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Thank you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie
About half hr for a clear pipe. I think im always flashing back to avoid cracking so maybe I'm just not hitting the pipe in the right order. But I'm also not sure how to use my lynx and how to use the torch in general. I've done alot of research but I don't have any access to other glass workers so I'm Kinda on my own.
this may help ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkl2qi4jkY
Thx for the link. I had already seen this and I feel I get the basics of it but not so much as far as when to use certain flames and when it's hottestQuote:
Originally Posted by faded
It also. Is just different in person I guess. I really wish I could get some in person advice
my man the ventilation needs to be hooded because the shit that doest go out of the fans goes directly into the air and as it cools it floats back down behind you and then gets sucked back past your head. that sux. the attic fan costs 100 bucks at the depot there are three, buy the most or second most expensive. when you are there buy a piece of plywood. cut round hole near the top of it. mount attic fan in. open sliding glass door slide ventilation in. move table a little closer to plywood. now this is what many would do. but there are some sticklers on here that would be much more satisfied if you built a small hood onto the piece of plywood. attic fans push hella air. little fans push little air. Most people on here will not advise you on your other problems until you get this rectified.
I have a buddy who had his torch in a big ass barn. he had 10 of those little fans. I got a headache and queazy within two hours. his ventilation was 5 times better than yours.
this is not the same for every torch but I assume the lynx can handle it. 40 psi oxygen 5 psi propane. you are most likely a scared ass noob so...... turn up the oxygen turn up the propane. glass alchemy (a company that makes color noob) has a real nice kit about flame chemistry. it is 20 dollars and it comes with some colors.
also where the fuck are you at? there are flameworkers in new zealand and saudi arabia, shit, even in texas. pay someone to come help you out to start. they will most likely take pity on you and adopt you as there very own noob.
next time I post on this thread i am going to verbally shit on you. good luck ronnie. by the way I had a friend who called lame ass dudes "ronnies"
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Originally Posted by bildo
I'm not really sure what to say to that lol. I am planning on fixing the ventilation now that I have a much better Idea of what to do. That's part of why I posted a pic of my work space. I do want a safe environment but I know experienced people will spot things I won't so I'm glad it was addressed.
As far as my lynx I'm at 5 propane 10 oxy according to the instructions. I didn't think more oxy pressure matters? If I turn to much oxy in my torch it hisses and the video said to back down then.
I give up. You are yet another jerk, too lazy to do the work, too stubborn to learn. Stop fucking questioning what we say and just fucking do it. Or better yet, give it up. If you honestly read contemporary lampworking then you are too stupid to be a safe lampworker.
I run my lynx oxy @40 and propane @8 5 to 1 ratio should get the best combustion.
Why is anyone helping him run his torch when he doesn't have proper ventilation. First things first people.
^Your totally right aymie my bad. I would get your ventilation sorted out ronnie before you go melting anymore glass. Good ventilation is crucial to working with glass everybody here is giving you good advice I would take it.
^^ I agree, fix your ventilation first, then worry about how to melt glass afterwards. Until then.. forget about everything else & focus on proper ventilation. Stop asking to many questions as it will do you no good right now. Your main concern should be ventilation ONLY right now. You have a lot a work to do to install proper ventilation, make that your number one priority.
Why so much hostility here guys? The man is looking for some info, and everyone is just beating him up. Other than retrofitting a high velocity attic fan, I think the setup looks fine. concrete floors, big open space, what is sketchy about that setup?? Obviously, ventilation is a top priority, but there is no need to ream the guy for asking additional questions while he figures out his venting situation.
It looks like 80% of the people who responded in this thread only joined within the past year or so anyways, so what is up with the "fucking newb use the search engine" attitude. What, once you have been a member for over a year, you have the right to shit on new people asking questions? Not cool.
Ronnyclay, just make sure you get a more powerful fan, retrofit it with some plywood or something, and keep on burning. Don't let anyone turn you off here, there is a wealth of information abound, and sometimes it helps to spend hours and hours of research, combing through old threads, before you post a question that has been answered before.
Good luck with the setup. Let us know if you have any more questions.
I think it's a question of attitude. Dude started off fine searching for info and asking for advice, but when he got the correct answer from multiple sources instead of just accepting it and going ahead with the upgrade, it went into round after round of "But WHY do I need to do that?", while at the same time claiming not to have time to look into the in depth reasons behind it, basically expecting everyone here to hold his hand in learning all the complex in's and out's of ventilation.Quote:
Why so much hostility here guys? The man is looking for some info, and everyone is just beating him up. Other than retrofitting a high velocity attic fan, I think the setup looks fine.
If you're going to come here looking for advice on something that has been covered over and over like this, either accept the consensus response when you get it or go take the time look up the technical details for yourself. Arguing the necessity isn't going to go over well. We can tell you how to set up safely and it's really not that difficult, nobody wants you to poison yourself. But it's not our job to put you through HVAC school to understand WHY it works the way it does.
^^ Damn very well said Hoss. At least you get it.
Wow, this is kind of sad in so many ways.
Ronnie, you might be having problems finding an attic fan because more often they are called gable fans (as in the go in the gables of your home to ventilate hot air out of your attic)
Here is one:
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/master-...l#.UDeXxMFlQmw
It is important to get one. You will want to mount it in a window. Just cut a piece a of plywood that fits into the window frame. Make another cut for your fan. To mount it in there on a temporary basis, you could cut four small holes that you could string c-clamps through to hold it to the window frame. You would then want to figure out some way to seal around those (something like great stuff expanding foam). Since the cut is in the plywood,you wouldn't be putting the foam onto anything permanent, just where the bar of your C-clamp passes through.
I'm trying to think of a good analogy of why it's important to have your fan in the window instead of just sitting in front of your window. Let's think of your room as a hose. A hose ends with a small opening that water can just shoot out. What if instead of that opening, a hose ended at something that looked like a globe style fish aquarium with two openings. The water instead of pouring out the small opening at the end would come out of the hose, and then splash around in that bowl before finally exiting. That splashing and turbulence is exactly what you're trying to avoid, as that water would be air in your room carrying exhaust gases and heavy metals and what not. You need to evacuate that as quickly as possible so you don't breath it in. The setup you have will just have way too much turbulence
I know that's not a great analogy, but that's essentially what is at play here.
Also, these people are trying to help you. It might not seem like it, but no one wants you to hurt yourself. Consider it tough love.
You have more patience than I do icky, but that was a great explanation, complete with instructions.
exactly. Lots of tough love on this site. We're not knitting. Each and every one of us could be killed by making mistakes. Nobody's fucking around when it comes to this stuff. The 30 minutes on a clear piece sounds much more realistic working times for a noob. Maybe you underestimate what a hissing torch sounds like? All torches hiss when oxidizing, they sound like they are shooting out propane and oxygen, that someone has then ignited... HIIISSSSSSSSSS
Don't be scared of your torch, but be super respectful of it. Its okay if its hissing some, and with a gtt better to really open up the valves and pressures, rather than let it run low right? I was under the impression that short candles were a danger sign. Where are you located? You need to meet up with some people in person. You could learn your torch, as most people run lynx's at some point in their life as a center fire, or an independent torch. You might take their ventilation input more seriously in person. So announce your location and get some help buddy.
Wow, everyone says do your research. But you should do yours before you post. As in read what I have said first so you know what the hell your responding to. Has everyone here skipped over the multiple posts I have made stating I am now aware of my ventilation issue, and that I WILL be fixing it? and that I appreciate everyone's time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymie
Have you seen that I clearly said I have researched this for hours every week for six months?
Maybe you all are just better on using a search engine then me. I rarely use forums for anything.
But i am aware it's considered bad etiquette to just randomly post without searching first.
Which is why in my VERY FIRST post I made that clear.
There have been a few helpful responses but not many and frankly it disappoints me as after just being a lurker for half a year I was excited to get to know everyone.
Also why is it bad to ask why something works? I don blindly follow answers without at least trying to understand them so I can both use and improve on the concept. I teach guitar and I would NEVER tell my students to do something without explaining why.
I don't get why I'm getting attacked when I've made it very clear I appreciate th help. Kinda a turn off to this " community" so I'm not sure I want to be part of it.
And no contemporary lampworking has a very brief section on ventilation that did not address my problem.(outdoor or close to out door ventilation) can you honestly point me to a existing thread here that covers that?
I doubt it
Thank you to those that have been helpful. To everyone else you need to find something better to do with your anger and aggression than take it out on a beginner just asking questions I could not find the answers to.
Is there a way to delete this thread or will it clear when I delete my account?
what's wrong with holding someones hand? so what if you have to explain everything in fine detail. teaching can be as fun as learning.
i don't get it.
I'm all about learning the right way and can handle tough love or constructive critisicim but being called stupid ( not by you) and the other attitudes aimed at me are just sad. I was really looking forward to this community but I think I'll find a different one.Quote:
Originally Posted by faded
Thank you much appreciatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Icarus
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Originally Posted by ronnieclaymusic
it seems that some of the people here could have spent half the effort helping you as they did blasting you and this thread would have gone in a better direction.
i really don't get it. :-/
Really ? Someone gave me an answer to my question about leaving all my doors open? Or why ? ( before your post, it has been answered after) just because you feel it was clear doesnt mean i did.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOSS
And if you don't feel it's your job to help me then guess what... You don't have to. But if it's such a waste of your time why bother posting negative crap. Just go use your time elsewhere and don't take part in a conversation if you arnt going to behave nicely as we expect in a society or if you have nothing useful to contribute.
