The jury has filed a verdict.
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The jury has filed a verdict.
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Yay!!!
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Truth wins over BS again.
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Fair enough! Congratulations Scott. :D
I'm glad they can compete, this will bring prices into a reasonable level.
Both can continue doing business and try and build the best systems at the best prices.
I'm pretty sure none of them are making the big bucks with a 3rd house , jet boat and aircraft. They are working hard to make a living.
Id hope they both can keep the doors open and live decently though.
That's good. I'm glad.
Low tide saves the day.
+1000
Rep that guy!
http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showt...tem&highlight=
Actually , if it was not for Talkglass.com , he may have never posted. I love this place.
Word on the street is ..my post on hillbilly oxygen generators from 06 played a big role in this thing also .. toot toot ..and the forum its self . Kinda the open sharing here ...before the patent shows .. that the knowlege he tried to patent was already circulating in the glass comunity ..
So yea rep talkglass ..even if it is overly moderated and i cant post in higher learning ..
sweet deal!!!
I linked to that hillbilly style because it seemed obvious to me.
ha I was watching a torchtalk skimming through it for the demos, and I am in the tub watching a cane demo, and it turns out the the girl in here repping HVO is mike masons girlfriend. I have got to get me a sock back in torchtalk so I can lurk in there. +1 clint for being able to contribute
This compressor seems cool but it’s all really expensive. Too bad they had a court battle because people are sew crazy.
I’m personally happy with my Beth bravo running straight on oxygen generators.
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This is such a hard topic because both of them are as nice to their customers as each other. Especially calx ann, she has nothing to do with any of this and is a very nice person, nicer then myself possibly. So i dont see what the point of blowing up her social life along with someone who has done nothing but helped you and asked for nothing in return. In reality wal-mart destroyed every business in america with forign slave labor and where do we all go get our grocerys. You see what im saying here? As for product h.v.o wins and ive owned both. Just keepn it 100.
Seriously, don't make things personal guys. Keep it respectful and professional please.
why is the HVO system better in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparko
Hey all,
I have been MIA for some time now but wanted to stop in and say hi.
This has been a very stressful process for all involved , but I am very pleased with the jury's decision.
The facts speak volumes and it is a great feeling when the truth prevails.
Cheers!
I have some good stuff in the works and look forward to reconnecting with you all in the near future.
Misfitman- Well since you asked... The oxy frog i had never even worked. He uses hose clamps for his high pressure lines inside the machine, pressures rated too high for hose clamps as indicated by the manufacuter of the hose clamps. Frog asked me to go to auto zone and get fancy hose clamps, those blew too as they are not rated high enouf either. Every time you want to service the inside of the unit there is a mess of wires and connections everywhere that makes you likely to do more harm then good trying to fix anything. Not to mention getting in there to begin with is a nearly impossible game of "shimmy shimmy", sorry best way i could describe it lol. I never got to even use it. When i talked to the guy who sells his refub concentrators he said "wow, hes still having that problem? I thought he fixed that". Frog acted like this was the first time this happend.......
As for hvo i never had 1 damn problem the whole time. And if i did it would be easy to just pop the top open and take a look. I came back from a surgery this summer and my hvo was acting funny and turning off when it shouldnt, not turning on concentrators, ect. I was pissed because all they could tell me was its not the machine and theyd chip in for me to get an electritian because they thought i had it wirerd wrong to the breaker. After telling them i have everything plugged in and wired right for the 100th time i preaty much screamed at them and sent it back. They were nice the whole time and even replaced something inside for me but said again....nothing is wrong and its my electric. I do my own electric so i knew it was fine and replaced the outlets...still broke..Then, i changed the breaker and BOOM everythings fine. Do i wish they told me to change the breaker from the jump? Yeh sure. But in reality they did everything they could do and more to get me melting again. No hiccups since.
As for lowtide's situation threw this whole ordeal hes the one i feel the most sorry for, all he was trying to do was help the community and he almost ended up in high tide, no pun intended and i think he deserves an apology from you know who.
Thanks for the input!
my home built unit is still pumping strong to the people i sold it to, been almost 4 years.
sparko your comment is the reason i've tried to tell everyone to build their own system.
You need to be familiar with it when it needs maintenance.
Just like a car you need to change the oil and fluids, put gas in ect...
If you can't do those things, imo you shouldn't be driving.
