HMK's mediocre glass thread

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

i do do

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Amazing.

thats all vons baby,, you can watch em do it in 3 min or less or its free,, and buy 6 get 1 free gotta love it... i make sure n use my xes number once in a while so i get her free sammwich too what a ass hole huh....

cripz.... to try a different technique....put some of those jalepeno chips on the sandwich...you can get really awesome texturing affects....sick piece by the way...also you should check out these headie pieces....

These guys make some super headies!

New toasted tech!

These guys make Heady Prodo!

More super headies!

Kut I like your stuff and have enjoyed watching you progress along here.

All in fun bro. My little brother when he was young used to get all riled up when me and my other brothers picked on him. The more pissed he would get the more we poked the bear.

Just sayin.

Take it with a grain of salt and have a sense of humor, the persona you have created for yourself on here makes you ripe for parody.

fine. you poke, me, i can poke back. and i am your older brother, watch yerself punk!

That's just the thing, I didn't poke you. I just commented on something I thought was funny.

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Originally Posted by Boiseno Glassworks

That's just the thing, I didn't poke you. I just commented on something I thought was funny.

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theres a pack of goofs posting sandwich pictures and talking about them. i think you joined that crowd. it kind lumps you as one of them. i joined the crowd too by shoving all the spam sandwiches back in peoples faces. yours was one of them.

lol some riley up fanboi gave me an infraction too, not sure for what haha.

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

i joined the crowd too by shoving all the spam sandwiches back in peoples faces. yours was one of them.

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thanks for bumping my thread, got me some extra rep for nothing

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

theres a pack of goofs posting sandwich pictures and talking about them. i think you joined that crowd. it kind lumps you as one of them. i joined the crowd too by shoving all the spam sandwiches back in peoples faces. yours was one of them.

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I guess your right. No offense meant.

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

i see no msds report for grade 2 ti or grade1 there. there is a list of elements not in pure titanium there tho. grade 2 ti has no heavy metals. only real metal listed is iron, just a bit of oxygen and hydrogen. some nitrogen.

http://asm.matweb.com/search/Specifi...bassnum=MTU020

http://www.cornes.com.sg/titanium.htm

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you didn't link me an msds, actually the website you linked referenced my website "Material Notes:
Information provided by Allvac..."

reading helps, like I said in my post TI grade 1 is "Ti CP-1", grade 2 is "Ti CP-2" so when you look at the sheet, notice it has 'Ti CP-1' and Ti CP-2" at the top as one of the alloys discussed in the msds that's what they're talking about. and I got the msds from a raw titanium supplier that people use for pads and nails. it seems to me no one has ever proven this is safe, all the TI fanbois just say 'prove it isn't' and that's good enough for them. grade 2 titanium is not a pure metal, it's an alloy just like any metal we use that's not a pure element

http://www.allvac.com/Allvac/pages/M...se%20Alloy.pdf

I don't care how often glass nails or pads break, I'd still rather use them, the cost is negligible, and when annealed properly then used and heated properly it will last a LONG time

i just use a curly straw, and some tin foil!

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

ya i agree. you can post that in my thread if you want.

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here ya go!

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/r...msammiches.jpg

im not sure what your link shows either. there is no msds for pure elements i dont think, at least i didnt see one for pure titanium when i googled briefly. all i can tell you is that titanium 1 and 2 are not alloys, and dont have all those metals listed in the link you provided. it seems misleading, and i could not find any info directly and only relevant to ti grade 1 or 2 there. seriously, its not an alloy, go do some research. i learned about this at least like 5 years ago. i am not usre if you realiz but cp mean commercially pure. the alloy grades dont have cp on them.

http://www.steelforge.com/forgings/a...ade2report.php

http://www.exprobase.com/Default.aspx?page=278

http://www.magellanmetals.com/Ti_Gr2.html

and here an MSDS that makes it clear for you actually if you scan, you will find ti cp in there.

