5" hole, not 5'; be like standing in front of the sun
I don't know either way, but if you already have a roller style yoke you might be able to swap out the business end of the notched one.
Sounds like you'll be having fun this holiday
I've got a good thing coming up in Christmas blowing glass at the local botanical garden during the Christmas weekends. I already have a nice crucible kiln and only really plan on using this for pattern bars and maybe paperweights and of course Christmas tree ornaments. Here are the two units I'm looking at:
http://www.glassobsessions.com/SSGH/default.htm ($630 shipped)
http://www.fusionheadquarters.com/Pa...irebucket.html ($785 shipped)
Both use the same burners / blower .... both have a 5' hole ..... the only difference that I see is the yoke they include ... one is a notch , the other has some rollers. One is deeper per the specs. Seems both, for around $20 bucks lets you change out the liner and both run about 45hrs on a single bbq tank.
Anyone use either of these units? Mind giving a quick review for me. I don't want to waste or spend money that could go into something different but I'm thinking and leaning towards the Murphy only because they've been in business for over 20 years and the owners anserwed all my questions and look like they'll be around for another 20yrs .... soooooo , hoping to get some good advice and tyvm in advance.
~ Temet Nosce ~
5" hole, not 5'; be like standing in front of the sun
I don't know either way, but if you already have a roller style yoke you might be able to swap out the business end of the notched one.
Sounds like you'll be having fun this holiday
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around, and desert you.
Have you considered building one yourself. I'd guess for 200 you could build something a little bigger and a little nicer.
Ask both dealers how much for a new burner system. Buy that and stick it in a coffe can.
Just a thought.
Btw don't buy the 45 hour deal per tank. I'm sure that is based on the smallest flame and with no door even that small it will need a good bit of propane to run hot.
I've played with the Don McKinney version, and one of the guys in my shop has a lot of time on it, they're decent for what they are and the owner says it's every bit as hot as the murphys.
That said, it's a nice hole for making small things, but once you blow something out or open even a very small vessel you can't go back in. the hole may be 6", but figure 4" working diameter or you'll just get frax fibers on everything.
Still, I agree you could make one for about $200-300 depending on what kind of burner you make/buy, and your metal working skills. It's like a one day project.
Doug Harroun
Greymatter Glass
Albuquerque, NM
(505) 884-0318
