anyway - you have my number - call me anytime to discuss - We definately need all of the pointers we can get - Its still a new show !
The CK show was a success and we are well on the way to a sold out show in Santa Monica - The show focuses on art and we have three of the hottest Graf Painters doing an art battle ! This is gonna be off the charts ! - There is also a Flameoff planned - If anyone wants to get involved and be on the staff please e mail us at
ckwholesaleexpo@gmail.com
What do you mean by success? If anything this show completely turned me off to making pipes for a living knowing at one point or another is have to deal with shows like that
Success = lots of incredible artists - lots of great buyers !
The show was free to visitors -
did you attend ?
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Originally Posted by boxfan willy
Chad
Oh - you must be in Dennis's class -
there were a bunch of volunteers from Salem CC - You guys were great ! - and it was really cool to have the World's Greatest Flameworker at the gig - Joe Luisi
Hey my advice to any young artist interlaced with a bit of history and self promotion ! -
Any trade show is tough on not only the buyers that have to walk the show but to the vendors who bring their product all the way out and pay big bucks to show everything off ! - Even though they are a drain on people physically they actually are a good forum for people with like minds and interests to share ideas and grow the artwork. Way back in the old days ( early nineties ) there was only one show - It was at the Alexis Park Hotel in Vegas - People just got rooms there and left their doors open - There was a massive tradeshow across the street called ASD - there were allot of buyers that came across the street and shopped at the show at Alexis Park - Dont forget that at this point there was barely any glass - especially color changing glass - the show was called the CTA show Contemporary Tobacco Association - This show grew and finally broke out into a full fledged tradeshow and some of the vendors started the CHAMPS show - They were interested in keeping out the massive amount of imports that were infiltrating - The show was now at a variety of hotels / casinos across Las Vegas and finally ended up at the Convention Center -
My take on all of this was that the magic of the show to me was the bonding experience that we had with all of the other artists at the show also the buyers that came and purchased kept us rolling until the next show - It was a very small tight knit deal back then -
At this point I believe that we need a show that travels to really cool cities that will allow us to gather and share ideas / engage in forums that excite the industry - and the industry that I am referring to crosses way more boundaries than just glass - This show that we strive for is to bring a number of artists in different mediums together in one forum to share and grow the medium in unimaginable ways ! That was just the very first show that the Connoisseur Kulture did and there are two more planned - its all about working together as a group instead of individually attacking one another -
I dont recommend overextending yourself by any means - go to shows that will inspire you and help your flow -
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edited because I was stirring the pot...
We have way to many "novelty" centered shows that promote products we don't all agree with....
It is each persons right to choose which show platform they vend their products.
As for me, see yall next year at DFO, AGE and Glass Roots where glass is the focus.
Happy Holidays!
Right on Boxfan -
I agree - All of those mentioned shows are excellent ! - I was stoked to attend every single one of them and they provide incredible inspiration for the glass community - I would also strongly recommend Spannabis / an incredible show in Spain - off the Chain !
I also wanted to personally thank you for coming all of the way out to the CK show in Atlantic City and making all of those incredible skulls - We have been letting everyone know to go get them at Dragons Breath ! As a matter of fact we had a few celebrities call DB and order
Also had a great time writing one of the Feature Articles in the current issue of the Flow Magazine -
We have been pumping you guys up big time on Sunday Nights - www.sundaynitestu.com
! - Stoked -
And be sure that there will definitely be NO SPICE AT ANY CK SHOWS in the future -
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Originally Posted by julian
I disagree with that because I know tons of people who use "salts" or "spice" and no other kind of drug...only because it's legal and they can and/or think that it's all right to because it's legal...
if I went and there were tons of spice vendors there... I would probably leave and dissociate myself from that crowd...
I'm not trying to stir any pots but change only happens with us...we can't expect the problem to just go away or say it's bad but slide it under the rug... if you really hate spice and salts then start taking pro active choices and actions to remove them from our existence
I'm just sayin...
Jason's fight song
^Wow.
That brings back some memories.
Lame memories.
Again, all of these reasons are why I decided to spend my money on internal infrastructure.
I was wondering if this was a good decision.
After this and hearing my friends experiences at all the shows in the last 6+ months.
I'm so glad I decided to focus on my business and not give my money to sit at a booth for a couple days.
I was at the CK show this year. I was also at Champs, AGE, Glassroots and the Champs one in AC this spring. 6 months ago was the first time I saw the bath salts and they are hilarious. they are a freakin joke. Personally I'd prefer they were not at the shows but thats the deal, Along with the strippers ("models") and the rest of the scene. We absolutely need to get organized and take further action on a trade organization but lets keep it real.
For those that are bent about their glasswork not being sold in galleries you are going to the wrong shows for that. Be honest about what you make and where it will be displayed. "Gallery" art is at the baltimore and philly shows, SOFA, Smithsonian and others. I am happy and proud to be making pipes and will miss the scene we have now when it comes to pass. Seeing Slingers film in AC was an absolute highlight for me and made me so happy to be here now doing what I am doing with the rest of you. The talk in WI reinforced this feeling and back to the OP about keeping our industry safe the way we do this is by working together & hiring lawyers.... The grav lab dude seemed to have things dialed in on an organization, where is he? I put my name on the list, haven't heard a thing... honestly people weren't that nice to him but i understand the apprehension.
AND back to the CK show, It was not my worst show in terms of sales and I will absolutely do shows with Jason in the future. He is a natural promoter and I disagree with Will, he is one of us . Without going too deep here Jason is probably the most sensitive to the dangers surrounding our scene and the promoter I would trust the most. (I do like Nick and Ellen though....) It was a first year show, there were bound to be bumps but I had a great time. Without sounding like too much of a hippy here we need to get serious about getting organized and show a little more love. -rob elite
are you sure you were at dfo? i've been the coordinator for the last three years and i've heard nobody mention seeing you. i would think you would have at least checked in with your old business partners that were there. it just seems like the kind of thing somebody would have brought to my attention...:puzzled:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeromebaker
some love you and some can't abide your presence but pretty much everybody in my town has an opinion about you. doubt you could have played ninja lol.
:chucks:Ninjas don't run their mouths.:chucks: