Is scientific typically an hourly wage, or piecemeal? I've always wondered how those guys do (financially) overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloringdan
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Is scientific typically an hourly wage, or piecemeal? I've always wondered how those guys do (financially) overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloringdan
Just yesterday the owner of out local "Weedery" said " I pay $5 each for those" I told him i would not pay $5 for those carbon copy slave labor china spoons.Quote:
Originally Posted by KT-Old School Glass
The employees were picking out the ones in my case they were going to buy, many were never going to reach the shelf.
like serving steak and lobster in McDonalds. :)
I may be a noob with almost 4 years on me but I make a much nicer pipe then those shitty import pipes.
Sitting next to those carbon copy pipes mine are all works of art. Its just a shame the Manager wants to stock that china shit at all.
The imports are gathering dust because they suck.
That "I pay $5 for those" is something I want to get out of their head by giving them a much better alternative for just a few more dollars. I did manage to get him to buy 19 spoons for $120, a whopping $6.31 each. :tongue2:
Yeah I charge 50 cents more on everything I can too. But a $5 wrap and rake per 100 piece order is not bad.
Leaving a shop with $500 is way better than $150 arguing over nickel and dimes.
No disrespect, but that is the issue that keeps driving wholesale prices down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad
You cut your own throat for future sales by not standing your ground and making it seem you are desperate to make the sale.
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Eh it’s dog eat dog. Guy actually called me because another glassblower was selling him inside out spoons for that price. He got me confused with him. I negotiated a sample order for $100 . Then they said they would order.
You are probably right that we all are kind of desperate but I really want a chain store in nyc. So I am bending over backwards to make it happen. We have been negotiating since thanksgiving.
i wont even turn my torch on for 5 dollars
well here is the deal, they buy those pipes for like a 1.25 actually. I have seen the catalogs. I make five dollar fumed spoons because my first distributor required it and I am a hard money hustler. In 24 hours with some prodo tricks I made 115 5$ fumed spoons and 23 5$ slide bowls, finished up the bowls in four hours last night. And I have ten or so more products I will make this store including some 35$ bongs. It pays to make these cheap products and stay in biz. I am pretty stoked that I crushed my spoon record and I swear I dont have to break my back any more, and clean as fuck #littonlovestory
so I wont turn my torch on for 5$ either dude, but I turn it on to make 5$ shit and its one of the most profitable things I am aware of that I can do. I suffer burn out though. getting a prodo recycler on deck soon though. when I get burn out and have the time, work on recyclers that get cut up on the wet saw and tossed.
Amazing. I need pictures.
I don’t get out of bed for less than $100 myself. I make a lot of different designs too for more money.
750$ in 2 days is not bad I dont feel like. I was in my garage, I was high as fuck, I was doing my dishes in the sink.............. I weighed 500 lbs...... see where I am going here?? Even funnier is that I did these pipes on old kimble I bought off a guy for about 10 cents a pound, and I used like 10 pieces maybe so far. I also make a one hitter chillum textured and gold and silver fumed that I learned from a glass blower on this forum named "fifdeez" and I get 4 $ a piece for those and I can do about 750 of them in two days. prodo tricks... ask every 99er their prodo tricks and their fume tricks when you meet one peace super high yal and off topic
I will post pics no problem I am actually making a catalog with only four products for a local chain in new orleans area, and I planned to publish it, proudly posting a pic of this 115 spoon run. super stoked on the numbers. It just shows how many I have made over these few years
Pictures or it never happened. Swear impossible.
Maybe we should team up because I sell a lot of glass? I sell more than I can make. I’m wondering how involved these pieces are.
Nomad is has never needed to work as hard as swim. So ignore the peanut gallery.
I will vouch for swim . I worked in his shop, stayed at his house.
P.s. SWIM, Dont post up those onies, they are $$. Keep that to yourself.
No one called him a lier. Just I have never seen in 20 years what he speaks of.
As far as working. I have been blowing glass in 100 degrees since 7:30 am today. At 3:00 I start my second job. So I work 2 jobs for $250 a day if I am lucky.
Just say.
I know right? The most out spoken is the least relatable and the least productive.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoRo
I'll second the motion of not posting prodo. I have prodo lines that are 500 per easy day that I would never show anyone but a store. If there is one less person making my same products, the better off I am.
I certainly wouldn't post prodo just to shut up the peanut gallery, regardless of how appealing that may sound
But my sales thread being that long has a lot of customers pm me on a regular basis.
word, I will post the spoons though, and the spoon thing is not a single bit exagerated. I have taking some classes, and made ten of thousands of spoons. I came up with a way to prep this out on my lathe with some smart thinking and of course I worked hard doing this the long way when I had to ruin myself for a day because I made 43 spoons the day before, all that shit helped. Sadly, my five dollar spoon, I could live off it if I had to and its just soooo much better than working inside the system and giving up my life. I am a very involved father and my kids know me. I have alot to be thankful for even though I get depressed. BoRo, thankfully is one of my teachers, he really upped my aesthetics on all fronts and got me started on line work (and my brother, when I get paid, I will send you gas money, just come work, come collab, I am ready to get fucking silly making lamps on the lathe, the shop is sooo much better too, and I have you a bed and bedroom this time, come take care of my chickens yo, love you) . If I actually had a pipe finisher, like someone to push bowl, pop carb, flatten and take off the handle, I could do 250ish in a day, and the spoon can be way nicer than just my 5$ shape
You are using a lathe?