http://www.ticotitanium.com/wp-conte...um%20Alloy.pdf

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Originally Posted by dudleybivens

you didn't link me an msds, actually the website you linked referenced my website "Material Notes:
Information provided by Allvac..."

reading helps, like I said in my post TI grade 1 is "Ti CP-1", grade 2 is "Ti CP-2" so when you look at the sheet, notice it has 'Ti CP-1' and Ti CP-2" at the top as one of the alloys discussed in the msds that's what they're talking about. and I got the msds from a raw titanium supplier that people use for pads and nails. it seems to me no one has ever proven this is safe, all the TI fanbois just say 'prove it isn't' and that's good enough for them. grade 2 titanium is not a pure metal, it's an alloy just like any metal we use that's not a pure element

http://www.allvac.com/Allvac/pages/M...se%20Alloy.pdf

I don't care how often glass nails or pads break, I'd still rather use them, the cost is negligible, and when annealed properly then used and heated properly it will last a LONG time

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

im not sure what your link shows either. there is no msds for pure elements i dont think, at least i didnt see one for pure titanium when i googled briefly. all i can tell you is that titanium 1 and 2 are not alloys, and dont have all those metals listed in the link you provided. it seems misleading, and i could not find any info directly and only relevant to ti grade 1 or 2 there. seriously, its not an alloy, go do some research. i learned about this at least like 5 years ago. i am not usre if you realiz but cp mean commercially pure. the alloy grades dont have cp on them.

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there is no msds for pure elements 'you don't think' at least you didn't see when you 'googled briefly' I'm glad that's the attitude you have towards safety

you are not using a pure element! grade 2 titanium is not pure, neither is grade 1. maybe you don't speak english no goods. Ti CP-2 (the manufacturers name for it) = grade 2 titanium (your word for it) so notice the msds that I linked to you includes Titanium grade 2 (Ti CP-2). your titanium grade 2 is not pure titanium, it's an alloy, like I mentioned, and like this manufacturer mentions. the CP stands for "commercially pure" which still isn't pure titanium, allvac says grade 2 has iron, carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and "others" this was listed in a website you linked also, so I'm not sure why you say grade 2 ti is 'pure' it's an alloy.

"makes it clear for if you actually scan" maybe you should actually read what's presented to you so you can understand

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
1 - COMPANY AND PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
PRODUCT CLASS: Titanium-Base Alloys DESCRIPTION: Solid product, various forms and uses
MANUFACTURER: INFO. PHONE: 704-289-4511
ATI Allvac CHEMTREC: 800-424-9300
2020 Ashcraft Avenue DATE OF APPROVAL: 6/17/09
Monroe, NC 28110
ATI Allvac Alloys:
ATI 30, Ti CP-1, ATI 40, Ti CP-2, ATI 55, Ti CP-3, ATI 70, Ti CP-4, ATI Grade 7, ATI Grade 12, ATI 3-2.5, ATI 6-4, ATI 6-4ELI,
ATI 8-1-1, ATI 6-7, ATI 6-6-2, ATI 6-2-4-2, ATI 6-2-4-2-Si, ATI Ti-15Mo, ATI 6-2-4-6, ATI Ti-17, Stryker
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, TMZF®
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, ATI 15-3-3-3,
ATI 38-644™, ATI TiOsteum®, ATI TiOstalloy®, ATI Ti-5-5-5-3, ATI 425®, ATI 10-2-3™

also, you still haven't proven it's safe, you only say prove it isn't safe, which several people have brought up reasonable research and concerns which you discard lightly. my link is not misleading, it's a very clear msds on what the titanium grade 2 alloy (along with grade 1 and the other alloys) is made of and what the associated dangers are.

if you don't know what my link shows, maybe you don't know how to read an msds and perhaps you shouldn't be giving safety advice to others.
http://www.allvac.com/Allvac/pages/M...se%20Alloy.pdf

i only googled briefly because its ridiculous to waste much time proving commercially pure titanium is not an alloy, so i am trying to not waste a lot on you.

its not an alloy, if you cant decipher the data, go ask a scientist or something. cp1 titanium is the purest form of titanium available for commercial uses. its not alloyed with anything, its made to be as pure as they can make it. they add tiny bits of oxygen and the few others listed below to give it different properties.