Thank uQuote:
Originally Posted by faded
different colors of glass are made up of different ingredients. some of the metals used in making colored glass can be "unhealthy". i have only heard of 1 person ever dying from glass fumes, but common sense says it's best to avoid breathing them. i've recently done a little bit of research and found some helpful info. hope this helps you as much as it helped me to understand the concerns. :)
http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/arthazards/glass.html
http://www.eastfallsglass.com/safety.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borosilicate_glass
Pretty sure that guy died from an OD (if we are talking about the same person).
Funny how that particular urban legend just won't go away.
I heard a version from some dumb ass that claimed when an autopsy was performed, his entire brain was coated in silver.
Still, good luck on your vent setup. Icarus gave you a solid plan.
Once again...
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Originally Posted by MUPH
i was gonna say "i heard a rumor", but i'm not sure of the details so i played it safe. ;) i understand the importance of proper ventilation, but if it were really that bad we'd see a lot more stories of sick or dying glass blowers. one would think anyways. i asked my DR about it and he immediately stated "glass blowing is bad". i asked "why?" he said "i don't know, i just know it's bad".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecha
ronnie, if you had read all of the posts from noobs past, you would understand better. I am a noob myself (2 years) when I first got on here there was some dude who was getting railed on the same way . I went to back him up, then was quickly shown that the info is here and people want handouts. if you read my post it was reasonably helpful and I didnt go too harsh. Many people on here have responded with helpful attitudes to noobs and then become disenfranchised with noobs because there is a new noob right behind the noob they just helped asking the same noob question. Also we see these posts increasing to 4 pages and then the shit show really starts. Pretty soon the mods will shut this shit down because it might get sloppy. Basically a certain percentage LOVE to pile on. Thick skin noob. This is the best place for info that I have come across and now check this site whenever I sit at computer.
And I mean it "ronnie" next time I post here ..........
I'm done with this site and will not be checking or responding futher. I did my best to be nice. I DID my research just couldn't find all the needed answers so guess its ok to ask questions only if your super good at using a search engine. Im not.
Thx to those who were helpful. Everyone else that aimed any negativity towards me can fuck off. Bye
the thing about ventilation in our current industry, is there has not been a sufficient amount of time on the books for proper research. glassblowing is centuries old, sure. but high metal content colors, silver and gold fuming, big "garage" shops full of high consumption torches, etc...... pretty new in the grand scheme of things. i figure we will have instances from this generation over the next 20-40 years, that will exponentially change glassblowing/lampworking safety. i think the most glaring omission from current info, is eye safety. jesse kohl did a phenomenal, and almost over our head good, presentation on safety in the glass shop at the IFC in Salem this year. i wish there were a video made of it. maybe SCC has the film from the presentation. it would do wonders for everyone to hear all that was said that day.
moral of the story, why not be as safe as you possibly can???? i'd take all the info in this thread, ronnie, and apply to your approach. while this place at times can be harsh on the cover, there is an endless supply of info and good people here, so turning away would be a mistake.
Wow....Lots of this kinda thing this morning. Must be a full moon?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronnieclaymusic
2 much silver in the brain? lol who needs a fan anyhow lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LarryC
Okay, I'll admit, I read a good bit of this thread this morning while pooping. I may have skimmed bits, but it honestly seems to me like guy is legitimately looking for advice. Someone do a search for ventilation real quick. How many results come back? I could see where the dude feels that he has a special situation, that's a cool room for a greenhouse, but kind of odd for a glass studio. But in the end, it's still a room. But remember when all of us first started blowing glass, and we didn't have a clue either? It took me forever to feel like I properly understand ventilation. I had a lot of things that at first seemed like really unique situations, but further on down the road I realize that it was partially my inexperience and partially my perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymie
But anyway, to get back to it, I feel like dude is actually here to legitimately learn, and he did a pretty good job of weathering this at first. Perhaps not so much at the end, but I think I would have gotten a bit pissy myself after a while.
Perhaps it wouldn't hurt too much to give the guy a chance. Time will prove if he's truly interested, or just another Alienscience. I really do think it's the former though. I mean, look at this:
I really do think he's sincere, and it's kind of disappointing to see this thread have gone so brutal.Quote:
Ive been lingering on this forum for so long the last thing I wanted to do was come across wrong to the community and make a bad first impression which is why again I said pleas don't take my words or questions the wrong way as I know I'm not good at communicating in text form.
So again I thank you
And besides, fuck, it's almost the weekend, what could it hurt to lay off the guy a bit and go have some drinks?
Sounds like a plan.
After work, I am heading into the house for a nice drink.
Or two.
Cheers bro!
Thank you Icarus. Would it be ok for me to start a new progression thread? This one is hardly going to turn into something productive.
I can't see why not, just give it a notably different name and let this one burn out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronnieclaymusic
This dude gives free music lessons on his website. Wonder if he tells people to google shit when they have a question, then calls them stupid when they ask him to explain concepts.