Electric flamingo like ?
Pink u.v. ?
Anyone try some yet?
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Electric flamingo like ?
Pink u.v. ?
Anyone try some yet?
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I managed to get some pushed on me early, and I am trying to sell it. I coiled a spoon up, and it works fine. It is clear unless its under a uv flashlight. I have recently realized that there are two types of UV.... you have the stuff like illuminati and the old corning uranium, and then you have ones that do the same thing under a blacklight as lemon drop or strike red chinese color (un-struck of course). It basically refracts UV light, it is not UV reactive. I feel like this is false advertisement. The ones that only refract UV are pretty wack IMO
I'm not sure if your terminology is wrong or you're not understanding how these work, or if it's just been far too many years since I was studying the physics of light and optics, but "refraction" can't result in the changing of color transmission. It can, in the case of prisms and multi-spectral light, split the spectrum into it's components, but you can't just shift the frequency of light through refraction alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuzz
Lucy, Flamingo, Lemon Drop, Photon, Illuminati, etc - all the colors that look one way under broad spectrum (white) light, and a different color under narrow spectrum UV light are "UV Reactive".
The technical term for what they do is called fluorescence, it's a chemical reaction between the various fluorescent chemicals in the glass and the wavelength of light they respond to. Basically, light goes in at λn and is altered by the atomic properties of something like manganese or uranium, and emitted as λn*x where x is whatever the state change is produced by the chemical, usually shifting the light to a lower energy state with a longer period. (lower frequency)
In audio you can sort of compare it to resonance and harmonics. The light hits an atom of uranium, it bounces it around and starts to vibrate it to the point that vibration is emitted as a new wavelength of visible light.
As for Lucy, what I've seen of it personally it looks virtually indistinguishable from Electric Flamingo from GA. Putting 2 rods side by side and asking which is which you'll get a 50/50 split on answers, but my stash of flamingo is brighter and clearer than the lucy I've played with.
I have not done and research, this is just the description I came up with. Basically I am saying that new strike red rods and lemon drop have more uv effect than this color. As well this is the same experience I had with the space glass atomic colors. I got a regular blacklight and a uv flashlight and compared a lot of colors because I was disappointed with the effect of several of them. The only ones that I think have enough pop are the uranium based glasses. The others are weak sauce IMO. Each to their own, but I think it would make them harder to sell to a shop considering they have a mild uv effect. Even the pink flamingo is uber weak in my opinion. I know everyone is over illuminati, but I think that is the only one of these colors worth the hype
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The illuminati glows, but the others seem to just change color a bit in the flashlight. Some of them have zero effect in a standard old school blackmlight
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Ya it seems like your expected to smoke outta this glass only at raves! Lol
but electric flamingo glows pinkish quite strongly for sure, and its not a uranium one. its intense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuzz
Wonder if there are more saturated batches than others. The stuff we got glows pretty nice. It's a different element clearly in the glass than uranium. So, nothing is going to pop quite like the Uranium stuff does. UV Reactive and Uranium glass, while similar, should probably not be compared for brightness of flourescing
For example, all the trans oranges out there right now, they do react to UV light. But, it's really just a slight color shift, due as much to how purple light looks reflecting off of orange glass as any small amount of fluorescing that is present. The Lucy though, did seem to actually fluoresce to me.
Skuzz does have a point though. I haven't used Lucy yet but Illuminati pops so much better than electric flamingo. I've got an orange crush pendent too that is uv reactive but when I point a black light at it it literally looks like I'm just shining a light on it. Super hard to see the UV reaction. Don't get me wrong, I like the option and will probably grab some lucy myself but I'm also looking for that next best thing and I don't think Lucy is it.
In my limited experience I found that Lucy glows better under blacklight bulb than Flamingo but that flamingo wins in the Flashlight UV test.
It seems to be nice working glass to me. Not boily or anything. The flamingo I have has less air than the lucy, not that lucy has much. Hard to tell a difference between the two. The lucy I just recieved had one rod of white moretti in it too... anybody else get that?