"About 50 grades of titanium and titanium alloys are designated and currently used, although only a couple of dozen are readily available commercially.[43] The ASTM International recognizes 31 Grades of titanium metal and alloys, of which Grades 1 through 4 are commercially pure (unalloyed). These four are distinguished by their varying degrees of tensile strength, as a function of oxygen content, with Grade 1 being the most ductile (lowest tensile strength with an oxygen content of 0.18%), and Grade 4 the least (highest tensile strength with an oxygen content of 0.40%).[15] The remaining grades are alloys, each designed for specific purposes, be it ductility, strength, hardness, electrical resistivity, creep resistance, resistance to corrosion from specific media, or a combination thereof"

and if you looked at the links i posted, you would see clearly what is in ti cp2. as little as possible. i suggest you go check wiki too, it may clear it up for you if you like wiki :)

read the first couple lines in this link please:

http://asm.matweb.com/search/Specifi...bassnum=MTU020

Titanium Grade 2

Subcategory: Metal; Nonferrous Metal; Titanium Alloy; Unalloyed/Modified Titanium

Close Analogs: Titanium Grades 1,2,3,4,7,11,and 12 are all considered unalloyed and have similar mechanical properties.

Key Words: ASTM Grade 2; UNS R50400, CP titanium, C.P. titanium alloy
Component Wt. %
C Max 0.1
Fe Max 0.3
H Max 0.015
N Max 0.03
O Max 0.25
Ti 99.2

http://www.toolingu.com/definition-2...-titanium.html

"What is the definition of commercially pure titanium?

Unalloyed titanium characterized by an alpha phase hexagonal close-packed crystal structure. Commercially pure titanium is over 99.6% titanium with traces of carbon, iron, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen."

99.6% ain't bad.. But it ain't pure.

Also interesting:http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/d...-titanium.html

What are the Symptoms of Titanium Exposure?

The natural source of titanium is not toxic to the body, so whatever amount of the element we take into our bodies naturally, we can usually get rid of without it causing distress.

Titanium compounds, on the other hand, can provide a number of health risks. For instance, titanium tetrachloride is extremely irritating to the skin and inhaling enough of it can cause severe lung damage to the point of death. In laboratory tests, rats that breathed titanium tetrachloride over the course of two years were found to have developed tumors in their lungs. Even with that evidence, titanium tetrachloride has not been classified as a human carcinogen by the EPA, the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) or the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC).

ALSO found this post by you Mr. Kut over on TC. Interesting read. Quoted entirely for full disclosure.


http://tokecity.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=133

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

Originally Posted by NolaSmoker View Post
^I don't see the logic. If the Ti we are using is supposed to be safe (meaning doesn't give off bad properties until heated to a certain temp), why would hitting it dry make a difference?


well, i think someone said i believed something or knew something about this as fact, but imo im actually unsure of harmful effects, but i do know some actual facts about what you are talking about, such as people say the white stuff that forms on a pad over time is titanium dioxide, and they worry that inhaling it is harmful(could be true, but its not a known major poison i dont think), so the logic is inhaling oil thru a device with no water gives the possibility of sucking the ti oxide white stuff directly into your lung. im not sure if it actually leaves the pad at all, or if it makes it into your lung, or if its harmful, but what i do know for sure, that makes me always use enough water to cover diffy holes, is that hitting drier, especially right of of a vaping device(glass, or any metal) is harsher. the water prolly cools it a bit. and if the ti oxide powder can actually get thru the vape, its nice to know the water will most likely grab most if not all of it on its way thru. all i know is, my lungs and throat are still great and also far improved from my weed/hash smoking days, and its been quite a few years now. my dad is the same. we both have a much higher quality of respiratory systems than we used to before we switched over fulltime to oil only, back around 04. he's getting close to 70 too, so hes happy to be able to toke and breathe well.