A̿̐͒ͥ̏̅͋ͤͮ́́̒͢͏̨͙̩̦͔̫̠̲̤ͅ ̑ͨ̎͆͐̉̍̐ͤͮͨ͐̇ͩͦ̏ͣ̚͏̷̶̭̝̠͓̞̱̭̫͙̜̮̫͔̤̱͕͢b̓̓ͭ̿̓ͥ̐̒͂͂ͧ ̡̓͋̐ͥ҉̧̹͎̺̳̩̬̘̯̮̜̼̻͝ͅē̵̹̯̦̟͔͊̓̔͗͊̀͆͗̀ͭͭ̀̇͋͋ͩ̓̓͞͞͞ ̘̰̘͈a̧̹͙͇̫̲̻̳̦̦͛͑͂̌̊́̌̂̅ͤ̿͠ͅų̷̶̡̺̤̳͐̂ͣ̋̀ͅͅt̍̀͋̽͗̚ ̶͎͎̳̤͈̘̞͕̣̲̣̼͙͎̬̪̜͎̯ͤ̃̈́ͬͧ͒͟͞͝͡iͪ̋̌̄̎ͪ́̚҉̶̰͎̣̥͉̙̘̬͝ ͍͈̻̻f̡̟̤̥̝̞̈̋ͧͮ̂ͣͬͨ͆͊̌̇ͨ̚͠͞u̵ͥͦ̑ͧ̆͂͐̊̏̍̋̓͗ͭͫ͆́̃͊͘̕ ̛̱̳͓̠͖̕ḹ̢̧̦̬̲̟̳̉ͯͫ̊̏ͪͫ͝ͅ ̵̺̫͙̗̦̠̯̞̫̪̩͐ͭͮ̏̓͒̏͊͋̚̚͘ͅḧ̨̛̭̼̘ͤͥ̿ͫ̊ͦͧͮͮ̀̓̔͌̉̓̀̀͡ ̺͚e̷̦̤̘̯͎̜͇͚͔̱̙͖ͪ͛ͤͮͬ͆͆̾̾͂̑͆̓͜ȧ̴̋ͨ͂ͣͬ̓̆͐̾̿̐̃̒͊͌́͝ ̷͇̮̙̗͉͍r̵̜̰̣̫͙̦̻̖͕͎̘̲̗̘ͦ̋̑̀̌̎̓ͭ̚͞tͨ̅̇͛ͫͫ̆ͪ̌͋ͩ̉ͯ͊͌̌ ̴̨̢̭͚̳̦͖̻̮̬̣̮̟͓͉̪͈̍ ̷̷̫̬͈͓̞͈̞̬̹̟̯͚̹͇̩̏͋ͬ̍͛̎̑̄̽ͦ̆̔̈́̀͆ͩ̓
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Thnx very much for the advice all ... I saw a book called Glass Notes .... might have to buy that and look into making one, I'm hearing "make one yourself" a lot and even tho I don't know how to work metal I have a friend that does it everyday ... I just figured for the cost it would pay for itself real fast and if needed I could build one with a 8-10 inch hole. Thnx again vm!
~ Temet Nosce ~
Consider building one without loose frax inside. These are a nightmare for your lungs. A bag of greencast refractory would be great or if you have access to a tile saw line it with fire brick. If you do decide to build one, make it a bit larger as well. These are pretty limited and a few extra inches in depth and diameter would allow you to do quite a bit more with it. Joppa Glassworks at http://www.joppaglass.com/ has some great mini ceramic burner heads for sale and lots of great info on burner systems, kilns, and controllers.
There are those directions up on instructables and youtube showing how to build DIY aluminum melters. You might be able to use one of those methods.
On the other hand, since you're around other people, on third party grounds, the value of a tested design will help cover your ass legally should it go badly for some reason.
They're right about the inside dimensions, even with a yoke you'd have to be dead precise not to tag the sides.
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around, and desert you.
Other than cutting angle iron and such, you really do not have to do any metalwork. Use the angle iron with pre drilled holes and brackets and you can build anything you want. We have it available at our home despot. If you go with a steel bucket to build in you will have to cut a hole for the burner but it doesnt have to be pretty Glass Notes has everything you need to fab one yourself. Great book for anyone running a shop. Pay close attention to the sections on health and safety.
Xcellent, tyvm for all the advice. I am going to get the Glass Notes book. I also have a kiln in the garage I think I might be able to retro into a glory. I'll post some pics and let others tell me what they think. Thnx again
~ Temet Nosce ~
Don't freak out. Same process (really hot chamber) different application.
http://www.jamesriser.com/Machinery/...paneForge.html
http://ronreil.abana.org/design1.shtml
Some concepts on building a "fire chamber" and making burners.
Elad
Get Glass Notes and Dudly's book from Joppa, both are great resources for ALL things hot glass, not just furnaces and hotshop stuff.