Yeah most I have done in a day is 38 spoons with color on the end and a milli marble for good stash years ago. Crappiest production job ever but I pushed myself to make a lot of product for a little money.
I was the fastest guy in the studio in California too. They had an awesome lathe team too. It was a job I took because I thought I needed a real job. It was an experience for sure. Not sure I would do it again. I’m much better off without that company.
Im done working for anyone else. If I wanted to start a new job id go buy a taco truck.
I may never be rich but I would eat well.
I agree just I do bbq trailer better.
We don’t have any taco trucks around here. That would be cool if we did though. Mostly just bbq or hot dogs. Halal trucks in the city though. They have middle eastern food. Actually in the city we have Mexican but that is far.
You name a cuisine, it's here. Even one offs like Ethiopian and Vietnamese.
We have a lot of sit down places just not a lot of roadside food trucks other than bbq and hot dogs.
I went to happy hour last night at a New Mexican place. It had a nice bar and cheap drinks. It’s 5 minutes down the street too.
yeah, I am like a year and a half into being on a lathe, and I can work without it but not nearly the same. I suppose some people may think its a travesty to make fumed spoons by the hundred on the lathe but its way better than off hand. I made 10 hammer bubs today already, I have made the largest parts of a big order and now I am squeezing in side items. Gonna make stash jars and one piece sherlocks and of course, this guy loves grommet bongs, and I am gonna make some. fuuuuuuuuu
yeah nomad, I handle up to everything on he lathe, like when I make inside out spoons, I make 30 flares on big ass tube and get busy, makes my numbers stay high, build big cane on the lathe then pull it down by hand. every single thing I do when I am in this mode is mass production minded. I just need three of me, like the old school glassbrother said way earlier in the thread, my ceiling is my productivity level. far as the lathe is concerned, if I am making anything, from a marble to a wrap and rake nomad style pipe, I handle up to all my blanks on the lathe. It pays for itself.
In general scientific jobs do not pay super high wages. Most are hourly wages, and all the ones I've seen were approx 50-70K a year at most. I'm sure there are exceptions to that for master glassblowers and experienced positions but I've seen a lot in that 50-70K range that wanted 5-10 years experience. They tend to pay you less, but also usually supply lathes, kilns, gasses, glass and a space to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by OceanMelt
I also know of scientific workers who do piece work, mostly repairs in a personal studio. They tend to earn more (100-400/hour depending on project) but also have limited workloads and don't always work full time.
I have heard they make like 15$ an hour unless they are masters with their own shop and an established customer base. All the sci guys I have met at classes said I had plenty enough skills and knowledge to get hired but that the work was way more mindless that bowl making in the factories up there in new england
If swim is not going to post a spoon pic..
Think , " bong made out of vertical spoons, break off one at a time to finish."
Yeah, from what I've heard that pretty accurate. Your basically considered a semi skilled factory worker. The numbers I gave were the highest I have seen here in Australia where wages are a little higher than the US, $15-20 a hour here is not uncommon for someone with less than 5 years experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim
Cool. I would still like to see what your glass looks like. But that is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim
At goodstash they had a team of awesome mexican and south american glass lathe team. They hardly spoke english but I got to hang and see them work for a while. It was cool.
They would turn out 2 bongs at once on the lathe. It was really cool to watch. But hot as hell in that area for sure.
I don't know but I might rather just get a furnace myself.
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I used to have one of these but my brother broke it in college. It was like $150 retail. It was a great bong. Originally they were designed by Tommy Chong.
Yeah I used to be a slave. Swear I was the Slaver on that ship too. It was like 50 cents extra per piece to be the lead guy.
About what I expected. Still seems great for a young person who wants to learn glass and develop solid fundamental skills. If only one could go back.......Quote:
Originally Posted by lost nebula
I have a buddy named josh cohen that makes big bongs out of furnace and yeah. after seeing that shit, fuck making a big bong on a lathe, I also have a smallish lathe though. my bongs are made on thirty eight mm and about 13 inches tall, nothing special, but I get to sell a few every order to a particular shop. I would make the dude a new jar to hold his girlfriends severed head in daily if he needed the head space. making prodo has become a job fer sher
I will take a video and post it on my instagram of the 115 spoons, posting here is difficult
I see the tree you are barking up. The skills you have are probably convertible to other trades (like welding.) It's a sad thing if artists have to go there, though. But I get it.
When I started LampWork in 2000 I thought it was too late to make a living. After a stay at home Dad thing.....I'm more concerned.
I think it's a "Get famous like Mickelsen, etc. Or be your Mom's friend's best customer."
Pipes are like selling American crap against china crap...And stoners want the cheapest thing available.
Pendants and jars might get you by.....But selling is the problem. Prodo doesn't equal pay. Etsey is no solution either....
I even know of some known high end glassblowers that are struggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by christopherobin
In my area, pendants, marbles, beads, etc. don't sell, period. Even at craft fairs and the like.
I'm at a point in my life that I need stability and think of my future. I need to think about retirement. I need to think about my family.
Prodo pipes have no future. The wholesale prices will continue to stay stagnant while EVERYTHING else will continue to rise in price.
I've been a business person longer than I have been a glasblower. I keep my eyes open for economic trends. Not just glass, but world economics. Our economy is looking to be going into another slump. I don't want to be caught with my pants down with another economic downward spiral, again.
And, no, this is not about politics, I won't even entertain the thought of having a political conversation.
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