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And then from the same thread:

http://www.ccohs.ca/headlines/text186.html

Titanium Dioxide Classified as Possibly Carcinogenic to Humans

Titanium dioxide has recently been classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) as an IARC Group 2B carcinogen ''possibly carcinogen to humans''. Titanium dioxide accounts for 70% of the total production volume of pigments worldwide. It is widely used to provide whiteness and opacity to products such as paints, plastics, papers, inks, foods, and toothpastes. It is also used in cosmetic and skin care products, and it is present in almost every sunblock, where it helps protect the skin from ultraviolet light.

With such widespread use of titanium dioxide, it is important to understand that the IARC conclusions are based on very specific evidence. This evidence showed that high concentrations of pigment-grade (powdered) and ultrafine titanium dioxide dust caused respiratory tract cancer in rats exposed by inhalation and intratracheal instillation*. The series of biological events or steps that produce the rat lung cancers (e.g. particle deposition, impaired lung clearance, cell injury, fibrosis, mutations and ultimately cancer) have also been seen in people working in dusty environments. Therefore, the observations of cancer in animals were considered, by IARC, as relevant to people doing jobs with exposures to titanium dioxide dust. For example, titanium dioxide production workers may be exposed to high dust concentrations during packing, milling, site cleaning and maintenance, if there are insufficient dust control measures in place. However, it should be noted that the human studies conducted so far do not suggest an association between occupational exposure to titanium dioxide and an increased risk for cancer.

The Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System (WHMIS) is Canada's hazard communication standard. The WHMIS Controlled Products Regulations require that chemicals, listed in Group 1 or Group 2 in the IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of the Carcinogenic Risk of Chemicals to Humans, be classified under WHMIS Class D2A (carcinogenic). The classification decision on titanium dioxide has been published on the IARC website and in a summary article published in The Lancet

Representatives from Health Canada (National Office of WHMIS) recently consulted with the Quebec CSST and CCOHS (the two main agencies providing WHMIS classifications to the public) regarding the implications of the IARC decision to the WHMIS classification of titanium dioxide. It was agreed that titanium dioxide does now meet the criteria for WHMIS D2A (carcinogen) based on the information released by IARC to date, and that it is not necessary to wait for release of the full monograph.

Manufacturers and suppliers of titanium dioxide are advised to review and update their material safety data sheets and product labels based on this new information as soon as possible. Employers should review their occupational hygiene programs to ensure that exposure to titanium dioxide dust is eliminated or reduced to the minimum possible. Workers should be educated concerning this potential newly recognized risk to their health and trained in proper work procedures.

* Intratracheal administration is an exposure procedure that introduces the material directly into the lungs via the trachea, bypassing protective mechanisms in the respiratory system.



So you're ok using a substance that you admit to not knowing if it's toxic or not? Not only using but selling? What if in 5 years all of your Kuttinites start dropping like flies?

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Originally Posted by dudleybivens

also, you still haven't proven it's safe, you only say prove it isn't safe

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i never said that. i dont really care what you believe. good luck :)

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Originally Posted by TlkQ

http://www.toolingu.com/definition-2...-titanium.html

"What is the definition of commercially pure titanium?

Unalloyed titanium characterized by an alpha phase hexagonal close-packed crystal structure. Commercially pure titanium is over 99.6% titanium with traces of carbon, iron, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen."

99.6% ain't bad.. But it ain't pure.

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no shit sherlock, did someone say its pure? no... but its not alloyed with all the noxious metals good buddy listed as the msds for all grades of titanium. its not an alloy. and you cant list one msds that cover all 50 or so grades of titanium. you would need a seperate one for each.