Doug Harroun
Greymatter Glass
Albuquerque, NM
(505) 884-0318
A̿̐͒ͥ̏̅͋ͤͮ́́̒͢͏̨͙̩̦͔̫̠̲̤ͅ ̑ͨ̎͆͐̉̍̐ͤͮͨ͐̇ͩͦ̏ͣ̚͏̷̶̭̝̠͓̞̱̭̫͙̜̮̫͔̤̱͕͢b̓̓ͭ̿̓ͥ̐̒͂͂ͧ ̡̓͋̐ͥ҉̧̹͎̺̳̩̬̘̯̮̜̼̻͝ͅē̵̹̯̦̟͔͊̓̔͗͊̀͆͗̀ͭͭ̀̇͋͋ͩ̓̓͞͞͞ ̘̰̘͈a̧̹͙͇̫̲̻̳̦̦͛͑͂̌̊́̌̂̅ͤ̿͠ͅų̷̶̡̺̤̳͐̂ͣ̋̀ͅͅt̍̀͋̽͗̚ ̶͎͎̳̤͈̘̞͕̣̲̣̼͙͎̬̪̜͎̯ͤ̃̈́ͬͧ͒͟͞͝͡iͪ̋̌̄̎ͪ́̚҉̶̰͎̣̥͉̙̘̬͝ ͍͈̻̻f̡̟̤̥̝̞̈̋ͧͮ̂ͣͬͨ͆͊̌̇ͨ̚͠͞u̵ͥͦ̑ͧ̆͂͐̊̏̍̋̓͗ͭͫ͆́̃͊͘̕ ̛̱̳͓̠͖̕ḹ̢̧̦̬̲̟̳̉ͯͫ̊̏ͪͫ͝ͅ ̵̺̫͙̗̦̠̯̞̫̪̩͐ͭͮ̏̓͒̏͊͋̚̚͘ͅḧ̨̛̭̼̘ͤͥ̿ͫ̊ͦͧͮͮ̀̓̔͌̉̓̀̀͡ ̺͚e̷̦̤̘̯͎̜͇͚͔̱̙͖ͪ͛ͤͮͬ͆͆̾̾͂̑͆̓͜ȧ̴̋ͨ͂ͣͬ̓̆͐̾̿̐̃̒͊͌́͝ ̷͇̮̙̗͉͍r̵̜̰̣̫͙̦̻̖͕͎̘̲̗̘ͦ̋̑̀̌̎̓ͭ̚͞tͨ̅̇͛ͫͫ̆ͪ̌͋ͩ̉ͯ͊͌̌ ̴̨̢̭͚̳̦͖̻̮̬̣̮̟͓͉̪͈̍ ̷̷̫̬͈͓̞͈̞̬̹̟̯͚̹͇̩̏͋ͬ̍͛̎̑̄̽ͦ̆̔̈́̀͆ͩ̓
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+1 on the glass notes book
I really feel like you could make one of those out of a 3 gal metal trash can and a roll of fiber frax... i've made 3 glory holes now, and for $200 you could make your own that much larger and nicer.
Thanks,
Andrew
That's what I'm hearing Moch ... I've got something in the works, maybe a good way to have one "pre-built" in a way. I have a skutt kiln ... older and used very little but the outside is nazty and the controller is all ganked up. I'm thinking of taking that , put it on it's side, cut it down to size and buy this: http://www.joppaglass.com/burner/min...ce%20list.html - the complete burner kit. I'm thinking/guessing I need a blower, the stand and a couple custom made parts, door, etc ..... The inside of the kiln is perfect in every way ... no chips and crap missing ... I'll plan on taking some pictures and documenting it all for anyone else who might stumble upon it should it all work out.
Thnx again, very much for all the advice, I'll post some pictures soon and share the progress.
chad
~ Temet Nosce ~
How big is the kiln? I did the same thing when I needed a big glory just for opening platters. Only problem is lack of insulation. I thought you where looking for small table top but now maybe you decided larger? Make sure to size the burner for the size of the hole. With that style burner you will want to cast a burner block all the info you need is in Dudley's book (same place as burner) it's called the glass blowers companion and worth buying. Dudley is a great guy give him a call and he will set you in the right direction.
Also burner is a high pressure aspirated type. It uses a Venturi to draw in the air and does not require a blower. If your building the size you first talked about I would go back to the low pressure with blower. Low pressure systems need less combustable space to burn all the gas.
your "blower" can literally be a hair dryer... i've used it in the past and it works really well.
Thanks,
Andrew
Yeah Somewhere it did start as a table top but after looking into the size .... it just seems that 5 in. is going to catch me quick should I really get into this ..... I got a perfect kiln out in the garage and after looking at burners / stands/ blower and what not it only seems smart to invest in going forward. I'm thinking of keeping it small so maybe I'll make two or cut the kiln in 1/2 and stow away the other section ... come to think of it , maybe retrofit the door out of it.
As soon as I can dig out the kiln from the garage, errrr, storage bin, I'm going to make some phone calls but before I cut or do anything I'll be sure to take pictures and do a "write up" as I go to help any others going down the same road. Thnx for all the suggestion, sites and help, it's very much appreciated.... more to come
~ Temet Nosce ~
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