Cons to pressure relief valve set to 2 psi .... to compressor. To holding tank to regulator its really that easy people make it more complicated than it needs to be imo with all the control boxes ..
^i did the same, except each con had a relief valve and the compressor had one on the inlet also.
only did that because with one it was still kicking off the weakest link.
after adding the extras, no issues.
not sure what the rating on the plastic oneway valves i used, but it was very low. Ones i used were from inside old/broken concentrators.
I dont think it will be long untill everyone is just making there own systems. Someone will post an in depth video or thread sooner or later, its only a matter of time im sure. Mtn glass and abr will probably even sell the parts in kits, kinda like how they do with enails on some websites. Just a prediction.
bro, there have been threads and people making their own for like ten years or more
People were making their own and teaching each other how long before these businesses got started. That's the entire point of the court ruling we're talking about here (see original post).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparko
I don't want to make my own. But I also don't want to be sued if I decided to, or watch anyone else be sued for sharing info on how to do so. We have been for a long time before either of these companies came along.
Fortunately, setting up your own DIY HVLP system isn’t any more complicated than hooking up your torch and foot pedal. It’s all just screw fittings, hoses and hose clamps.
yea once people realize how easy it is to set one of these up .. there are going to be a lot of people who feel really dumb for paying thousands of dollars for a syestem that should cost 1000.00 at most ..
Wonder if any of you seen this one. Pretty ghetto, that plastic tote with a plastic bag and a switch, [emoji38] interesting.. Hope you guys enjoy.
https://youtu.be/AOmxpgXQ3VA
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Originally Posted by Snow Diesel
Its craptastic and ghettorific!
Pretty good job for a wookie. It shows how simple it is when you break it all down into basic steps.
Have been running oxyfrog since March 2016 and aside from some startup issues with the control box, this thing has not had a hiccup in all that time. The issues had to do with undersized wiring for the size of the system (5 concentrators, plus the compressor). I kept burning out the thermal resets over and over. Replaced the connecting wires with a new wiring harness and have not had any issues in 2 years. So I am pretty happy with the system. I also looked hard and long at HVO during the process and the decision was not an easy one.
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Damn i didnt know there was a a-z tek written up on here. Go ahead and throw a link and up SWIM. Lets get it sticky'd. Untill i see that im like w.e if you say so. I know theres been threads but you think a good one, a complete one, would be stickyd.
Would it be dickish of me to say, "I told you so"? Oh well, I'll take that chance. ;)
Not really, when your not proving anything anyway. I said a thread with a a-z tek (from the original poster, duh), not one of the thousand "how do i do it threads" with random responses from the usual suspects. lmfao
The point of my post obviously went completely over your head, Sparko. I wasn't responding to you at all. In fact, it may surprise you to know that I actually pretty much agree with what you posted immediately before me.
If you'd like to know what my post was actually referring to, try clicking the link in it. That may give you a clue.
Oh ok, cool. I was like wtf? thats not a a-z tek thread. I got you. I think alot of people realize that oxygen is the missing link for most people to either be blowing glass, or not. So no ones really ready to give up the goods, in fear of a further rise in competition.
In the conversation of HVO vs. Oxyfrog....I've recently seen Scott from OxyFrog talking about his Active Compression Control (ACC). It seems like a really cool thing that would be a pain in the ass to program. I'm thinking HVO doesn't have anything like that in their system....wouldn't this give an OxygenFrog a clear advantage over HVO?
no. it was discussed here a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.P0rn
personally i came to the conclusion that it is just an adjustable check-valve.
the digital pressure control unit used doesn't support that type of programming.
if hvo setup there system right i think the brain in that setup would actually support actual programming.
not really saying one would work better or not.
just kinda like analog vs digital imo
more than one way to skin a cat and i'm sure both have there pro's and cons.
i'm more of an analog type
Have you seen the episode of torch talk with the oxygen frog guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mute
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I disagree, I've been pretty sure for a while the active compression control is just a small 1/2 hp or 1hp Variable frequency drive like the ones Wolf Automation sells. Scott always cleverly dodges my comments when I mention VFD's. All that would have to be done is adjust the VFD based on pressure/vacuum in the concentrator line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mute
HVO seems to think they are not needed, and they certainly get good results without it. I'm with mute, an adjustable check valve does the same thing and analog is always more dependable.