So . . . . can we try this whole titanium thing in another direction?

What can he use that everyone would agree was safe?

For example, what if you used a titanium bullion coin? An actual coin used as the pad?

Could be a good investment for both Kut and the retail buyer.

Oh, and btw, post 1000 . . .

i'm getting sick of this lame little infraction war. the next sandwich (or other nonsense) based infraction receives an infraction in turn from me. stay the fuck out of each others threads if you don't have something constructive to add. my banstick is getting a little rusty, don't push.

letseee some glass :)

:)


http://dj-hash.com/xavier/bfi1.jpg

http://dj-hash.com/xavier/bfi2.jpg

looking good!!!!!

Sweet rig Kut. I dig those colors a lot!

Nice little unit there kut. Linework looks good.

beautiful colors! nice clean shaping

thanks guys, getting gooder. slowly yet surly. i figured out how to do better linework marbles recently studying an opas bowl, that was the first one after my minor eureka moment. i really am starting to like the 35 line tube pull(50 x 5) for lots of depth of colors and gradients etc too.

nice 1 dude

that does look good,, way better than cock.. hehe

im diggin the color pull more and more, esp the splash of steel wool, and like how clean the reversal termination points are

I see about 16 lines in that pull there kut, are you workin on a new one with 50 as the inside tube? That's a big hunk of molten goodness if you are.

yea it seems that for prep is the only thing he uses that beast of a torch for really. and once again ill correct your grammer your getting mildly better not gooder.

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Originally Posted by hashmasta-kut

thanks guys, getting gooder. slowly yet surly. i figured out how to do better linework marbles recently studying an opas bowl, that was the first one after my minor eureka moment. i really am starting to like the 35 line tube pull(50 x 5) for lots of depth of colors and gradients etc too.

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MESSAGE ME THE HINT! lol

great progress buddy

your lineowrk is getting REAL good! I love the section you sunk into the belly

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Originally Posted by Albino Sasquatch

yea it seems that for prep is the only thing he uses that beast of a torch for really. and once again ill correct your grammer your getting mildly better not gooder.

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Can i correct your spelling and punctuation then?

That is a good looking piece HMK.

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Originally Posted by TlkQ

http://www.toolingu.com/definition-2...-titanium.html

"What is the definition of commercially pure titanium?

Unalloyed titanium characterized by an alpha phase hexagonal close-packed crystal structure. Commercially pure titanium is over 99.6% titanium with traces of carbon, iron, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen."

99.6% ain't bad.. But it ain't pure.

Also interesting:http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/d...-titanium.html

What are the Symptoms of Titanium Exposure?

The natural source of titanium is not toxic to the body, so whatever amount of the element we take into our bodies naturally, we can usually get rid of without it causing distress.

Titanium compounds, on the other hand, can provide a number of health risks. For instance, titanium tetrachloride is extremely irritating to the skin and inhaling enough of it can cause severe lung damage to the point of death. In laboratory tests, rats that breathed titanium tetrachloride over the course of two years were found to have developed tumors in their lungs. Even with that evidence, titanium tetrachloride has not been classified as a human carcinogen by the EPA, the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) or the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC).

ALSO found this post by you Mr. Kut over on TC. Interesting read. Quoted entirely for full disclosure.


http://tokecity.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=133



And then from the same thread:

http://www.ccohs.ca/headlines/text186.html

Titanium Dioxide Classified as Possibly Carcinogenic to Humans

Titanium dioxide has recently been classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) as an IARC Group 2B carcinogen ''possibly carcinogen to humans''. Titanium dioxide accounts for 70% of the total production volume of pigments worldwide. It is widely used to provide whiteness and opacity to products such as paints, plastics, papers, inks, foods, and toothpastes. It is also used in cosmetic and skin care products, and it is present in almost every sunblock, where it helps protect the skin from ultraviolet light.