That makes no sense tho. It's like saying "Vehicles and Ford mustangs, while similar..." Uranium doped glass colors are only a single variety of UV reactive colors. I think I get what you're saying in the comparison of Illuminati to the various other colors, but they're the same thing in this context. As for brightness, Uranium is by far the brightest currently being used, but there are other chemicals that are just as bright is someone's willing to pay $500 a pound for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by daveabr
word. Good thread, I guess its all about how much you value that reaction. I want to try some glow in the dark stuff next time I can buy some fun glass.
I have had issues with glow in the dark stuff. I always seem to burn out the glow material. The bars are shocky but I have had a little luck with them. I have had zero luck with the powder. Also shocky and way easy to burn up.
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Although glow glass does look diff in uv light they are talking about Lucy not boro bars glow or the old glow powder .
Lots of folks burn it out don't feel bad .
Same with dichroic some just make it look like ciggy ashes .
Your working the glass to hot
Well.... Guess whats getting sent with my Hammer!?!?! A Few shorts of Lucy for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuzz
I haven't used the Lucy yet, I am not cool enough to ride the hype train. But as for glow, try Jason's! http://www.3dlimited.com/boroglow-glass-powder-frit/
I snagged some and feel it works well. I just coiled some up and it is quite bright under uv. To make it go further I cup stuffed a glob into a 5" blank of 44mm heavy, It still glows as bright when used in that application. one thing I noticed that is different about this over illuminati is this works very similar to clear. I could hardly ever get my hand torch on illuminati over fine welds in fear of boiling the glass. I find the Lucy to feel slightly stiffer than clear, and never have any issues with boiling with clean rods.
Fabegg carbcap for reference, this is straight Lucy.
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thats under a uv flashlight, whic is my exact argument on it not popping enough for the hype (not lucy in particular, but non-uranium UV in general). I always think about making shit that I can sell, and I don't know any shop owners with more than a standard black light in their shop. In a standard black light, it just shows a little bit of pink tint. I think if someone brought that home and discovered they had to shine a UV flashlight on it to make it vibrant, they would be hella pissed that they payed extra. Just my opinion.
I picked up some glow powder in a trade and I been raping Facebook people that love it. 30$ for a frit spoon and they begging me for em. Sold 4 in last two days. People down here in SO ILL love glow in dark but UV is totally unwanted because nobody would ever see it. Nobody has the lights.
I enjoy Lucy, Yes it may be a bit weaker of a glow than Electric Flamingo in a UV flashlight... but have you ever put the new batches of Electric Flamingo under tube lighting? you get almost NO glow! Lucy covers both light spectrums and I really like that! Plus a love it so much more that this isn't a gimmicky/"Rev33"/Drop it when we want to color, Its going to be a full production color and will be stocked up just like Illuminati is everywhere now, I cant wait for that!
and on the subject of "glow glass"...
Imma let ya'll finish but... Bohica a.k.a Original Glow a.k.a BoroGlow a.k.a The Baddest Mofo in the Glow industry sells the best "Glow" of all time!(Kanye reference)
I reallly love mixing the Blue with aqua azul frit... no one even knows its glows until its dark in the room!
I must have the old flamingo. When i make tubing out of rod with it and no clear it is amazingly bright UV effect.
From what I have read about optics and human perception of light: humans perceive green light better than any other wavelength. This is one of the reasons it is commonly used for weapon sights and allows for dim yet clear instrumentation in cars and other vehicles. I think UV green will probably always glow brighter than any other color because of this. Even if their light emission is exactly same the green will appear to the eye to be much brighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greymatter Glass
What are the other chemicals that will be brighter and cost $500/lb?