With such widespread use of titanium dioxide, it is important to understand that the IARC conclusions are based on very specific evidence. This evidence showed that high concentrations of pigment-grade (powdered) and ultrafine titanium dioxide dust caused respiratory tract cancer in rats exposed by inhalation and intratracheal instillation*. The series of biological events or steps that produce the rat lung cancers (e.g. particle deposition, impaired lung clearance, cell injury, fibrosis, mutations and ultimately cancer) have also been seen in people working in dusty environments. Therefore, the observations of cancer in animals were considered, by IARC, as relevant to people doing jobs with exposures to titanium dioxide dust. For example, titanium dioxide production workers may be exposed to high dust concentrations during packing, milling, site cleaning and maintenance, if there are insufficient dust control measures in place. However, it should be noted that the human studies conducted so far do not suggest an association between occupational exposure to titanium dioxide and an increased risk for cancer.

The Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System (WHMIS) is Canada's hazard communication standard. The WHMIS Controlled Products Regulations require that chemicals, listed in Group 1 or Group 2 in the IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of the Carcinogenic Risk of Chemicals to Humans, be classified under WHMIS Class D2A (carcinogenic). The classification decision on titanium dioxide has been published on the IARC website and in a summary article published in The Lancet

Representatives from Health Canada (National Office of WHMIS) recently consulted with the Quebec CSST and CCOHS (the two main agencies providing WHMIS classifications to the public) regarding the implications of the IARC decision to the WHMIS classification of titanium dioxide. It was agreed that titanium dioxide does now meet the criteria for WHMIS D2A (carcinogen) based on the information released by IARC to date, and that it is not necessary to wait for release of the full monograph.

Manufacturers and suppliers of titanium dioxide are advised to review and update their material safety data sheets and product labels based on this new information as soon as possible. Employers should review their occupational hygiene programs to ensure that exposure to titanium dioxide dust is eliminated or reduced to the minimum possible. Workers should be educated concerning this potential newly recognized risk to their health and trained in proper work procedures.

* Intratracheal administration is an exposure procedure that introduces the material directly into the lungs via the trachea, bypassing protective mechanisms in the respiratory system.



So you're ok using a substance that you admit to not knowing if it's toxic or not? Not only using but selling? What if in 5 years all of your Kuttinites start dropping like flies?

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Soo uhh did he just prove ti forms titanium dioxide that white shit then causses cancer? Seems like epic fail to me

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Originally Posted by Albino Sasquatch

yea it seems that for prep is the only thing he uses that beast of a torch for really. and once again ill correct your grammer your getting mildly better not gooder.

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i had the money, it was available then. most likely if there came a time i decided i NEEDED one, it would be not available for many moons. of course i jumped on it when i had the chance, although except for the odd goblet or mug, and prep, that all i use it for ya. if it bothers you, sorry. just let it go :)

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Originally Posted by Boiseno Glassworks

I see about 16 lines in that pull there kut, are you workin on a new one with 50 as the inside tube? That's a big hunk of molten goodness if you are.

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its a 35 line tube pull on 50 x 5. i just do retro style, i stripe on either 32 x 4, or 50 x 5. 32x4 gives ~ 16, 50x5 ~ 35.

cheesebox, no he did not. if you notice one key bit of relevant information:

"However, it should be noted that the human studies conducted so far do not suggest an association between occupational exposure to titanium dioxide and an increased risk for cancer. "

and you see how they force fed the rats the powder?

"* Intratracheal administration is an exposure procedure that introduces the material directly into the lungs via the trachea, bypassing protective mechanisms in the respiratory system."

sounds like mega more than you ever will see using ti pads( if you are exposed to any TiO2 at all using them), and shoving a tube down your throat and pouring it in... harsh.

sure icarus go for it im just hacking on kut. all he makes is these little units with that koboki he has ive been hoping to see somthing a little larger show up one of these days.