I think what skuzz is trying to talk about ...and possibly not fully understanding while doing so ..is the lemon drop cad based colors .. (Orange sunshine barrels ) or what ever the other guys lemon crush maybe ..? Any way those colors don't transmit uv light ... They reflect it .. I think other colors actually transmit the light and are more uv reactive
nope, I know fully what I am saying. I have some lemon drop for comparison, and It has the same uv reaction as the lucy that I have.
but the lemon drop has more effect. I have 6 different things to compare I believe, and they all have a similar weak effect, except for the illuminati and the corning of course. Disagree if you like, its not gonna make me buy any more or less of these colors. I am just reporting what I see. And as I said, I am comparing them side by side, not from memory. Its hard to argue when the stuff is all sitting on the table next to each other. Maybe it is just the batches I have gotten or something, but none of these bling hard unless you put them under a UV flashlight (uranium glass does though). And I think it is great that they have a tiny uv effect, but it does not seem worth it to pay more money, because I dont know anyone that sits around smoking with a uv flashlight as their light source. I also said in my first post that I had read and understood that there were two different types of UV reactions going on.
chinese strike red has as much uv effect as lucy
None of these colors reflect or refract UV light in any why that matters. They are UV reactive because they absorb UV light and then emit a different wavelength of light. All that we care about is the light emission. There are only two types that matter with glass florescence and phosphorescence. Florescence is glass that absorbs one wavelength and emits another as long as it is receiving energy (most UV glass). Phosphorescence can absorb one wavelength then emit another even after the light source has been removed (glow in the dark).Quote:
Originally Posted by D. dino i ninjah
People need to get words like reflect and refract out of the UV conversation. Transmit can be useful as some transparent UV glass will allow the UV to propagate further into the glass than other UV glass. Last batch Atomic Kumquat while very clear had very short UV transmission/propagation. If you had a US light source at one end only the first few inches would glow, while an entire rod of Electric Flamingo would glow right next to it.
sorry to resurrect the thread, but i just had this conversation with a supplier over some lucy i'd ordered. here are some comparisons, i was told that this is typical.
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these comparisons were done under a warm white fluorescent ring and a proper 400nm, 15w 200ma CF blacklight. it does this to illuminati:
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and for the record, this is the sales pic from the supplier, who informed me that it was northstar's "official" sales pic:
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notice any difference?
i use NS glass almost every day, they make some of my favorite colors. this is very disappointing though... either this batch is off, that photograph has been shopped, or NS is shooting under high-powered UV inspection lights, which you're not ever going to find in a domestic setting without a pile of safety glasses. soo, i get to ship this stuff back for credit. wee.
ed: i'm not sure why the first image is posting as a link.
ya my lucy i got seems weak too in a regular blacklight thzat works amazing on illuminati. I heard an led style uv simulated flashlight works great for lucy though, if i understood correctly. there is some kind of led flashlight uv mod with bits of different colored clear tape.
i'm not surprised that it's possible to get this glass to fluoresce, but i wish NS would describe such a method in its sales materials, because when i think about "UV reactive" glass, i'm assuming we're talking about reactive under the ubiquitous 400nm fluoro tube, because that's what you're going to find in shop cases, nightclubs, and in a ton of homes.
I've heard working it in a reducing environment helps it to glow more. I have no idea if that's true, just something I read somewhere. It could be true I suppose. I've used it before and wasn't happy with the glow and when I used it again later it seemed to glow more. I couldn't tell you if the flame chemistry made a difference just because I don't remember what kinda flame I was using the first time around. Or the second to be honest hahah I need to pay more attention.Quote:
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Sorry to come in late on this convo, but I find that my old tube bulb uv light maked both uranium and others glow brighter than my uv flashlight I use at the bench to decifer uv from others, also with taking pictures this is especially true. My flamingo batches all 3 are weaker than the lucy in both type uv lights and definitely have more air content. Im using first quality of both as well and not sure if a reduced flame will help the lucy like the washed out cads like mixing acid yellow down w clear or using crush type colors from Rob Davis ot or others that seem to sometimes react better worked in fuel rich flames. My multiple orders of lucy have reacted brighter by at least a small amount than the flamingo or atomic kumquat. Just to be clear the round regular old bulb type uv lights dont work at all so don't waste your time! Ive also been using uranium Boro for many years anf nothing will react as bright as the green.
I have hand picked from large batches.... It IS all over the place glow wise.
Similar to the first run of flamingo.
n.s. is probably still fighting the learning curve. If you got a really sub par batch I would contact north star. (In a nice, adult, professional manor.)
They want your business. Not to mention they will most likely give you the cream of the crop replacement.